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Well, at least this thread made me finally buy the Amiga Mindcandy (which I've been meaning to do since it was released).

Teel: Me as well. I was feeling almost guilty for not getting it, but I just placed my order at Amazon. Now it's only 8-36 days until I can enjoy the pure Amiga goodness on my flatscreen. :)

I'd vote for a "generic", multi-platform 8-bit DVD. I agree that a C64 DVD would be the next logical step after PC and Amiga, but I also understand the arguments against it: There are already quite a lot of other C64 demo DVDs, and C64 demos can be watched easily and conveniently in emulators.
However, I don't think that a PC 64k intro DVD would be a good thing either. Thanks to kkapture, it's very easy to create such a disc yourself nowadays (in fact, I did exactly that lately ;), so I doubt that people would be willing to pay for something they'd get almost for free (i.e. at the expense of one weekend's work).

KeyJ: No offence to Ryg, but I would _not_ describe it as "easy" to create your own DVD of demos. :) Sure, many of us are tech-savy, but for Joe Schmoe - it's hard as hell.

I'm with KeyJ actually. I didn't know that there are so many C64 compilations already, it indeed seems that that market is already pretty flooded. A combination of 'weird' platforms would be really cool!

"Best of the best" would rule.

gloom: OK, you're right, creating high-quality demo captures isn't for everyone (though the hassle is more on the processing side, the kkapture step itself is quite easy and straightforward :). Anyway, my point was that it's affordable: You don't need any extra equipment except your PC. You do not need video interfaces, scan converters and other expensive hardware stuff, because it's all done in software.

i wouldn't describe it as easy either. even if you're past the tinkering in kkapture, you still need to cut+re-encode (and sometimes make sure the sync matches up). and for dvds, interlacing the material properly aswell (not hard, but you need to know how). considering that it takes practice to even set up encoding options for xvid/h.264 properly, and virtualdub/avisynth aren't exactly the most intuitive programs known to mankind, i'd say that's a pretty big hurdle, even to the average demowatcher (who has never worked with videos so far).

this is ultimate solution, release nosfe's molotov mainos as longer amateur porn and sell it bangbros for example and profit!!!

Two words: "Audio commentary".

Point taken :)

I'd have to skip the C64 edition unless someone gave it to me free.

Or you could do a mini-dvd with only one c64 demo, because they all look the same HARHAR.

8-bit Commodore is the way to go, including the 264 family.

As for the "they all look the same"-comment - looking at the current PC demoscene I would have thought that this was highly endorsed.

You're definitely watching too many STS demos ;)

Apart from that, I'd also be for "best of 8-bit" including all Commodores, Amstrads, Speccys, Sinclairs, BBC Micros and NESes ;)

a double dvd for 8bit c64 and 8bit atari demos would be great

I vote for 8 bits machines. Loads of demos from 8 bit machines, all kinds of 8 bit machines. Atari, Commodore, Spectrum, Oric, Thompson, etc. All of 'em. And not just "the best" - but show some of the more esoteric ones too, that pushed limits in other ways (the last reactor, for example.)

And as for 8 bit demos on hd and blue ray stuff like that - let's get a fucking GRIP here. DVD will handle it just fine.

Save the hd for 'pc demos pt 2' in a few years.

An 8-bit roundup sounds cool. Would probably give nice introductions of "competing" platforms to people.

Speaking as someone who bought the previous two, I would not buy a C-64 compilation.
I love some C-64 demos, but I couldn't sit through an hour of them, let alone 4 - and even then I could fire up an emulator.

I put a vote in for the misc-platform best-of-the-best DVD. You could have a few C-64 and Speccy demos on there, along with handheld stuff, console demos (from SNES to 360), calculators ;), etc.
The point is collecting *good* captures on a DVD for stuff that ordinarily you'd never be able to watch. A lot of the video links for these things on pouët are either down or shitty quality.

Of course capturing from lots different platforms would be impossible for one team. It would have to be a distributed effort with common guidelines.

kb_: Not correct, I'm only watching the good one. ;)

making a varied demo dvd isnt that difficult, although the alpha blended polys-delight and best of tbl dvd's make it seem otherwise.

So basically a c64 dvd with easter eggs. ;)

Also, what truck said, although I wouldn't mind a c64-only dvd either (the variety IS there, if you care to open your eyes).

Oh yes, let's insert politics into this, and turn it away from something that people who love doing it will become disgusted with - so we can have a DVD which is as boring, lifeless, and smacks of disinterested parties who demanded that their voice be heard loudest.

Absolutely, we need Wankopedia's version of the Hornet Mindcandy - Hornet isn't doing a good enough job, they've only done two and had fun doing it, making dvd's that truly honored the groups who did the work.

We need to put an END to that. Let's crush their spirit by turning it into a committee steered effort. Business first, always. Kill enthusiasm and enjoyment DEAD.

Best of 8-bit is a brilliant idea!

truck: it would require some outside help however... i doubt trixter owns all possible 8bit platforms.

ah, good. trixter was reluctant to do a "best of 8 bit" compilation because of the sheer effort of acquiring and capturing from all the systems. maybe you guys can help convince him. :) i like the concept myself. if you guys saw the production notes in vol 2, you saw how hard it was to get multiple amigas up and running.. so obviously getting multiple early 80s platforms up and running scares us a little bit. :)

and you're getting the same idea we are.. a) hold off on hd comps for a little while longer, and b) save more pc stuff for then, and get oldskool stuff out of the way now.