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BillGate by kiki-prods [web]
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release date : march 2002
release party : Synthesis Party 2002
compo : pc demo
ranked : 3rd
  • rulez 11
  • is ok 33
  • sucks 13
popularity : 0%
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  • sucks -0.04
alltime top: #22101
added on the 2002-03-04 13:22:41 by TawnY TawnY

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No design.
No Code.
No music.
No spirit.
Kiki prod is definitly the worst group ever, before rectum cauda.
Please stop smoking out scene with farts like that, and try doing something a bit *original* or at least *spiritfull*. (what I mean by this, is putting a penguin killing a bill gates is a bit lame for a windows demo, for someone who never touch linux or anything else).
sucksadded on the 2002-03-04 14:46:19 by Jylam Jylam
oh boy this sucks
sucksadded on the 2002-03-04 14:55:08 by superplek superplek
damn
i like the badpiou now.
thx the kkp
sucksadded on the 2002-03-04 14:58:04 by med med
this one is hard to comment in fact...

how is the interest to do anti microsoft production in a windows demo ?
the best way to be anti windows is to never use windows, so ....

about the prod, these sceners are cool in party place but i must be partiate and make a comment like for other prods i see, so i think gfxs sucks, music is medium, 3d engine is good, 3d scenes are medium and it's not boring but the concept is very overused.

it's a sad demo, why do you loose so much time to do that? perhaps to proof to yourselves that you can do it? if it's for that it's good. but you must know it's not funny at all for the audience.

no thumb down because you make some efforts to increase your skills, but please stop the bill gates war, it have no interest anymore and it is not funny at all now.
ok, think the 3Dengine is good too, that is really bad to use it like that.
added on the 2002-03-04 15:34:31 by med med
About the 3DEngine :
I know nothing about it, except I saw only linear interpolation (for cameras and such). funny, makes the animation of the objects and cameras very ugly.

I really think the coder should find a real group, HE has potential
added on the 2002-03-04 16:08:45 by Jylam Jylam
you guys are hard with them, i voted for you as an encouragement, even if the demo wasn't good, but here is an advice.
do shorter demos, the quality will in fact be better.
i'm sure this one was an hard work, so continue, but change your methods.
and forget about stupid lamer messages, please !
added on the 2002-03-04 16:10:48 by Sanx Sanx
If this is humour I must be quite boring. I don´t get it.. By making a demo against Windows running under Windows seams quite stupid too me. If you love Linux, then perhaps you would get the right audience if you acctually made Linux demos.
sucksadded on the 2002-03-04 16:44:15 by ekoli ekoli
Same like Zone's opinion but thumb down for 3rd place !
sucksadded on the 2002-03-04 17:03:03 by redribbon redribbon
VOTAI MOVE

http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=4147

AND THE OLDSCHOOL VOUS LE RENDRA
added on the 2002-03-04 17:30:04 by sacri sacri
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added on the 2002-03-04 17:49:42 by Splif Splif
kaka prod
sucksadded on the 2002-03-04 18:06:36 by ntsc ntsc
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rulezadded on the 2002-03-04 19:39:42 by Inopia Inopia
This isn't in relation to the demo but..

Zone said:
how is the interest to do anti microsoft production in a windows demo ?
the best way to be anti windows is to never use windows, so ....

I completely disagree with this :) Have you ever heard of "preaching to the choir"? I wonder just as much what Linux advocates think they're accomplishing by badmouthing MS to they're Linux-using buddies and giving eachother high-fives each time. It's not utterly useless, because I suppose it can help keep a cult-like stranglehold on anyone inside, and that's a plus... but it's not winning over new people per-se...
added on the 2002-03-04 19:59:35 by bigcheese bigcheese
ps. I like Linux :) ..but the behaviour of some people is embarassing enough for me to want to keep some distance even in support.
added on the 2002-03-04 20:00:53 by bigcheese bigcheese
Watched the demo.. HMMmm..

Well, it was a story demo of some sort with some inside humour (pics of members/friends). Contrary to most people, I actually admire the fact that they made an anti-ms demo for windows instead of linux. If they're serious about what their message, why would they be interested in finding an approving audience? That said, they might be crossing a line or two that could get them into legal trouble :)

The art's pretty bad, but it seems that some effort was put into it.. including lots of pain on the coder's part to be able to display it all. The music's bad too :)

.. and it's pretty long. I didn't hate it, but probably won't watch it again.

Oh yeah.. When it started up, it was all screwed up... I had to click around like crazy and fool around just to get the demo's display surface on top of my other windows... and it crashed on exit.
added on the 2002-03-04 20:23:04 by bigcheese bigcheese
Truiss + Bunny = RULEZ
added on the 2002-03-04 20:28:20 by asphyx asphyx
Well, many things to say in fact...

First, okay, it's looking like many people hate it. You can hate it. But don't forget the time needed to make it. It's really funny to see some people saying it's crap but these ones never made a piece of demo, I think you can say what you think, but do not say that Kiki prods is the worst group ever seen if you never made something else than a graph like "La minute Made".

Second, anti microsoft under windows ? bigcheese say many sense things about that. But what you also need to know is that Kiki prods had always been against Microsoft, in the past on Amiga, now on PC under Windows, tomorrow on PC under BeOS ? It's looking like it's too hard to learn demoscene history for many people (And they think that they are real scener ????).

Third, this demo is not Haujobb like, but they put many little things in it making me laughing. Watching commercial demo is boring.

Kiki prods, continuez à faire des demos pas comme les autres et continuez à ne pas vous prendre pour de pseudo elites présomptueuses ;-)
rulezadded on the 2002-03-04 21:14:56 by Floyd Floyd
Truiss + Bunny + Pirv8 j0kes = RULEZ

Foyd fait pas ton démomaker anglophone et retourne a la scene people qui a tant besoin de toi >D
rulezadded on the 2002-03-04 21:56:36 by asphyx asphyx
truiss et bunny toute nue roulez
rulezadded on the 2002-03-04 22:04:16 by kenet kenet
Together with Rush Hour by Nextempire, this one redefines all demo-standards
Asphyx, va me racourcir ce bouc trop long, 'spece de grand minet blond !!!
added on the 2002-03-04 22:45:14 by Floyd Floyd
best anti-linux demo ever..

AS THEY SAY THEMSELVES : "QUALITY IS THE FIRST OF OUR OBJECTIVES !!"

DON'T CHANGE YOUR STYLE!!!! WE WANT MORE DEMOS WITH FAKE BLUE SCREENS, PINGUINS & BILL GATES !!

I'M REALLY WAITING FOR THE REAL LINUX VERSION, IT WOULD REALLY ROCK, SINCE THE ONLY DEMOS WE HAVE UNDER LINUX (LIKE DOSE2 OR FORTNIGHT) DON'T HAVE ANY 3D ACCELERATED RENDERING AND ARE NOT FUNNY BECAUSE THEY DON'T SAY THAT LINUX BEATS M$ WINDOWS !!!!!!

LINUX ROULAIZE CA MERE !!!!
rulezadded on the 2002-03-04 23:19:20 by TREBMEMAC TREBMEMAC
Floyd: Perhaps KiKi prods been Anti Windows forever, I still can´t see what difference it makes. If Windows represents evil then why bother making demos for it. You can´t hate lobsters and still eat them. If anyone is sure they know whats right it doesn´t look good if that person doesn´t act like they learn.
added on the 2002-03-04 23:38:55 by ekoli ekoli
wow, so it is as bad as everyone says. It's nice to see that it's a 3D program that runs without too many problems, but the ideas and design... the actual substance... it's all seems like 14-year-olds came up with it. Some of the scenes are acceptable, but oh god the music and artwork!
sucksadded on the 2002-03-05 00:36:38 by cats cats
Really not much to say that has not already been said. But here I go:

*9 months* went into this? Surely 8.5 of those were spent laughing about the two days actually spent on it?

Oh, and why is Billg holding a Workbench 4.0 disk? Did he invent that along with The Internet, DOS and Basic?

God, this demo was bloody awful, I hope that was the point =)
added on the 2002-03-05 00:54:03 by Shifter Shifter
super les grandes tirade a 2 francs !!
bravo floyd pour ton discour moisi sur la démoscene happy du cul, ou on est tous "friend" et tout.
si c ca là scene pour vous, je me sens obligé d'arreter !
je fais la mekka et je me casse enculer des poules et j'me filmerais pour finir 3em. ca serat ma private joke de départ.
a+ et merci encore.
added on the 2002-03-05 10:19:06 by med med
bon floyd, je repond paske c'est toi hein.
Tu sais pas faire la part des choses. qu'est ce que viens foutre la minute dans ce thread ? on parle d'une demo, pas d'un graph fait en 40 secondes chrono pour deconner.
Ca c'etait le premier point.
Le deuxieme : t'es un bon gros boulet.

Sinon meme avis que med.
added on the 2002-03-05 11:34:53 by Jylam Jylam
the demo is too impressive, but they have done a BIG work for that demo and for that i give a thumb up ! :)
ok, the egyptian textures & music greets really kick ass !
And YESSSS ! we have Macaw, superplek, robotriot french version !
rulezadded on the 2002-03-05 12:37:06 by Stv Stv
sorry : "the demo is not too impressive"...
added on the 2002-03-05 12:38:15 by Stv Stv
linux sucks.
tried this with wine and there went my uptime. (no, it didn't crash, just had all the symptoms of such:)
added on the 2002-03-05 12:59:14 by 216 216
wow. this is bad.
sucksadded on the 2002-03-05 14:19:29 by shiva shiva
for your information, this demo was started on linux but after too many tests, the opengl it is not the strong point of linux...
try to further see that penguins on Windows!

jylam: the man who will make you hate linux for the life!

même dans mes pires moments d'énervement et je jalousie, je n'ai pas été aussi insultant que toi :/
added on the 2002-03-06 00:34:46 by TawnY TawnY
une petite précision quand même : bon ok chacun pense ce qu'il veut, et c'est très bien que vous soyez si enthousiastes a exprimer vos opinions, cependant ce n'est pas la peine de venir laver votre linge sale ici pour autant, je pense qu'irc est bcp plus pratique pour régler vos comptes...
cette demo raconte une HISTOIRE, il ne s'agit pas de prendre réellement aprti mais d'un petit clin d'oeil, d'une part, et d'autre part, qui est mieux placé pour critiquer un os que celui qui s'en sert?
added on the 2002-03-06 09:57:49 by truiss truiss
moi ce que j'en dis, ça passe kan meme mieux de casser windows dans une demo windows..
1- ça touche plus de monde :)
2- sur linux c inutile puisque deja sur linux
3- qui de kk1 qui code sous windows ou de kk1 ki code sur linux est le plus a meme de critiquer l'os de m$ ? (je vous aide , c le premier)

sinon je trouve le debat ridicule, les kiki font des demos pour delirer et ils se la petent pas comme certains qui sont bien moins capables, je ne vise personne en particulier...
added on the 2002-03-06 10:08:45 by Tex Tex
please can we speak in english here ?? i know it's a bit hard for us french ppl, but pouet is a pretty international place and we're the only ones who sometimes write in our own language for a general discussion..

sorry, i didn't get the point of the story .. i think that you should concentrate more on design and graphics and forget a bit 3d. 3d rendering is a nice tool, but here it's just way too ugly with those graphics..
do some 2d effects, even maybe an intro, or do 2d graphics, use cartoon rendering, make the things cooler than a long 3d show with awfull textures and static flying characters.

and i don't see the point of flaming down windows with just destroying a poor ugly modeled 3d billG. make something clever and more serious, dealing about the real problem of windows (privacy protection, software patents, security, the need to allways trust warez dealers ..), maybe in a cartoon, or some prospective video documentary style..
or maybe drop this and start something like a nice demo ??

yeah, i know this one is the demo you worked the most on it..
but getting 3rd place with it is something that can only be explained by friend/namevoting.
added on the 2002-03-06 10:54:49 by florent florent
Hello,
if everyone can translate this to english, i'll thanks here . thanks.

Bonjour,
Une petite remarque quand a la demo,
il y a plusieurs motivations possibles pour faire une demo, nous c le plaisir de nous amuser a la faire
et de la voir projetée sur un ecran geant, pour en faire profiter le plus grand nombre.
Il ne faut pas voir dans cette demo donc une critique profonde a une ideologie ou une plateforme
mais un delire que nous nous somme faits et qui ne sera pas du gout de tous (...)

J'aimerais quand meme bien que les critiques soient constructives, il est facile de critiquer quelquechose,
precisez svp clairement ce qui ne va pas, et comparez a d'autres demos/gfx donnez des idees originales (c tres dur ça aussi)...


Dans tous les cas.. je lis plus haut: si la scene c ça,
et bien si la scene c'est ça, que les demomakers sont aussi solidaires entre eux alors la scene va mourrir
et finir entre quelques personnes qui font se bouffer la gueule en permanence ou s'auto congratuler lachement
et il est clair que des nouveaux venus n'oserons pas presenter des choses de peur d'etre critiques...

j'espere neanmoins que ce n'est pas le but car sinon je ne comprends pas vos motivations...

on s'etonne d'avoir de plus en plus de gamers/lamers dans les partys, il faudrais un peu y reflechir....
...

added on the 2002-03-06 14:24:16 by zeupiark zeupiark
ok, i try to translate zeupiark here :

<<START>>

hello,
a little remark about the Demo
it's lots of way to do a demo, for us it's the fun we have to do it
and the joy to see it on a big screen, to show it to lots of people.
dont try to find in this demo a political message against an OS, but
a delirium we simply do, and wich is not in the taste of everybody

i want the useful criticizes, it's easy to critisize but please
try do write what is wrong here, tell the name of other demos/gfxs to help us
and gives us some original idees (very hard)

in all the cases, i read some of your comments, and if the demoscene is that
if the demomakers are so friends, i understand why the scene will go to die
and the scene will finish in little wars and suckers who will congratulate others suckers
so it's clear that newbies will dont want to come in our world, and will not release
new demos because they beware the critics

i hope it's not the final goal because if it is yes : i didnt known your interest...

we are affraid to see lots of gamers/lamers in partys, try to think about the way to integrate it ...

<<STOP>>



Oops my english is not very good ')
about constructive critics, i try to do it here -english (french):

- hard to say why i dislike the music, i'm not musician, perhaps the rythm and the style hurt my head
- for the gfxs, i know how it's hard to map some bitmap on a 3d scene, but the very ugly thing is the photo of true people wich kill the scenes like a private joke
- for the 3d, modeling is not so bad, and it's hard to modelize some huge scenes, but the realization is not good ('mise en scene'), the lights, the frame, the camera movements and objects movements dont look good
- why code is good ? because lots of big scenes are smooth and particuls used at good place
- global style is sad, because amiga war angainst bill with pingui is out of date, and Kiki do that since 10 years now
- if you do it for you it's good, if you do it agains ms it's sad
- if you love linux, use it and proof that we can use this os to doing something with it, where are my useful tools? dont care about the os, only result is important
- the most sad for me is you take lots of hours on this prod, hope you enjoyed making it, because for the audience there it is no emotions
- we can be an audience, it's not because people dont make demo that he cant give his opinion, in contrary only his emotions speaks
- simply compare cinema with demos, if only the cinema makers can gives their opinion on movies, the world will be sad

(je deteste la zic 'pas chere', je n'aime donc pas la musique ici)
(les photos des potes dans les demos, ca n'a pas d'interet pour ton public, c'est du private joke et en plus ca abime le style global des scenes, on sort de l'ambiance dans laquelle on essaye de plonger pour revenir a des privates jokes)
(problemes de cadrages, mise en scene, eclairages, rythme de déroulement de l'action, rapidité des mouvements ..., ok c'est balèze, mais vous avez tenté de faire un truc hyper compliqué aussi)
(c'est fluide, ca rame pas et ca plante pas et ya des particules utilisées là où il faut)
(l'histoire est sans interet et c'est triste, la gueguerre amiga ms a coup de pinguoins linux c'est demodé et ca ne fait plus rire, ca fait 10 ans que vous en faites)
(donc en résumé, si vous l'avez faite pour vous prouver que votre niveau s'est amélioré c'est bien, si vous l'avez faite car vous croyez encore a la gueguerre linux amiga c'est naze)
(si vous aimez linux, prouvez nous qu'on peut en faire quelque chose, mais ou sont les outils dont j'ai besoin? je me fous de l'OS utilisé, seul le resultat compte)
(le plus triste c'est de savoir que vous avez passe autant de temps sur cette prod, j'espere que vous vous etes fait plaisir a la faire car pour le public elle ne degage aucune emotions)
(nous sommes tous le public, ce n'est pas parce que quelqu'un n'a pas fait de demos qu'il ne peut pas donner son opinion, au contraire seule son emotion parle)
(comparez le cinema a la demo, et si seulement les realisateurs de cinema pouvaint donner leur avis ? ben ca n'aurrait plus d'interet)

if you have some time to waste, show my demos ;]]
if you have some time again continue to do demos, for you or for the audience, try to accept audience critics, and give the best of you, the audience will appreciate
merci pour ce(s) discour magistral, zone, ça réchauffe le coeur ...
mais au fait.. KI a dit qu'on acceptais pas la critique???
added on the 2002-03-06 16:30:44 by truiss truiss
if you do not understand French, you do not worry, my comment was not at all interesting

as for the photographs in the bar, they were those of the memebres of the group and not our friends...

added on the 2002-03-06 16:34:14 by truiss truiss
we accept audience critics ! yes! but jylam is a lamer! (cf : no code...)

bill is dead now :)
we start another demos with our new experience...
in this prod we are all newbies, piark in opengl, tawny in 3d, truiss is "new" in the group...
we know : the Amiga/pc/amstrad/atari/mac war is over :)
thanks--
wait and see..
added on the 2002-03-06 16:41:27 by TawnY TawnY
yea, that's good to hear :)

about the demo: well, it's more like a jokedemo i assume, that's probably why you can't rate it like "normal" ones. the graphics were pretty bad (except for the murals in the mummy grave and the camels :), and the music was not interesting at all. as stated before already, the topic is quite ridiculous and not interesting anymore today. if your next demo is not a 3d show like this one anymore, and it's a serious attempt at demomaking, than i'd be really happy :)
added on the 2002-03-06 17:12:42 by robotriot robotriot

I will thumb up the demos making laugh out my ass!!! (Where is the latest Nextempire demo btw? I want to watch it again ;)

Lot's of Linux VX win, parody, yeah! Good laugh!!!
Some textures on the egyptian pyramid looks very good, it's funny to see bill gates and penguins all over the place, crazy!

Hahaha!
rulezadded on the 2002-03-06 20:49:27 by Optimus Optimus
Thanks for the our constructive explanations.

all remarks are read and add to count (?? bad traduce please help me ...)

in french == "toute remarque est la bienvenue si elle est constructive et nous en tiendrons compte."

added on the 2002-03-06 20:53:34 by zeupiark zeupiark
I think I have made a reputation for seldomly giving a thumb down... This demo pushed my limits somehow.

If you want to make fun of Microsoft, there are alot better ways to do it. Be smart, sarcastic and to the point, plain ridicule is meaningless.

Also, the musician needs to try harder. Listen to other stuff, see how other people compose. Learn from them. Then surpass them if you can. Finally, most demos suffer from slow pace and bore. Don't fall for it as well. Make it fast, make it sharp, make it impressive.

Now go on and amaze us! :-)
added on the 2002-03-06 21:15:57 by moT moT
Sorry *.french ppl, you REALLY need to brush up your english =)
added on the 2002-03-07 02:20:56 by Shifter Shifter
hey les copains, je me rappel m'être fait menacer pour avoir donné mon avis sur une de vos prod, alors arretez de passer pour des calimero.
added on the 2002-03-07 13:20:17 by med med
demoscene suxx. Kiki suxx. Zone suxx. Med suxx. I suxx. Ta mere suxx. Windows suxx. Meme les pingoins en strings suxx.
Nan mé bordel de merde au lieu de parlez soyez productifs!!!! vous etes les 1ers à critiquer mais vous ne faites pas forcement avancer les choses, VOUS messieurs qui collectionnez vos putains de glops.....
Allez ah pfff
added on the 2002-03-07 13:52:54 by norecess norecess
En fait si cette démo tourne sur windows, c'est pour faire de la propagande chez les windowsistes, ça servirai à quoi de faire de la propagande pour linux sur linux ?
rulezadded on the 2002-03-07 14:05:43 by skarab skarab
pauv petit medchounet, piark a voullu te frapper avec ses petits poings??
added on the 2002-03-07 14:49:22 by truiss truiss
c'est fou que dire d'une demo que personne n'aime sauf a ceux qui l'ont faite est mechant quand meme.
Je reste sur mon avis, musique nulle, graphs nuls, code moyen/bon. Demo nulle.
Voila c'est plus politiquement correct ?
Pour Tawny : "we accept audience critics ! yes! but jylam is a lamer! (cf : no code...) ".
Voila, je donne mon avis, je me fait insulter. Desolé, le code est moyen. le reste est nul. Je vais pas dire le contraire.
Pur Piark : "et bien si la scene c'est ça, que les demomakers sont aussi solidaires entre eux alors la scene va mourrir"
La scene n'a jamais eu besoin de se serrer les coudes comme tu dis. La "scene", les party, ce sont avant tout des concours. Si tu n'aime pas le principe, release tes prods en dehors d'une party. En party t'es la pour te confronter aux autres, pas pour faire mumuse et presenter une prod histoire de dire que t'en a faite une.
La demoscene ne s'arrete pas a 2 party par an, c'est peut etre pour ca que *certains* (salut floyd), on l'impression que d'*autres* (salut jylam) ne sont pas productifs. Je suis en mode egocentrique, mais la scene me doit bien plus qu'elle ne te doit mon cher floyd.

Juste un essai pour clore le debat (on peut toujours rever) : Le si mauvais accueil de cette prod est en grande partie du au fait qu'elle arrive 3eme.
Le vote pour les copains, c'est a vous degouter des petites party, et ca dure depuis 3 ans (vote en masse je parle).
A bon entendeur ...
added on the 2002-03-07 17:09:25 by Jylam Jylam
c'est marrant mais à vrai dire, vu les comments, si on avait tant d'amis que ça, ça se serait vu, donc ce que tu dis est complètement hors de propos, jylam, pour le reste, c'est ton avis, et je le respecte
added on the 2002-03-07 17:23:21 by truiss truiss
french sux
added on the 2002-03-07 17:55:49 by Seffren Seffren
Flames on pouet, how original. Well, discussing about this demo is pointless, as its goal wasn't to reach fame or anything like that. Flaming people is pointless too, only a few persons get motivated by insults or sarcasms. Posting looooooooooooooooooooong comments it pointless, too, and posting it twice is way more pointless :) The rating of this prod (3rd) at the party place, is discussable, but it's NOT new, it doesn't concern only this prod, so open a new thread in the BBS and forget about this demo.

I can't say i like it, but i have to admit that it's way better than their previous stuff, so keep improving, and maybe next time try to make a nice demo with a valuable topic, if you really want to make people shut up. It's always been the best way.
added on the 2002-03-07 17:57:30 by alexkidd alexkidd
Le débat ne se termine pas mais il dévit légérement. Maintenant on accuse le copinage d'être à l'origine de la 3ieme place de cette demo...
Mais c'est pas un problème nouveau, et les exemples ne manque pas à ce niveau.
Et visiblement en party une demo qui fait rire passe mieux qu'une demo qui se veut sérieuse avec 2 effets et 3 graphs de Splif
(je sens qu'avec cette phrase beaucoup ne pourront s'empecher de me répondre). De plus, kiki prods n'a jamais voulu faire de la demo sérieuse alors qu'ils en ont le potentiel (reste juste surtout à trouver un musicien). Que les gens n'aiment pas okay, j'ai rien contre,
mais que certains se permettent de dire "c'est un groupe lamentable qui ne mérite pas d'exister" moi je demande alors ou sont passé votre tolérance et votre humour ? Ce qui me fait d'autant plus rire c'est de voir ce genre de critique de Jylam alors que lui même n'hésite pas à concourir avec des graphs "moyen" ressemblant plus à une blague qu'autre chose (et personnellement ça m'a fait rire comme pas possible ton graph ;-). Certains ont une vision elitisme de la scene ou seule les productions hautement sérieuse et de haute qualité ont le droit d'exister... Je suis assez révolté d'une telle vision, je ne peux que me demander si nous somme bien en l'an 2002 ou dans l'allemagne Nazi de 1940 ou tout ce qui ne correspond pas à la perfection décrite par certains doit être éliminé... Le commentaire de Jylam qui fût le premier, manque cruellement de tact et d'argumentation constructive...
Dire qu'une demo est minable et que le groupe qui l'a faite est minable est purement gratuit et a la porté de tous... Et est ce vraiment utile ???
(Nan pis sérieux, dire que la demo sucks et rajouter un post "le moteur 3d n'est pas si mal en fait" après le post de Zone, seul vrai post constructif du lot, c'est lame à un point pas possible...) Et j'aime bien aussi quand Jylam donne des leçons, je cite : "En party t'es la pour te confronter aux autres, pas pour faire mumuse et presenter une prod histoire de dire que t'en a faite une." Alors tu pourrais m'expliquer dans quel registre ce classe ton graph de la synthesis 2002 ? Tu te contredit un peu Jylam, pas sérieux tout ça... Et si la scene te doit quelque chose, j'ai du manquer des épisodes (ouaip, j'préfére regarder Buffy à la télévision que me farcir ton humour foireux vu, revu, et inchangé qui sévit depuis 1 an sur #demofr). Maintenant, il n'y à rien de nouveau sous le soleil, je ne prétendrais jamais que la scene me doit quoique ce soit, je ne suis pas nombriliste à ce point (on peut pas avoir tout les defauts du monde non plus). Voila, j'ai longtemps hésité avant de poster car même si j'ai un peu commencé à lancer des bombes à eau sur la scene (je suis un gamin incorrigible) me prendre la tête avec des personnes obtu d'esprit pensant être dans le droit chemin et se permettant de rabaisser plus bas que terre quiquonque ne respecte pas les régles devant lesquels ils ont émis serment m'ennuis au plus haut point et, de surcrois, j'ai un peu autre chose à faire, la demoscene ne représentant pas ma vie et n'étant pas non plus ma religion. Je vous laisse commenter tout ça sur #demofr, ça vous fera un nouveau topic et ça vous occupera une partie de la journée... Ah mais sans moi qu'est ce que vous vous feriez chié quand même !!!! ;-)

And for English people... Nothing so much interesting, but you can try the <pub> lycos traduction : http://www.lycos.fr/service/traducteur/ </pub> if you really wanna know that kinda shit I could say ;-)

PS : Jylam, la prochaine fois qu'au détour d'un bar quelqu'un voudra te faire ravaler ton insolance présompteuse, je ne suis pas sûr que je le retiendrais, ce coup ci...
added on the 2002-03-07 23:15:54 by Floyd Floyd
Who gives a fuck about that Floyd ? BBS exists, irc too, and so does phone.
added on the 2002-03-07 23:27:22 by alexkidd alexkidd
blah blah blah ....

can you please stop that thread once ?????
yeah we could have continued it, i could even have translated your post to show how stupid you act, but now please stop here ..

people are stupid those times, they don't seem to understand when they should stop nonsense discussions.
added on the 2002-03-08 00:00:25 by florent florent
Youpi, je veux aussi causer:
Bande d'enculé de fils de putes d'homogay sodomites. Bref qu'est ce qu'on en a a bralner de vos demos, vous voulez que pout finisse comme (l'excellent) cde, c'est a dire a la poubelle ? Tout ca parceque vous pensez qu'a vous prendre la tete au lieu de juste faire ^partager a tout le monde vos prods en didant tout simplement que telle prod ben elle vous a plus parceque ... et non dire blablabla et ma soeur elle code mieux que ta grand mere et la scene est morte en 1792 pendant la revoultion...

Sorry for the french words, i try to translate some a them.
lease stop your fucking blabla. Do you want pouet to become like (the good but dead) cde ? Stop flamewars about scenespirit and blabla and do somethinf interseting, that all (like boozing at the party :) ).
added on the 2002-03-08 00:02:43 by jb jb
Isn't this sort of promoting hate, or at least a death threat or something? Kinda immature...

The 3D engine was pretty good, but I guess Bill Gates flys around because it's too hard to animate a mummy in 3D.

I'm still not too sure what the point of all this might be. I learned nothing about why Windows might be bad or why Linux might be better.
sucksadded on the 2002-03-08 00:22:00 by thom thom
alors, parler anglais est trop dur pour vous les gars?
added on the 2002-03-08 02:00:46 by reed reed
What a piece of shit! :)

These are the worse gfx ever (i hope the 3d artist is a coder or something).

"From one of the authors:
for your information, this demo was started on linux but after too many tests, the opengl it is not the strong point of linux... "

mwahahhaah, so u have to make a prod in win because you can't make it linux. Who is crap?

Whatever, this production really sux, and it's a pity, because it looks that some work went into it, next time guys!
sucksadded on the 2002-03-08 04:07:52 by mac mac
Nah...;)
However, 3d engine was good.
added on the 2002-03-08 04:08:20 by got got
my "virtual" thumbs up, just because I've never seen a so ridiculous thread before this one :)

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added on the 2002-03-08 09:44:04 by elric elric
i got plenty of inspiration for my next plAAp demo! this shit is amazing!
rulezadded on the 2002-03-08 17:01:06 by raimo raimo
floyd :
1/ au cas ou tu aurais pas remarqué, mon graph c'etait une blague justement, tu doit pas etre assez intelligent pour le remarquer. cf mon graph de la jff, cf TOUS les graphs que j'ai presenté jusqu'ici. je suis pas graphiste, je te le rapelle, je voie pas pkoi presenter un graph pourrais etre serieux de ma part.
2/ "nia nia tout ca, ton graph". comme je l'ai dit c'est une blague, ca a rien de serieux. ce que tu en pense je m'en branle.
3/ "ton humour [...] depuis 1 an sur demofr." 4 ans, je te remercie.
4/ pour le dernier point, ca ne regarde que moi, la violence (et, pour faire politiquement correct) "l'ebriete" des gens est ce qu'elle est, que tu retiennes les dites personnes ou pas ne change rien. Comme on dit, y'a des brebis galeuses partout, pour toi j'en fait peut etre parti, et c'est ton avis, c'est tres bien.

Chaque avis m'interesse, en bien ou en tres mal, autant les ecouter.
Tu restes quelqu'un que je ne peut pas blairer, mais je te respecte au moins pour la qualité de tes arguments, aussi peu justifiés qu'ils soit.


For english people sorry, don't read this, you didn't miss anything.
added on the 2002-03-08 17:18:23 by Jylam Jylam
i dont really understand all this flame war, personally i've nothing against this demo everybody has the right to make prods for fun - it didnt made me really laugh so no thumbs up, though :)

about the third place well it doesnt really bother me since i dont compete for prizes. but if we want to avoid/reduce namevoting, then we should probably use the ltp4 voting system, which was much fair (vote = 50% judges + 50% ppl).

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"...une demo qui se veut sérieuse avec 2 effets et 3 graphs de Splif"

dis donc sale con
peux-tu exprimer ton avis sur la lobster sur la page qui lui est reservée?
Que tu te prennes pour le justicier du ciel, à défendre une demo (qui à mon avis se passe bien de tes services - va vider ta glande à venin ailleurs) passe encore, mais que tu en profites pour tailler la mienne, là tu ferais mieux de surveiller ta langue de vipère.
added on the 2002-03-08 21:15:01 by stil stil
Look all the precious time you've wasted writing lies and hypocrisy down here.
Be productive ! Make some kiki-prods- or floyd-fucktros (or even jylam ones if you're from the other side of the 'force').
Just a word about demo & productions rankings : do sterotypes if you want to win; the so-called "scene" is all but innovative. Fucking right-wing conservatives that you are :D
The lauwbztah has you, BITCH !
added on the 2002-03-08 21:31:20 by Splif Splif
some remarks in connection with this demo: I did not find the demo extraordinary, but all the same better than the preceding ones.There is much work behind, they have at least the merit to have made it.graphics are better than for the tuxtro... in short, I find this demo amusing, distracting. I liked the scene of the station much, that of the tomb also. My question is: why such a quantity of so negative comments?
added on the 2002-03-09 17:56:55 by monolith monolith
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i hope you are proud of yourself!
added on the 2002-03-09 18:38:51 by MooZ MooZ
The graphics weren't very good - obviously the girls can draw, but... - but the textures I found incredibly ugly. The plot was weird and I didn't really understand it or find it funny. Music was ok. The demo should have been a bit shorter. Code was probably ok, even if it was quite slow.
added on the 2002-03-10 20:55:24 by DiamonDie DiamonDie
I wonder what makes people waste so much of their precious time (9 months as I understood?) for a joke-demo, especailly with a topic like that?.. I mean, 9 months is enough for anyone to perfect himself beyond recognition, and even grow some basic sense of humor and artistical taste (which this one lacks heavily).
I won't say this demo sucks or anything - it'll probably stay on my hdd forever to watch when boozing - but 9 goddamn months?!.. 8/
added on the 2002-03-11 19:09:03 by bhead bhead
J'ai pas vu la demo mais en tout cas Floyd + Jylam = Amour ca reste d'actu !
added on the 2002-03-12 18:00:57 by sns sns
on se refait pas :)
added on the 2002-03-12 18:32:04 by Jylam Jylam
AEMSD ;)
added on the 2002-03-12 22:38:57 by Tex Tex
Pleasant work.
Little bit long demonstration.
Don't hear lamer comment.
Design perfectible.
added on the 2002-03-13 09:40:44 by Arkel Arkel
we did not spend 9 months for to do everything! we lost 1 raytracer meanwhile. Approximately 4 months of work..we changed several times of scenario, and that was finished at the party place!
cia this summer for a "spirit" demo ;)
added on the 2002-03-13 11:32:02 by TawnY TawnY
Diable continue dans ici?! (j'ai entendu que j'apprendrais de bons mots méchants preety dedans ici, mais ce traducteur (français au Grec) semble sucer l'âne et la substance!)

J'ai juste essayé d'écrire l'anglais et de le traduire de nouveau au Français (pourquoi pas grec-franc? Dunno.) Je suis juste se demandant comment il serait. Quoi qu'il en soit. vous les que français sont fous, je n'vais pas vous dire que pour écrire en anglais, parce que je déteste beeing une telle chienne indiquant à autre ce qu'elles doivent faire, mais de toute façon je me sens ainsi. mais alors je ne peux pas le faire, mais alors je veux le dire! L'anglais est Celui et le seul langage international au moins pour aujourd'hui! (nous ne sommes pas encore en contact avec des beeings extraterrestres;)

Whata autrement? Rien. je suis simplement fatigué... Aller à la maison.

Cu Optimus.
added on the 2002-03-13 13:44:54 by Optimus Optimus
Hey it's funny! I translated back to English and text is changed! I hope not the wrong meaning insulted anyone or something ;)
added on the 2002-03-13 13:54:58 by Optimus Optimus
haha
added on the 2002-03-14 10:35:09 by truiss truiss
LoL :))
Optimus, the Greek JeanClaudeVanDamme !!!

(the best of are : "je déteste beeing une telle chienne"='i dont want to be a female dog like this' ; "semble sucer l'âne "='seems to be a donkey sucker')
did i mention that this sucks ass
added on the 2002-03-14 11:49:35 by superplek superplek
"I hope not the wrong meaning insulted anyone or something ;)" I don't know how you managed to do this Optimus, but this translation says that my mother is a whore, and that she gives head for a Baby Ruth. Beware ! I know where you live (in fact i don't, but i hope i will soon).
added on the 2002-03-15 01:42:13 by alexkidd alexkidd
ak =))
woah, what a mess for just a boring demo...
added on the 2002-03-21 13:23:56 by willbe willbe
too long and boring at the end ...
more design and less senseless scene and the demo could be cool.

Et pour la bande de gland qui s'engueule comme des cons en se touchant la bite. Ils pourraient se laisser pousser une paire de couilles, et organiser une baston la prochaine fois qu'ils se voient ... là au moins ils nous feront pas chier avec leurs coneries qui soulent, et ca pourraient même être rigolo ...!
added on the 2002-03-21 15:47:20 by Henry Henry
DoudIou, arf ça m'eclate,
Moi j'me touche pas la bite j'me foure un doigt dans l'Q en regardant M6, sa va chiéééééé :))))
hum hum....
J'espere que vous serez globalements plus contents de la AfterLife....
Pour la bastonnade c marrant mais a la State Of the art y'avait un ring et personne nous a fait de remarques sur la billgate :)
allez, a+++


added on the 2002-12-17 18:43:58 by piark piark
1. working download link
2. everybody, talk english PLEASE. bad english is far more acceptable here than perfect french
3. 3d artists (except the most fabulous ones) really should stop modelling people. it just looks so ridiculous. i can only remember a single good-looking example (forgot the demo's name, some girl running around a circle and over a bridge).
4. the music is bad :)
5. the story is confusing :)

oh well... show this demo to your friends, and they will be mightily impressed (i guess). show it to sceners and you get thumbed down. be the rest among the best - or the best among the rest...
added on the 2002-12-17 19:37:38 by jazzman jazzman
ugly trip
sucksadded on the 2002-12-25 01:15:53 by cherri kandler cherri kandler
Mdr,
pour une demo que personne ne veut regarder je trouve que y'a pas mal de commentaires quand meme...
4mo, c la taille, 8minutes minimum, c sa durée....
Bon bref, ne nous etalons pas l'oignon mais grace a vous on est devenus millionaires , merci! car grace a vous on a gagné une invitation a <<c mon choix>> on mange des crepes et on dit merde a ceux qui savent pas rire..
On est connus jusqu'en corée du nord! on recoit des mails en malgache! les raeliens nous on ecrits!
Bref, puisque c ce que vous semblez entendre, cette demo a ete faite contre microsoft, paske c pas bien, expres pour recuperer les voix des linuxiens (y'en avais quand meme deux dans la salle!) et on a ete sucer les orgas pour etre bien classés!
Bref on fait ça rien que pour etre connu dans le monde, absolument pas pour rire, et cette demo a ete faite avec le coeur, pas avec le cul.
Du fond du slip, merci!
added on the 2003-01-25 00:50:28 by piark piark
OUUAAAIIISSSS!!! Bravo PIARK!! Vive Moi!! Vive la scène, vive les gens, vive la vie, vive l'amour!! Aimez vous bordel!! Vous savez ce ke j'm moi, hein? C'est trouver au hasard d'un surf une bonne tite démo originale, qui sorte un peu ou même beaucoup de préférence du moule commun qui me gonfle à mort. Mais si vous savez, les bonnes grosses démos bien chiantes au bout de 5 secondes, qui se ressemblent toutes les unes aux autres... Certes, les moteurs 3D sont surpuissants, c'est bien fluide et tout et tout, c'est très joli merci messieurs, mais PUTAIN qu'est-ce que c'est chiant!!! Comme je m'emmerde à mort!!! Au moins quand je tombe sur une démo KIKI eh bien excusez moi mais je me marre! Bah ouais c'est con mais c'est comme ca!! Allez bonnes démos à tous et salut!!!
rulezadded on the 2003-03-09 02:55:14 by Shadow Shadow
j'avais posté sur ce forum le 2002-03-05 un comment idiot, je m'en excuse.
added on the 2003-03-25 23:15:02 by med med
ABSOLUTE FAB !!!
rulezadded on the 2003-04-08 07:52:42 by donny donny
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added on the 2003-04-09 01:20:47 by donny donny
med : je pense qu'on a tous été un peu des gamins ridicule il y a un an (et moi le premier) :-p
Allez, on reviendra lire tout ça dans 1 an :)
added on the 2003-04-09 23:29:34 by Floyd Floyd
Horrible
sucksadded on the 2004-07-21 10:06:04 by AbcuG! AbcuG!
ow yeah! one of the cult crapdemos!
sucksadded on the 2006-08-22 11:01:30 by bhead bhead

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