Matt Gray Kickstarter

category: music [glöplog]
added on the 2014-11-03 10:25:30 by BoyC BoyC
why does he need £25k to fix his own music? i don't get it...
Recording studio costs, session players, mastering, and not starving to death during production.
added on the 2014-11-03 13:57:45 by jobe jobe
Yes but no. I *LOVE* Matt Gray tunes, but come on...

And these viscious "levels".
Level4 as level2 but with sth from level3 and not from level5 but from level6 and level3.14 too.
What a dumb*ss (was it you Matt?) was paid for that to make ppl more dizzy. Welcome to the system!!

I repeat - i really like Matt Gray tunes. Wishes him good health...
added on the 2014-11-04 00:10:53 by sim sim
My head did indeed explode before reading through all those "levels"...
added on the 2014-11-04 07:49:05 by Puryx Puryx
Never listened to Matt Gray but £25,000 to basically do a remix album of your own work?
Nice work for some.
added on the 2014-11-04 08:44:17 by ringofyre ringofyre
It's not that much if you consider the expenses:
Production costs will obviously include CD mastering and manufacturing, packaging design and production and postage costs. On the recording front I'll be playing a lot of the music myself,but I'll also be utilising various top class session players for certain tracks to provide additional drums, guitars, bass, keys and strings. That not only involves session costs, but also recording studio costs. To keep some costs down I will be mixing the album myself (don't worry I've successfully mixed a number of hit records). Obviously this project will take up the vast majority of my working life for anywhere between 9 to 12 months and like everyone else I have living expenses and bills to pay. Undoubtedly if you the backers are providing the financial means to make this album happen, then I will be required to focus almost exclusively on creating and producing it to the highest standard. That's a full time commitment, but if we can reach the funding goals then I can fulfill that.
added on the 2014-11-04 08:52:12 by Gargaj Gargaj
Of course £25k seems like a lot if you don't even read the page and assume he just records the tunes from a C64 and normalizes, EQs and compresses them a bit in a wave editor.
added on the 2014-11-04 09:20:27 by jobe jobe
Garg - as I said, don't know Matt Gray or his music.

My bro-in-law/sister-in-law are members of a couple of moderately successful local bands (mostly involving their husbands/partners). They have managed themselves and have played, mixed and produced a couple of cds and digital releases all well under AUD$46000 (£25,000). Their music is neither chiptune nor based on c64 but it certainly could be remixed. I know - I helped them with some of their production.

Their last cd cost nearly AUD$11000 and that was mostly studio time and physical production costs (gear and printing). I know for a fact I could do a remix album for them for easily less than a tenth of what this ks is looking for.

Maybe I should show them this thread - if BoyC/Matt gray can get 32000 pounds who knows how they could do?
added on the 2014-11-04 09:36:16 by ringofyre ringofyre
ringofyre: huh the only connection I have to Matt is that I grew up listening to the Last Ninja 2 soundtrack :D
added on the 2014-11-04 09:42:39 by BoyC BoyC
1. You're comparing a CD + vinyl boxset to single CD albums.

2. You're comparing professional session players to a "moderately successful local band".

3. It's not a remix album.

Read the description.
added on the 2014-11-04 09:43:09 by jobe jobe
@BoyC - my apologies - as I said, don't know the person or the music, I assumed you were connected as you stated the thread.
@jobe -
Reformation will be a definitive set of Matt Gray C64 games soundtrack remakes, produced by the acclaimed C64 musician himself.

Potato, potato.
added on the 2014-11-04 09:52:08 by ringofyre ringofyre
Remix vs Remake is more like apples vs oranges
added on the 2014-11-04 10:01:56 by britelite britelite
Potato, potato.

No. Remix implies something you put together in a DAW with the original audio tracks and a Kontakt dubstep library. It certainly doesn't imply anything involving recording studio time and professional session players that, unlike local bands, actually expect to get paid to enter the studio and play.

If you think having pre-existing compositions somehow cuts 90% of the cost of this kind of project, you might not know as much about music production as you think you do.
added on the 2014-11-04 10:04:03 by jobe jobe
Remix != remake.

What Matt Gray is apparently planning is to take some of his old C64 songs, and arrange them for full instrumental production. So again, he's hiring several professional session players for performing the entirety of the album. The rate for those people can go from $100 to $300 per hour depending on how good they are.

Also, don't forget that he's trying to do this full-time: if you check the median income in the UK, you'll see it's not entirely unreasonable for an annual salary, which he said he estimates the album production will take. And that's just his own living expense, not counting the actual cost of the production (also stuff like hiring someone for cover art), professional mastering, printing (both CD and vinyl), potential distribution if there's more sales planned than the KS backers...

Seriously, do the math.
added on the 2014-11-04 10:05:36 by Gargaj Gargaj
Remix vs Remake is more like apples vs oranges

Having only remixed my own stuff and never having "remade" it I have to be honest, I'm still at potato, potato.
added on the 2014-11-04 10:11:04 by ringofyre ringofyre
@Garg -
Their last cd cost nearly AUD$11000 and that was mostly studio time and physical production costs (gear and printing).

@job -
If you think having pre-existing compositions somehow cuts 90% of the cost of this kind of project, you might not know as much about music production as you think you do.

I'm not a professional muso nor do I really care. I just know I'm going to suggest to my in-laws that they "remake" one of their albums and do a ks. If it works for Matt Gray maybe it'll work for them!
added on the 2014-11-04 10:18:28 by ringofyre ringofyre
But we're not talking about those costs! Yes, buying a guitar is cheap, we get that. I can safely assume Mr. Gray already has a studio and a reasonable amount of gear so those costs are low.

Let's do just a bit of math: The KS says 18-20 tracks on the album, let's say 4 musicians (very generous) each recording for 3 hours (very generous) for $200 per track, that's already $16000 for 18 tracks.
added on the 2014-11-04 10:24:41 by Gargaj Gargaj
People pretty much covered all of it already, but my 2¢ from having backed quite a few projects, including one by someone I've met a few times. (Which totally makes me qualified to say stuff on the internet as if I'm an expert! :P)

What hasn't been mentioned so far is that in addition to all the production costs, Kickstarter takes a cut of the final sum and I presume so would the UK government in taxes as it would be income. Any good project creator knows to account for this so they don't end up at a loss, despite meeting their goal. Plus some projects over-budget to account for potential issues without going bust. There's the plan you announce, the revised plan, the delayed plan because the cause of the revised plan ate your built-in time padding, and whatever else follows that. :)

It is too easy to underestimate what you're asking people to fund you to do, and I think most of the projects I've backed have been slightly late to very late in getting me my rewards. (I don't mind as long as they communicate honestly to backers.) So if you think they're overestimating the work involved, it's quite possible it's at least a slight underestimate, excepting for some of the project creators who've ridden that roller-coaster before.

Not particularly my interest and I don't need another Kickstarter right now, but good luck to Matt. :)
Lmao, people still fall for ringo's weak ass trolling
added on the 2014-11-04 10:52:33 by okkie okkie
Lmao, people still fall for ringo's weak ass trolling

Oh hai okkie.
& your input to this thread constructive or otherwise is?
added on the 2014-11-04 11:38:28 by ringofyre ringofyre
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added on the 2014-11-04 11:50:48 by bartman bartman
like people in the demoscene would ask for money for demos:" look I've hire a gfxman, a musician, I also have to live from something while I make the demo" bla bla bla. No thanks. I'll pirate it, if it comes around.
added on the 2014-11-04 12:14:44 by Oswald Oswald
Oswald: it's not like he did it for free in the first place, so that analogy doesn't really stand its ground...
added on the 2014-11-04 12:20:24 by BoyC BoyC
He's not making a demo, he's making an album.
added on the 2014-11-04 12:23:22 by Gargaj Gargaj