the terror of insomnia

category: general [glöplog]
I actually wanted to stay out of this, but its altso an islamic thing to answer when directly asked.

Yes it is. If people transgress you, pay back imediatly. The reason it is important to incorporate this in your thinking, is that tyrants in true islam never get a chance to rise. They will be beaten down before they have a chance.

Dont confuse this with osama and the likes, because they are killing everybody but those responsible, and that is NOT an islamic thing and illegal.

It says. He who kills another, be it not in the cause of justice (shaira, not oppinion), it is as if he killed the whole people.

Try an figure out what kind of punishment is comming in osama's direction.

Now you might say, that hollowman isnt a tyrant..No he is not, im sure he is a very nice guy. But I have to incorporate this way of thinking into my life, should it ever be needed on a larger scale. Besides, forgiveness is more important. Yes i demand an apology, yes i would have smacked him in the face (not out of anger mind you), but he appologized, so i am truely sorry that i had to threaten him to make him take his words back.

In this case the both of us where to quick. He to make judgement and me to make judgement of him. It was just a misunderstanding, and i should have seen that.

added on the 2004-11-30 19:02:28 by NoahR NoahR
allright. i was just wondering, because outside of islamism it's more or less a natural thing that has its place in any kind of society.

usually it's not intended to stop tyrants from gaining power, once an ego has been violated, the urge of fighting back in whatever way is pretty much normal.
then, there's the question if toes really have been stepped on or not. =) (but you just said that in other words, so i think you got my point)
added on the 2004-11-30 19:20:43 by dalezr dalezr
But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back.

-Luke 6:27-30

Being nice when people hurt you is a Christian thing, actually.
added on the 2004-11-30 19:58:57 by s_tec s_tec
tit for tat sucks. it goes to a neverending bad choice mode against a variant that starts with an offensive move or even itself if they get out of sync for whatever reason.
added on the 2004-11-30 20:15:11 by 216 216
s_tec, don't forget that the Golden Rule is featured in many religions, and it basically forbids not being nice to people. Unfortunately Islam is not one of these religions (as far as I know of)
added on the 2004-11-30 21:04:02 by Preacher Preacher
iblis: I'm jewish. I have nothing to do with the state of israel (I'm a norwegian expat stuck in f***** Denmark). Yet, when I say I'm jewish (by culture, not by belief. I'm a dedicated Turbo-Zen Buddhist) most muslims start hating me and probably want to blow up the bus I'm riding every day. I have never agressed against islam.

You probably don't approve of this since the Quaran more or less explicitly says that other religions should be respected (as they were back in the old days. Islam didn't force itself upon non-muslims, at least not religiously).

What you belive is a matter between you and God. He has commanded muslims to be good to other belivers. You cannot force belive on anyone, but you can make a good example. By following it to point, and thus inviting them by example into the core of Islam :)

I have freinds from all relegions, i hate that they want to worhip what i view as idols, such as the prophets (incl, a lot of muslims). But at the end of the day that is between God and them, and it doesnt make them bad people. God has given us no authority to judge in these matters.
added on the 2004-12-01 19:39:32 by NoahR NoahR
The palestine conflict is completely twisted. a mish mash of zealot relegious schoolars, politics, ethnic clinsing and all kinds of ill shit....on both sides. This is not a war of evil vs. good, but a war of evil, vs evil and caught in the middle is poor innocent people.

I live in F***** Denmark too, where do you live mate? im from Cph :)
added on the 2004-12-01 19:42:28 by NoahR NoahR
I saw many religions, and almost all of them had violent side-effects. Like in this thread. Thinking logically, I decided that all these religions are bad for me, and I got over them.

The only true "god" and "religion" is nature, and its infinite power over all living things. You cannot deny it or defy it, because it surrounds you and includes you. You, me, everyone and everything is nature. Everything is God. And we all have the power to make it good or bad for everyone. The choice is up to you.
added on the 2004-12-01 20:02:45 by moT moT
And that would be...your oppinion mate :)
added on the 2004-12-01 20:12:17 by NoahR NoahR
iblis: Århus. Only good things here are thorsten and some other demodudes. And I'm terribly fed up with danish pop music from the 80s already :)

mot: the only true religion is what you believe in. Just don't let it make trouble for other people.

Of course.

The thing is, it just saddens me to see my companions becoming violent over who believes in the best (man made) religion. And that was the reason for my post.
added on the 2004-12-01 20:17:06 by moT moT
Mot noone became aggressive over the issue of relegion. I felt aggressed towards verbally, and reacted on it, as is my duty. As far as im concerned noone got hurt, so what is the problem?

As for the manmade part. You obviously know little to nothing about relegion, if you judge it merely by its followers-
added on the 2004-12-01 20:22:31 by NoahR NoahR
Iblis: I am not going to point fingers. I don't do that. But this thread experienced tension. There were threats and mockery. And the topic which created this was religion. And the participants were all humans (no divine entity intervened). And it is not a problem. It just saddens me to experience that.

As for the manmade part, I am sorry to inform you that this too is my opinion. And I fail to see any way that any of us two is going to convice the other about the opposite.
added on the 2004-12-01 20:34:48 by moT moT
Religion or Wikipedia..the result is the same on pouet...hmmm :D
Im not trying to, just pointing out your apparent lack of knowledge on the subjct. What got this off track was malecheuvinism.
added on the 2004-12-01 20:37:55 by NoahR NoahR
Iblis: If that is so, I would also like to point out your apparent lack of knowledge on Brazilian soap operas :-)
added on the 2004-12-01 21:02:54 by moT moT
added on the 2004-12-01 21:04:25 by skypher skypher
Mot, im not oppinionating against brazzilian soap operas mate. but you are against relegion, without proper knowledge. It's not a critique, but rather an invitation, to look at the different ones before you pass judgement.

oppinionating =CANCER
added on the 2004-12-01 21:26:24 by NoahR NoahR
added on the 2004-12-01 23:29:18 by uncle-x uncle-x
I'm sorry I caused all that CANCER. I didn't realize it was such a hideous disease.

I'm sorry I caused all that throat cancer and all that bowel cancer. I was just on a roll . . .

I won't do it again.
added on the 2004-12-01 23:45:47 by radman1 radman1
at least you're not religious (or are you?!)
added on the 2004-12-01 23:53:35 by havoc havoc
Religion or Wikipedia..the result is the same on pouet...hmmm :D
Why whine about your insomnia, use the extra time you get and stop thinking about that you realy need to sleep because you should sleep.
So get out of bed realy quite and dont disturb your wife, get your laptop or whatever and start producing.

Religion + Forum/BBS/Whatever = offtopic at once, always.
And yes, I do reject reality and substitute it with my own. :>
added on the 2004-12-02 01:19:01 by Kaustic Kaustic
just another endless night in front of the computer,
so i read this entire thread and now i wish i had not..
added on the 2004-12-02 02:02:14 by madMixx madMixx