Concrete / Ephidrena won't run on real amiga...?!

category: general [glöplog]
raver: Yes, I've tried it both ways, but it bugs even with "boot with no startup-sequence" -> setpatch -> run. In fact, to make absolutely sure, I'll do it again right now...

...FUCK ME! FUCK ME UP MY ASS! It works. Geezus fucking christ.

Never mind. Let the "Trixter is a moron" jokes commence.
added on the 2005-05-03 05:57:25 by trixter trixter
s'il vous plait :)
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added on the 2005-05-03 06:13:20 by havoc havoc
AHA! I have redeemed myself! I just rebooted and couldn't reproduce it, and then rebooted 12 fucking times and FINALLY it works again. So it wasn't me after all, it was the code.

So, loaderror gets a double fucking because 1. he's probably checking for "row=0" when he should be checking for "row>=0" (the reason effects miss the signal to go to the next one), and 2. not telling me that hitting leftmousebutton will advance to the next section so I could fix it myself anyway, which I also just now figured out. AFTER the 12 reboots. Argh.

I find it amazing that people who can create such beautiful code can make such boneheaded mistakes :-)
added on the 2005-05-03 06:21:08 by trixter trixter
hey trixter.. if you continue like this you will find the hidden part :) just make sure you don't get that one on the dvd :)
added on the 2005-05-03 08:52:22 by leijaa leijaa
I thought it was Concrete / Contraz? (he he he he ... ;(((( )

Ah, I believe you're confusing the Man with ephidrena's tribute-demo to the Man ;)
added on the 2005-05-03 11:04:39 by Betong Betong
"It runs OS3.9 because I was told that OS3.9 has native support for accelerators (I don't have any sort of driver disks or anything for the accelerator)."

.. BUT you *DO* have the correct 68040.library and 68060.library installed for your card, right? This is *important*.

What sort of card is it? There are loads of install disks for this stuff here:

added on the 2005-05-03 11:15:39 by xeron xeron
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added on the 2005-05-03 12:19:57 by ghandy ghandy
Trixter: i wrote this useless message just to tell you that i read everyday your blog...and i can't wait for this DVD !

You rule, man :D
added on the 2005-05-03 14:03:43 by orb orb
I think it has something to do with catching timing events outside the interrupt or something. Sometimes another event overwrites an unprocessed one before it has a chance.. Some amigas are not man enough to push some extra clock cycles when challenged by some real dope shit. Good thing you do all the capturing on the real stuff though. These new UAE kids should learn to keep it real yaknowamnsayn!!
added on the 2005-05-03 14:46:46 by loaderror loaderror
loaderror: so what you're telling us is that your synch-code sucks major ass?
he is norwegian, why make ruling synch code when you already have oil and culturally accepted seal bashing?
added on the 2005-05-03 15:38:16 by psenough psenough
to avoid getting nagged by people with weird configs...
nagger bashing still isnt culturally accepted.. :(
Leia: Hidden part? Tell me what it is, because we want to include ALL hidden parts on the DVD. Hidden, of course. (Probably shouldn't have said that... oh well)

xeron: OS3.9 doesn't need 68060.library -- it seems to work well and is detected and enabled. OS3.5, it isn't, so I'll need to find the library if I ever run OS3.5.

orb: Neither can I :-) The delay was, in a weird way, beneficial because it allowed our tiny budget to take advantage of drops in prices of pro gear.

loaderrer: Yes, the goal for the DVD was NO EMULATION because WinUAE is still not 100%. And nothing emulates Amiga *AUDIO* properly IMO, not even WinUAE. I do very little to the native Amiga audio output and it sounds great.
added on the 2005-05-03 17:47:48 by trixter trixter

OS3.9 does need a 68060.library, as far as I understand it. Although it may install some "default" exception handlers and what-have-you, it has always been important to have the CORRECT libraries installed for your card for optimum performance. I never read anywhere that this changed with OS3.9. The Apollo libraries are different to the blizzard or cyberstorm ones, for example.
added on the 2005-05-03 18:05:10 by xeron xeron
xeron: Maybe this is why some demos don't seem as fast as they should... Assuming I can figure out what I have (I think cyberstorm), is it as simple as copying the library into :lib or is there something else I have to do?
added on the 2005-05-03 18:24:59 by trixter trixter

Yeah, copy 68040.library *and* 68060.library into libs: (just to be sure ;-). Setpatch will load them.

There was a page with updated libs for cyberstorm, but I can't remember where it was now.
added on the 2005-05-03 18:56:37 by xeron xeron
secret part is left mouse (or right) in the credits part
added on the 2005-05-03 19:27:44 by loaderror loaderror
Much thanks to everyone, gentlemen.
added on the 2005-05-03 22:29:34 by trixter trixter
i've read the blog;it's a real shame that you have a Revision D motherboard on your A4000;that seems to be pretty rare.
I've read your post on the Amiga.org and the guy who respond you ,Framiga, is a friend of mine :)...

I hope that you can solve this prob...good luck mi friend :D
added on the 2005-05-05 12:23:21 by orb orb
I don't think there is a solution -- A4000cr rev D motherboard doesn't have a 50MHz crystal, plain and simple :-( So now I need to find a rev B board somewhere... yeah, right, good luck... :-/
added on the 2005-05-05 19:04:09 by trixter trixter
I think A1200 would be actually a good choice for running "modern" AGA demos instead of A4000 (if you're planning to get another one for whatsoever reason). I've had nearly no compability problems with A1200 what comes to AGA stuff, all you need is a decent turbo like Blizzard 060 and enough ram (32Mb should do it).

I have actually one spare A1200 I could donate for this project, but unfortunately only one 060 turbo, which I definitely want to keep. :)
added on the 2005-05-05 20:21:56 by melw melw
how about pestering ryg for a .kkapture amiga port? :))
added on the 2005-05-05 22:10:30 by Gargaj Gargaj
melw: I understand completely :-) but not to worry, I think I've located another A4000 rev b. motherboard (that the project can afford :-) so stay tuned to the blog for updates. I've put the A4000cr Rev D machine back together and will probably store it for now.

Gargaj: You laugh, but it is exactly that type of process that will put one or more PPC demos on the DVD ;-)

Again, thanks to everyone!! Since the project is stalled for a few days, I think I'll work on my 8088 coding for some fun.
added on the 2005-05-06 06:05:30 by trixter trixter
>I think I'll work on my 8088 coding for some fun.

Urgh :)
added on the 2005-05-06 08:23:02 by orb orb
Melw: No need to use an A1200. My Amiga 4000 works perfectly except that weird player bug. But as far as the coder is using the fixed routine (and the demos are not older than 5-6 years) everything works without any problems...
added on the 2005-05-06 11:39:26 by ghandy ghandy