Breakpoint 2006
category: general [glöplog]
Scamp: I am talking about public interest not for selfish reasons.
Next to that MAWI demos are always quite
a happening.
Next to that MAWI demos are always quite
a happening.
scamp, ryg: thanks for the confirmation!
magic, put a sock in it already... plz kthx? if not, i'm going to start a similarly boring and pointless campaign to get an atari falcon compo listed... ugh.
magic, put a sock in it already... plz kthx? if not, i'm going to start a similarly boring and pointless campaign to get an atari falcon compo listed... ugh.
besides.. is magic coming? he better will..
Can you give me some reasons to convince my creators to sponsor me a trip to Breakpoint?
xernobyl: Hmmm... it's the demoparty of the year where you can meet most of the elite sceners you only know from demos and maybe from irc. It's just like star search. ;)
Normally Magic goes on my nerves with his desires, but in this case he is correct. Why don't you establish a
seperate contest for all sort of miggy demos which refuse to run on a classical Amiga?? If you receive some demos, then the hardware from all of them (Amiga one, pegasos and ppc) are more or less compareable when it comes to their strength. And in case you receive nothing, just cancel this contest.
Is somebody lke Chaos/FR, who has left the Amiga Scene lightyears ago the right person to decide something like that? I'd say no even if I respect him for what he did many years ago!!
And sorry for permitting myself to speak freely. As I don't plan to code a ppc demo either you would surely prefer it more that I keep calm, don't you? ;-(
seperate contest for all sort of miggy demos which refuse to run on a classical Amiga?? If you receive some demos, then the hardware from all of them (Amiga one, pegasos and ppc) are more or less compareable when it comes to their strength. And in case you receive nothing, just cancel this contest.
Is somebody lke Chaos/FR, who has left the Amiga Scene lightyears ago the right person to decide something like that? I'd say no even if I respect him for what he did many years ago!!
And sorry for permitting myself to speak freely. As I don't plan to code a ppc demo either you would surely prefer it more that I keep calm, don't you? ;-(
The PPC and Pegasos are not that established and/or special to get a whole compo imho. But just enter real wild with all the funky hardware.. that seems fair to me.
and it's ofcourse insanely unfair to have a PPC or pegasos entry in the 'normal' amiga compo.. or is that just me?
xernobyl: there is almost no girl!
pegasos isnt a amiga so its no question that it belongs into the real wild compo.
excluding pure amiga ppc releases on the other hand is without much sense.
its like forcing a platform to go back 5 years in time...
excluding pure amiga ppc releases on the other hand is without much sense.
its like forcing a platform to go back 5 years in time...
Madenmann:
Yes, I'm so looking forward to meet you MadenMann \o/
hehehehehehehe
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Hmmm... it's the demoparty of the year where you can meet most of the elite sceners you only know from demos and maybe from irc. It's just like star search.
Yes, I'm so looking forward to meet you MadenMann \o/
hehehehehehehe
If i would make a demo on a 386 sx 25, should I enter that in the pc demo compo or in the real wild? hmm..
okkie; is it an amstrad megapc you're coding on?
PPC is NOT amiga, so yeah, having only 68k-entries in the compo makes it more fair anyway as only real amigademos can compete :)
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OMG Amstrad Mega PC!!! Send it to me, I'll give you my address. I'm still searching for one of these goodies.okkie; is it an amstrad megapc you're coding on?
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I am not an atomic superhero.Yes, I'm so looking forward to meet you MadenMann \o/
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I am not an atomic superhero.
only because we forgot to maintain a certain ritual at tum.
Ok, let's become serious. This year I'm not a BP organizier which allows me to insult you while I try to serve you some clues.
BP 2003 - please count all Amiga PPC entries.
BP 2004 - please count all Amiga PPC entries.
BP 2005 - please count all Amiga PPC entries.
You will notice there were more Amiga 500 entries last year than for Amiga PPC and the number of the Atari XL entries was the same as the number of Amiga PPC entries.
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Wrong. Magic is still a clueless person who doesn't even own an PPC-Amiga. Some people think he doesn't have an Amiga at all.Normally Magic goes on my nerves with his desires, but in this case he is correct.
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This task is easy, I've learned a lot from scamp - take some statistics and use them like you need them:Why don't you establish a seperate contest for all sort of miggy demos which refuse to run on a classical Amiga??
BP 2003 - please count all Amiga PPC entries.
BP 2004 - please count all Amiga PPC entries.
BP 2005 - please count all Amiga PPC entries.
You will notice there were more Amiga 500 entries last year than for Amiga PPC and the number of the Atari XL entries was the same as the number of Amiga PPC entries.
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Since he's an organizer... YES. It's not that scamp wasn't on the search for Amiga compo organizers, but the rule of equality of alll organizers seems to frighten Amiga people. "Come on wednesday or thursday morning, leave at tuesday." OMG! THIS INCLUDES REAL WORK!!!!Is somebody lke Chaos/FR, who has left the Amiga Scene lightyears ago the right person to decide something like that?
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I had a look at the breakpoint survey and guess what, the answers for "this is all amiga", "this is amiga but that is not" and "no, that isn't amiga" are nearly equal distributed, with a small "no, that isn't amiga". So what? Even the Amiga scene can't give a good answer for that problem and the real wild compo is still open. Maybe there'll be 5 PPC demos at one party someday, then it is time for a PPC competition.excluding pure amiga ppc releases on the other hand is without much sense.
its like forcing a platform to go back 5 years in time...
About the PPC/Pegasos/other-generic-fake-amiga issue:
1, They're not amigas
2. They never win anyway
3. I agree with the organizers on this issue even when I'm not in flame-mode.
jeenio & Raven: keep feeding the swede...
1, They're not amigas
2. They never win anyway
3. I agree with the organizers on this issue even when I'm not in flame-mode.
jeenio & Raven: keep feeding the swede...
maden you dont get it.
a amiga with a blizzard ppc ist a fucking amiga not a obscure other platform.
so excluding releases who use a accelerator card and run with the same old OS is indeed stupid.
just read it from my lips im talking about a fucking little acccelerator card who is in use since 10 years and not about obscure platforms like pegasos who claim to have something to do with a amiga.
and if you arent able to ask a crystal clear question you dont need to wonder about the answers in your survey who was originally just introduced coz mawi released a pegasos demo at a amiga compo.
a amiga with a blizzard ppc ist a fucking amiga not a obscure other platform.
so excluding releases who use a accelerator card and run with the same old OS is indeed stupid.
just read it from my lips im talking about a fucking little acccelerator card who is in use since 10 years and not about obscure platforms like pegasos who claim to have something to do with a amiga.
and if you arent able to ask a crystal clear question you dont need to wonder about the answers in your survey who was originally just introduced coz mawi released a pegasos demo at a amiga compo.
Well, what madenmann said ;)
ghandy: The main issue behind all this is: We already have too many competitions. Look at last years timetable. Every single hour of it was filled with a compo, and event or a seminar. IIRC Breakpoint already is the party with the highest number of compos in the scene. (And on a side note, less important: Having to distribute all the prize money/hardware into so many compos makes the prizes in each compos look quite small compared to other parties).
So there is a very basic rule of thumb in Breakpoint organizing: If we want to add another competition, then an existing competition has to be dropped. As all competitions we currently run are very successful, this isn't a task that can easily happen. To add a new competition, we need to be sure it will be more popular/relevant then the one we are dropping for it.
Regarding PPC this means: There most probably is no "market" for a PPC competiton at Breakpoint. Holding a compo for at maximum one single entry doesn't make sense. It's not a competition then, and it's no fun for the visitors nor creators.
So the only realistic way to have PPC outside of real wild is what we had during the last years: Allow PPC in the Amiga compo. But as our survey (and the reaction here) shows, at least 50% of the Scene thinks PPC isn't really Amiga. And what's more: Non-standard Amiga hardware has been a real PITA during the last years for the compo orgas in charge, causing lots of headaches and internal delays.
So, let's sum this up:
- The Amiga PPC scene seems to be mostly inactive these days
- We didn't have a single PPC-(not Pegasos)-entry in the Compo in 2005
- A slight majority of the scene does not want to see PPC in the Amiga compo because they think it's unfair
- So far nobody has complained in a "I wanted to do a PPC demo for Breakpoint, and I don't want to go it into the real wild compo" kind of way
Now you know the logical reasons behind our decision, and looking at it again I still think it makes a lot of sense.
ghandy: The main issue behind all this is: We already have too many competitions. Look at last years timetable. Every single hour of it was filled with a compo, and event or a seminar. IIRC Breakpoint already is the party with the highest number of compos in the scene. (And on a side note, less important: Having to distribute all the prize money/hardware into so many compos makes the prizes in each compos look quite small compared to other parties).
So there is a very basic rule of thumb in Breakpoint organizing: If we want to add another competition, then an existing competition has to be dropped. As all competitions we currently run are very successful, this isn't a task that can easily happen. To add a new competition, we need to be sure it will be more popular/relevant then the one we are dropping for it.
Regarding PPC this means: There most probably is no "market" for a PPC competiton at Breakpoint. Holding a compo for at maximum one single entry doesn't make sense. It's not a competition then, and it's no fun for the visitors nor creators.
So the only realistic way to have PPC outside of real wild is what we had during the last years: Allow PPC in the Amiga compo. But as our survey (and the reaction here) shows, at least 50% of the Scene thinks PPC isn't really Amiga. And what's more: Non-standard Amiga hardware has been a real PITA during the last years for the compo orgas in charge, causing lots of headaches and internal delays.
So, let's sum this up:
- The Amiga PPC scene seems to be mostly inactive these days
- We didn't have a single PPC-(not Pegasos)-entry in the Compo in 2005
- A slight majority of the scene does not want to see PPC in the Amiga compo because they think it's unfair
- So far nobody has complained in a "I wanted to do a PPC demo for Breakpoint, and I don't want to go it into the real wild compo" kind of way
Now you know the logical reasons behind our decision, and looking at it again I still think it makes a lot of sense.
What is the big problem?
Want to release a demo on Pegasos, AmigaOne, or Amiga PPC? Stick it in real wild.
EASY. NO PROBLEMO. STOP BITCHING.
(and i'm speaking as someone who owns an A4000 with CyberstormPPC, and an AmigaOne...)
Want to release a demo on Pegasos, AmigaOne, or Amiga PPC? Stick it in real wild.
EASY. NO PROBLEMO. STOP BITCHING.
(and i'm speaking as someone who owns an A4000 with CyberstormPPC, and an AmigaOne...)
maden you dont get it.
a amiga with a blizzard ppc ist a fucking amiga not a obscure other platform.
so excluding releases who use a accelerator card and run with the same old OS is indeed stupid.
just read it from my lips im talking about a fucking little acccelerator card who is in use since 10 years and not about obscure platforms like pegasos who claim to have something to do with a amiga.
and if you arent able to ask a crystal clear question you dont need to wonder about the answers in your survey who was originally just introduced coz mawi released a pegasos demo at a amiga compo.
a amiga with a blizzard ppc ist a fucking amiga not a obscure other platform.
so excluding releases who use a accelerator card and run with the same old OS is indeed stupid.
just read it from my lips im talking about a fucking little acccelerator card who is in use since 10 years and not about obscure platforms like pegasos who claim to have something to do with a amiga.
and if you arent able to ask a crystal clear question you dont need to wonder about the answers in your survey who was originally just introduced coz mawi released a pegasos demo at a amiga compo.
and that's the end of that!
@xeNusion
If I made a PCI card with a G5 card on it, and sold 10000 of them, that doesn't mean you could enter a PC demo that used this card in the PC compo.
If the compo machine doesn't have one, you simply wouldn't be allowed to use it.
Also, since only a minority of PC owning sceners would have my special card, its highly unlikely the compo machine would have one.
If I made a PCI card with a G5 card on it, and sold 10000 of them, that doesn't mean you could enter a PC demo that used this card in the PC compo.
If the compo machine doesn't have one, you simply wouldn't be allowed to use it.
Also, since only a minority of PC owning sceners would have my special card, its highly unlikely the compo machine would have one.
I thot the PPC amiga blew up that was used for previous compos.
I swore I read that.
Anyway, There will be Amiga entries, they will be better than 90% of the PC entries, and for some reason they'll be shown first, not second. Oh wait, that's so I can remember them and not be so drunk I forget what aether looks like.
Now if the Amiga compos were cancelled, you KNOW we'd raise a stink (: They weren't, we're able to deal with constraints, and this just means that we'll have killer Amiga demos that don't run on a PPC. Which is prolly better cuz it's really f*n hard to find a good, working PPC card these days. (I said working.)
I swore I read that.
Anyway, There will be Amiga entries, they will be better than 90% of the PC entries, and for some reason they'll be shown first, not second. Oh wait, that's so I can remember them and not be so drunk I forget what aether looks like.
Now if the Amiga compos were cancelled, you KNOW we'd raise a stink (: They weren't, we're able to deal with constraints, and this just means that we'll have killer Amiga demos that don't run on a PPC. Which is prolly better cuz it's really f*n hard to find a good, working PPC card these days. (I said working.)
