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Why isn't there more demand for demoparties in the UK?

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I believe one of the reasons that Budleigh Salterton was chosen as the party location for Sundown in the past and now for Nova is down to the people who own the hall, ie, the town council.

Very much unlike the vast majority of all kinds of councils in the UK, at Budleigh it is believed that the hall also hosts (or did host) LAN multiplayer gaming events where people got together with their PCs and played most games, ranging from classic multiplayer Quake (from back in the day) to the modern-day titles such as Call of Duty and others beyond this.

They have to be given kudos for this. The ownership of the vast majority of places similar to what we have in Budleigh have severe difficulties even comprehending what a demo party is, for a start. They would also want to have independent people there at the event also, checking that people are not "abusing" the network by downloading porn and / or pro Daesh stuff, as an example. Whilst I for one know that this does NOT happen and has not happened at any more recent party I have been to, I hasten to add, unfortunately tabloid press reporting of larger events such as Insomnia (a large gaming event held in UK) tends to hint otherwise, even if, as we know, it is not true. But that's the tabloids for you, generating their own fake news.

It also appears as though the owners of locations are very restrictive about the kind of events they will hold in their locations. Standard events such as mother&baby clothes sales or maybe some kind of music night, featuring non-controversial artists tend to be the norm.

I would certainly attend a larger event in the UK if one was organized. Maybe it might be worth approaching the current organizers of Insomnia to see if they can slot in a demoscene area, so this could be similar to how Assembly in Finland works, as an idea to jump off from.
added on the 2018-04-18 22:31:31 by Felice Felice
The main issue from talking to a few people is the venue. Finding somewhere in the UK affordable without many restrictions is a issue.

Shamelessness plug I'm running Field-FX at Electromagnetic Field this year. It's a mini demoparty in a tent with the idea to showcase the scene to a wider audience. Anyone going to Electromagnetic Field is welcome to come and if you would like to help please let me know. Site with info coming soon field-fx.party.
As the lead organizer of Récursion and an advisor to Synchrony and also the former lead organizer if @party, I can weigh in more generally that in a big expensive metro area, space can be very hard to get cheaply. What it boils down to is
Have a relationship with a university
Have a relationship with a coworking space or startup incubator
Have a relationship with a hacker/makerspace
Have a relationship with an artist collective or gallery

That is how you do things without breaking the bank.
One other challenge is scheduling not to conflict with other popular events

It sounds like the UK scene can be a bubble at times like the US and Canada scenes, although European sceners show up more often without the organizers paying for their plane trips (:

Be aware of this recruit organizers from within the bubble as well as outside.
Also, be realistic about party size. Step one is have a party. Step two is worry about how big it is. Size doesn't matter, it's what you do with it.
We can't all be Revision, especially in the anglo bubble countries where the arts are seen as a luxury good.

Network, cultivate a base, and just do the thing for the love of it.

Also helps if you know a guy who owns all the compo gear and can run it for you (:
Later, when you burn out on organizing, he can be your heir and put a new spin on things.
added on the 2018-04-19 07:54:54 by metoikos metoikos
reality404: nice! I had a capacity crowd (~15 :) ) for Softbound, a similar sort of thing last summer. Good luck with everything!
added on the 2018-04-19 12:20:39 by cxw cxw
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Soon the demoscene too :-)
added on the 2018-04-19 17:08:06 by Navis Navis
I'm honestly surprised nobody has stated this before because it is actually relevant to the topic:

make a demo about it
added on the 2018-04-19 17:36:12 by sol_hsa sol_hsa
I think that the demoscene is more of a European thing. The USA and the UK seem to be generally 'less into it'. Instead I think the indie game dev scene was more the thing, possibly because of the UK trying to ape the USAs entrepenural bent. I'd also say, sadly, that the UK sees itself less aligned with things European. I've had people tell me that if you can't interact or play with a thing, whats the point?

For the record I've been to revision several times and hope to go to @party as well this year (sadly, I'm missing Nova), but I'd argue demo scening is picking up now in the UK
added on the 2018-04-19 17:51:47 by oni_ oni_
UK is not that much off the line.

i'm no expert but i guess i could count the total number of demoparties ever held in the balkans and in the baltics combined on my 2 hands, yet geographically/culturally it should be a huge thing there as well.

(i might be wrong with my assumption)
added on the 2018-04-19 18:06:44 by nagz nagz
oni_: the UK had one of the largest demoscene footprints in the formative years. ('85-'93) They were regularly part of the European scene for all that time.
added on the 2018-04-19 21:35:23 by 4mat 4mat
Demoscene interest in the UK seems to be mostly focused on oldschool platforms, from my experience. I think the perception people have is that it's too easy to do stuff on a PC these days.
added on the 2018-04-19 21:50:37 by fizzer fizzer
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oni_: the UK had one of the largest demoscene footprints in the formative years. ('85-'93) They were regularly part of the European scene for all that time.


Now that I didn't know (I was quite young then). However it doesn't seem like that now.
added on the 2018-04-19 22:15:14 by oni_ oni_
Navis, you can bet your bottom dollar (or euro) that UK sceners WILL still make it to European demoparties, despite the shitty brexit situation.

I still believe to this day that it won't happen; that the UK will stay within the EU as it is just far too fucking complex to be out of it. We just don't know what is going to happen.
added on the 2018-04-19 23:35:33 by Felice Felice
I believe so and hope so too.
added on the 2018-04-20 00:38:06 by Navis Navis

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