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BitJam RMX 001 by BitFellas [web]
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release date : august 2008
release party : Evoke 2008
compo : wild demo
ranked : 1st
  • rulez 89
  • is ok 10
  • sucks 1
popularity : 1%
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  • rulez 0.88
alltime top: #604
added on the 2008-08-10 01:25:09 by Gargaj Gargaj

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Nice!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 01:27:08 by ham ham
<3
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 01:29:12 by XT95 XT95
3st
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 01:29:45 by tEiS tEiS
NAIS!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 01:30:37 by Maali Maali
Really nice!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 01:33:00 by xernobyl xernobyl
great
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 01:33:30 by Optimus Optimus
yes
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 01:41:39 by bfx bfx
The best prod from Evoke... by a huge margin! Nicely designed interface, great tunes, easy to use - love it!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 01:48:05 by Stebo Stebo
if you had the "white screens" bug, download the zip again or use the updated exe (sorry, deadline caught us)
added on the 2008-08-10 02:10:39 by Gargaj Gargaj
yo yo yo :)
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 02:15:28 by gopher gopher
lovely! <3
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 02:26:25 by xTr1m xTr1m
yup
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 02:27:13 by untitled untitled
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 04:28:43 by psenough psenough
Great stuff!! Congratz to the musicians..

I just missed some buttons like in the bitjam musicdisk for a scroll text or picture ..
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 09:01:38 by magic magic
awesome :D
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 09:31:06 by midget midget
<3 Bitfellas
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 10:54:34 by Nezbie Nezbie
yay for remixes <3
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 12:10:49 by Saga Musix Saga Musix
Great work but the mastering is all over the place, ran it through ReplayGain on all tracks, and the volumes are all over the place - would have been nice to had some mastering done to level out the volumes.

Despite that it's great! I'm sorry I couldn't finish my remix in time, Sundown planning and all...
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 12:43:14 by ruairi [rc55] ruairi [rc55]
Darn, i wish i had remixed a tune myself to be on that disc. I love the grafix and the interface! Great job!
Although there are only three tracks remixed, the musicdisc offers a vast variety of styles. I enjoyed it very much.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 12:47:18 by CONS CONS
Nice!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 13:18:12 by KF KF
Great. Sorry for not finishing my one...
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 14:33:50 by Serpent Serpent
Yay, very cool interface & nice tracks!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 14:38:45 by can can
rc55: valid point, BUT. it is a competition after all - mastering is as integral part of making a track as the composition itself, so that's something the audience also has to judge.
added on the 2008-08-10 14:43:03 by Gargaj Gargaj
great production and high quality songs :)
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 15:35:01 by prm prm
yeah!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 16:46:31 by v3nom v3nom
Great work Gargaj & H2O!. Awww so many GREAT entries in this Musiccompo!
added on the 2008-08-10 17:23:14 by Virgill Virgill
I wish there were more tracks up for remixing, but a really good production with great presentation.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 17:25:14 by Wade Wade
Yep, cool interface, atmospheric gfx and nice selection of remixes ;)
added on the 2008-08-10 17:36:46 by buzzer_ buzzer_
Awesome music!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 17:50:52 by flynn_nrg flynn_nrg
awesome stuff
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 17:53:10 by Premium Premium
i give my vote for the nice code of Gargaj and gfx from h2o!

music:

Very bad masterings between the songs! some guys really need to learn masterings and mixing between the channels. there are a lot of tunes which sounds very fugly!

Best masterin prize goes to:

01: tEiS
02: virgill
03: little bitchard
04: NE7
05: Wayfinder
06: Gargaj

all the rest: learn mastering please ! it's important and not so hard to learn how to use multiband-compressor, EQ and masterlimiter.

All in all the disc deserve a rule because of the lovely coderwork and design... (btw... i remember a bit in the design with this monitor :P... )

PS: please add forward and rewind function !

cheers.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 20:03:52 by daXX daXX
Rulez
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 20:20:26 by rbz rbz
I have tried to remaster some songs here. Some of them weren't easy to master and it's no outstanding quality now, but a little bit better as before.

grab them here - download -
added on the 2008-08-10 20:22:26 by daXX daXX

daxx, i agree some of the tracks don't sound so good. however, you are very wrong if you think mastering could save these tracks. you _cannot_ save a mix with a master. it is the channel mixing that needs to be better.. specially EQ'ing as some of the tracks bleed frequencies all over the place.

anyhow, very very nice disk! thumbs up :)
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 20:27:29 by xrs xrs
xrs:

Quote:
some guys really need to learn masterings and mixing between the channels


and btw.. with a right mastering hardware (not software) it is possible to "remix" such tunes... but such hardware cost to much to use it private...
added on the 2008-08-10 20:31:30 by daXX daXX
The interface is really cool, thumb up for that alone. Will listen to the tunes later.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 20:57:56 by Alpha C Alpha C
Nice disk - havn't heard all the tunes, yet, but as daXX stated abouve a ffwd/rwd feature (or a timebar) would be much appreciated!
When it comes to mastering.... well, sure I no mastering expert myself, but since this is remix competetion, I guess people made their tracks as they wanted them to be, and as good as they could regarding mastering - this is not a profesional album :) - and regarding mastering I can only say "what xerxes said" :)
Ah.. and then it crashed while writing this (windowed mode) and my dualmode monitor setup (2 x 1680x1050) also makes the fullscreen version display wrong (the content is displayed too much to the right)
Writing too much - this is a nice disk! :D
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 21:08:41 by Puryx Puryx
doesn't work on this box because of lacking d3dx dll... bit of a letdown after a 150mb download, imho. the thumb will be yours, but not until this is fixed.
added on the 2008-08-10 21:11:33 by havoc havoc
oh SHIT i knew i forgot something.
in a sec.
added on the 2008-08-10 21:12:06 by Gargaj Gargaj
the zip was updated, and you can get the dll from here or get the entire pack (with ALL the dlls) from microsoft here
added on the 2008-08-10 21:16:46 by Gargaj Gargaj
ok now it deserves the thumb without a doubt :-)
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 22:10:17 by havoc havoc
daxx, rc55. its just a competition.. Some tracks are mastered well, some worse. It´s no "high end" production. No tracks were preselected. Leave your vote at www.bitfellas.org to reflect your opinion ;)
Daxx, thx for putting me on nr#2 on your mastering list. But I don´t deserve it. Mastering is done in only 10 minutes.. (I´m a preset whore, but I gonna keep my secrets..)
added on the 2008-08-10 22:17:33 by Virgill Virgill
Looks cool, but it crashed here after 3 minutes in window mode (not having a dual monitor setup)..
added on the 2008-08-10 23:12:17 by air2k air2k
virgill: then you deserve it, because you know, how your channels must be mixed well to get a good result. :P
added on the 2008-08-10 23:47:20 by daXX daXX
BitFellas are doing what ZINE did for the diskmag scene. Another awesome sounding and looking (!) music disk!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-10 23:56:51 by Bobic Bobic
LOVE!!!

Any covers, please?
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 00:02:39 by r13 r13
@daxx: well, I had a listen to your remaster of my track, and I must say that I'd send it back if I had received it from a mastering house. You basically mashed the levels to smithereens, and the result is a squashed mix and enough treble to make ears bleed.

While I will not argue that my mixdown is questionable, I did not try to make a modern day <-1db RMS mixdown. I did test several settings for the master bus, and decided against going for a "loud" mixdown as I don't think it fits the track. Also, I in general prefer to not compete in the loudness wars, as I want to leave to the listener to decide how loud they want to hear a track.

You should remember that it's the artist who should decide what kind of sound he wants, not the mastering engineer.


Now I'm looking forward to hearing the other tracks. Big ups to all who contributed to the compo/musicdisk \o/
added on the 2008-08-11 00:03:36 by lug00ber lug00ber
very well said lug00ber, i agree 100% with all of that!

cheers:)
added on the 2008-08-11 01:55:59 by xrs xrs
I have no clue what bittin was smoking but the rest of the tracks are real sweet (at least the ones I've heard so far). Unfortunally I cant get the app to run but the music is worth it anyway.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 03:31:20 by thec thec
lug00ber .. yes your song was'nt easy to remaster and i never said,that i am professional in mastering... but let's give it a try and send me your channels alone to find out if it is possible to get a better result? ;)
added on the 2008-08-11 03:39:58 by daXX daXX
ah and btw... you're right.. the artist should decide about the tune. but for a compiled musicdisc should it be possible to set all songs on a similar volumelevel or?
added on the 2008-08-11 03:43:46 by daXX daXX
@daxx: I agree, but that is the label's (in this case bitfellas) decision/problem/fault ;) Actually, Little Bitchard did mastering for the Variform remixdisk himself, iirc. Probably for that exact reason :)

I'll see what I can do about the channels (gonna be a fucking big download though :D).
added on the 2008-08-11 08:56:52 by lug00ber lug00ber
right on, great
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 09:46:06 by Warhead Warhead
great
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 09:55:40 by Sir Sir
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 10:06:00 by xeNusion xeNusion
lug00ber, daXX: again, the point was that mastering is also an aspect voters have to take into account when deciding which track was the best :)
added on the 2008-08-11 10:14:48 by Gargaj Gargaj
I agree totally to gargaj, because its a competition, and if tracks might have been bad mastered, its part of the entry´s quality ...

This production does play the entries as we recieved them, i guess if someone had touched the others work ( e.g. for mastering ) it might not be fair for the competition.
added on the 2008-08-11 11:37:30 by _H2o_ _H2o_
totally made my morning!

imho mastering is quite a subjective matter from a minimum level.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 11:51:44 by Zest Zest
Nice musicdisk :) And yay for the piano keys that are shaped like the atari logo! :D Made me laugh ;p
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 12:59:07 by Zeila Zeila
rules
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 13:00:57 by s0r s0r
great!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 14:56:33 by wiseman wiseman
i didnt here mastering glitches on the evoke pa.. all songs played sounded very tight and where soundtechnically above the most productions before. but could be that only the tunes where played which are mentioned to be mastered quite well. Some songs really blew me away and I totally dig the clean design. so all in all some of the nicest evoke entry.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 16:32:31 by mad mad
it's as easy as 1,2,3. if you write your song, or draw your picture and do no polishing to it, it won't be as good as if you write your song , draw your picture, code your program and do some fine mastering, some decent touching or some tight optimizations.

all in all, if you think your product is as good as you think it is, it's ok but if you know you can dig out some more of it, whynot do so?

i can upload my song totally unmastered, you'll be amazed how much i took out of my song just due to mastering..

anyways, all songs are nice, just some would even sound nicer with a decent mastering / channelmixing/mastering.

h2o made a damn lovely interface, gargaj some decent code (forward/backward and skipping would've been creme de la creme :D )..

i love it!! ..
added on the 2008-08-11 16:40:22 by tEiS tEiS
<--------------------- ACTUAL SIZE --------------------->
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 17:02:15 by TomS4wy3R TomS4wy3R
seeking in tracks was intentionally left out because we wanted the voters to listen to the songs all the way, not just judge the productions from 5 seconds snippets in the middle. :)
added on the 2008-08-11 17:02:40 by Gargaj Gargaj
I see someone has already commented on the seek-feature, and it has been explained why it was left out.
However, instead of listening to all tunes all the way through my thought process went like this:
"OK, now I've listened for 30 seconds to this track and I'm not liking it. Maybe if I skip ahead a minute it picks up? Oh.. No skip-feature? Guess I quit the musicdisk and play the mp3's with VLC instead then..."
Which is a shame, because the interface was really slick and professional looking. I would have liked some more info on the song playing though (total time etc.)
Still a nice prod.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 23:29:49 by Sdw Sdw
Awsome! I love musicdisks.
More of this in the future.

XNI for the win ;)
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 23:37:11 by tFt tFt
Brilliant interface, nice and effective, some cool songs.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-11 23:46:53 by Zplex Zplex
Cool music disk !!
+ what lug00ber said. DaXX, I understand some songs don't sound how you like, but what you did on Lizard's track should be punished by law :)
rulezadded on the 2008-08-12 02:38:23 by Moby Moby
Moby: Whats wrong with Lizard's Track?
added on the 2008-08-12 05:45:07 by daXX daXX
@Daxx and everyone else who are interested:
Full pack with multichannel render of my remix:
http://lug00ber.m0f0.net/hyperbased.rar

The premaster version of the remix:
http://lug00ber.m0f0.net/hyperbased-premaster.rar


Enjoy :D
added on the 2008-08-12 09:12:17 by lug00ber lug00ber
I liked the intro, too...
rulezadded on the 2008-08-12 10:00:05 by chromag chromag
Daxx : there's nothing wrong with Lizard's track per se. But you boosted the trebles so much that the tunes is impossible to listen to at high volume, plus you applied a really heavy compression that make it pump far too much. This sounds like my first attempts at mastering, that's why I can spot the flaws ;)
added on the 2008-08-12 15:24:16 by Moby Moby
awesome!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-12 17:22:25 by C-jeff C-jeff
Great
rulezadded on the 2008-08-12 18:03:08 by Buckethead Buckethead
Well this is a damn good prod. it was also tested by me on scene and non-scene related ears and all proved it for very-good.

a pure thumb up, nothing more to say as - respect to all corresponding sound wizzards !
rulezadded on the 2008-08-12 18:43:29 by AMI_TRS AMI_TRS
Moby: right. some songs weren't possible for me to remaster. it can be that i've added to much trebles high freq. but i remember at Lizard's Track, Reverb on a bassdrum for a trancetrack? Excuse me please, but we have 2008, feel free, contact him and maybe he follow the very cool action of lug00ber and submit all his channels to have a mastering session on it... I think it could be a nice hype for all the Scenemusicans, including myself, to test a bit in mastering / channelmixing on other composer's tunes.

Don't be mad please. It's not a critic against the musican's remixes. I like all the remixes. i just was shocked after listening track 01 and then track 02 which was 2 or 3 times louder than other tracks, giving me a headache.

btw. I never said that i'm mastering pro. I just want to show that's maybe possible to have a little bit better result, even when some songs aren't match now.
added on the 2008-08-12 19:46:31 by daXX daXX
this morning i woke up and immediatly had a hyperbased sound in my head... guess why? :) some really great remixes!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-12 20:16:34 by fiveofive fiveofive
And once again i didn't make it in time. :(
rulezadded on the 2008-08-12 20:31:06 by rpfr rpfr
really, a nice musicdisk I love it !
rulezadded on the 2008-08-12 21:57:25 by astaroth / trsi astaroth / trsi
Some excellent music!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-12 23:41:10 by Sahkolihaa Sahkolihaa
great stuff, congrats!

daxx - who gives a fuck?
rulezadded on the 2008-08-13 12:07:02 by teo teo
Very nice intro and interface. And some nice remixes as well...
rulezadded on the 2008-08-13 17:18:10 by Mystra Mystra
teeee-ooooooooo! ;)
added on the 2008-08-13 17:34:56 by chromag chromag
nice prod.
3d gfx are working great and
the radio-style intro is also kinda kool.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-14 00:05:56 by xni xni
This is fucking quality!! and actually. listened to daxx "fixes" too... they sounds worse than the originals. "loudness" is not the same as quality daxx ;)

Anyway. BIG thumbs up to you all. Great remixes. Now I am off to vote. lots of 5s here.

allmost forgot ;) the musicdisk interface looks ace too :)
rulezadded on the 2008-08-14 19:57:29 by Prot-DHS Prot-DHS
awsum
rulezadded on the 2008-08-14 23:02:41 by Misthema Misthema
rulezadded on the 2008-08-14 23:07:06 by 4kum4 4kum4
Proteque: with spending more time in it, it could be a better result. but i don't have the time to remaster all tracks and some of them was'nt possible to remaster because i didn't had the channels..

and sorry, i can not agree with you. loudness is an important part nowadays.

take a look into lug00bers bbs-thread... there are 3 remixings/masterings... maybe you'll find a mixup which is ok for you :)
added on the 2008-08-15 10:57:08 by daXX daXX
Quote:
and sorry, i can not agree with you. loudness is an important part nowadays.

Well, what he in fact said was that "loudness is not the same as quality", which I hope you agree to. While it is important to have properly normalized tracks over an entire album (under normal release, not in a music disc such as this), focusing solely on getting the gain as high as possible has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of an audio mastering.
added on the 2008-08-15 10:59:52 by gloom gloom
gr8 zax, gr8 zakdisc
rulezadded on the 2008-08-15 11:57:59 by pasy pasy
gloom: that's the reason, why this disc got my thumb up.
added on the 2008-08-15 21:12:39 by daXX daXX
Voting is opened!
on www.bitfellas.org
added on the 2008-08-16 11:39:20 by Virgill Virgill
nice
added on the 2008-08-16 15:11:17 by zefyros zefyros
Awesome piece of art. Cheers for that.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-16 16:05:22 by iks iks
What Gargaj coded!
+for all the great music
rulezadded on the 2008-08-18 14:27:49 by pohar pohar
very nice!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-18 21:00:37 by ghandy ghandy
Yeah.. This Disk rules.. I love the songs from Wayfinder, Buzzer and Virgill.. Massive :D I feel totally blown away now :)
rulezadded on the 2008-08-20 00:06:01 by SaphirJD SaphirJD
This is great, more prods like this thx.
rulezadded on the 2008-08-21 09:09:31 by bugsy bugsy
Really great- Very slick and modern. Great to see that musicdisks still prove to be valuable addition to the demoscene releases. I love the opening with the frequency-searching. And most of all, awesome remixes. To feature the songs in a musicdisk is an additional incentive for people to participate. Very good idea. Keep em coming, gentlemen! More, more. :-)
rulezadded on the 2008-08-21 12:53:38 by Axel Axel
I am really glad I managed to submit and take part of this great production!

Nice songs, all!

daxx, love you too :)
rulezadded on the 2008-08-22 08:08:30 by LizardTBL LizardTBL
btw, you guys should update the nfo file. It says Lizardking in there ;)
added on the 2008-08-22 11:58:59 by Axel Axel
Congrats to everybody involved
rulezadded on the 2008-08-22 12:27:33 by keops keops
all in all a perfect music prod! some are good, other not my cup of tea.

WAYFINDER_firefox & tip - hyperbased (wayfinder's enigmatic remix).mp3 RULEZ !!!!!!
rulezadded on the 2008-08-22 20:24:29 by Pit Pit
cant´t hardly wait for the next rmx compo. this was great stuff. suggestions for the next one? i would like to hear the fr025 track remixed in any way. but my guess is that there won´t be a remix that I would actually like more than the original. oh, btw: same for this prod. originals ruled more. but there were 2 tracks I gave 5 points for anyway. :) thank you, this prod is awesome.
added on the 2008-08-23 21:51:54 by Sir Sir
I like three songs on it. I only listened to OGGs and MP3s.
added on the 2008-08-24 02:56:29 by AntDude AntDude
cool tracks from the usual suspects
rulezadded on the 2008-08-25 16:35:39 by mueslee mueslee
great prod and remix zik!!! a pleasure for my ears :)
rulezadded on the 2008-08-28 10:30:56 by s!Nk s!Nk
Wonderful interface, and some great remixes!
Hope to see more of these
rulezadded on the 2008-09-01 12:26:21 by Zhent Zhent
rulez big time
rulezadded on the 2008-09-01 12:29:39 by blz blz
"Overload" by Tip & MTX is the nex logical step to RMX. "Synergy" by Bitarts, or Elimination by LK =) Suitable for remixes.
added on the 2008-09-03 22:32:54 by bugsy bugsy
Great job Gargaj, H2o and Brainbox, and ofcourse all the musicians who competed, thankyou for entering you made it special.

I thump up because i was only on the compo team, not invloved in this production.

Bugsy: we already have a very nice shortlist of some cool tracks for another compo, your suggestions will be noted though :)
rulezadded on the 2008-09-03 22:36:16 by keito keito
Great
rulezadded on the 2008-09-04 11:16:33 by Maissi Maissi
Great
rulezadded on the 2008-09-24 18:21:26 by #535 #535
to all musicans thats not me :P
rulezadded on the 2008-10-10 09:48:23 by Queen bittin Queen bittin
wow, very cool music disc. that's quality. thx gargaj!
rulezadded on the 2008-11-23 17:37:02 by anvil's earwax anvil's earwax
Is it any wonder this placed #1 ? =)
rulezadded on the 2009-01-09 01:24:11 by T$ T$
Nice interface :)

I was really sorry that compo wasn't prized, anyway :(
rulezadded on the 2009-03-22 23:30:09 by SoDa7 SoDa7
Great interface, but tunes are just awesome!
rulezadded on the 2009-04-07 11:21:49 by aizen aizen
aizen is totally right... thumb!
rulezadded on the 2009-04-08 12:32:56 by kaoD kaoD
Thanks to Evil i did missed that one :)
rulezadded on the 2009-04-12 19:01:18 by _wheely_ _wheely_
forgot to thump up.. gleich 3 daumen hoch klasse das....
rulezadded on the 2009-04-12 22:02:22 by .reEto .reEto
There were 2 or 3 good mixes on here. I cant stand this style of prod though. Hearing 100 remixes of the same 3 songs gets on my nerves. Especially because I don't like the songs that are being remixed.

Don't get me wrong though. I'm all for a good remix. I like the retracked prods a lot.
sucksadded on the 2010-03-17 19:58:58 by xteraco xteraco
OMG IT ROTATING!

Shame on me for not up voting this until now. I really hope Bitjam will make mmore remix compos.
rulezadded on the 2011-09-26 23:31:45 by neptun neptun
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