poll: dx10 or good old 9 ?

category: general [glöplog]
You don't need to get on AGA discussions back in 1993; PC had its share of it too:


"We bougth a 486 DX-50, why code for 386?"
- Mr.H / Triton, 1993

added on the 2009-01-27 08:48:00 by Jcl Jcl
Yes, but in this case you can use OpenGL and just ignore the whole issue =)
added on the 2009-01-27 09:07:19 by sol_hsa sol_hsa
sol: you can, if you're a masochist.
added on the 2009-01-27 09:13:56 by kusma kusma
OpenGL 2 or OpenGL 3 ?
added on the 2009-01-27 09:19:01 by Wiz Wiz
opengl es 2 ftw!
and yes, dx 10 is just too little penetration for too few features.

added on the 2009-01-27 09:48:56 by shiva shiva
opengl 3 if supported, other than this i am slowly moving to dx9 and thus becoming m$'s ass-kisser. but, well dx10 is not something i'd like to touch now, maybe dx11 if 7 is good enough.
added on the 2009-01-27 10:09:37 by decipher decipher
Decipher: You can run Win7 with DX10 today if you want to. There's no point in waiting for DX11.
added on the 2009-01-27 10:36:11 by kusma kusma
well one could argue that 60fps makes things look prettier, no?

dx9 btw. too lazy to port as well (as if i ever make demos these days).
added on the 2009-01-27 11:00:50 by superplek superplek
this thread really shows how conservative the demoscene really is.

we think we are pushing the limits of what is possible, but that was long time ago, now we are just imitating other demos/games and are to afraid to try the newest technology, because it's not practical or fewer are able to watch it realtime(i don't understand that argument really, i think its a load of bullcrap). I make demos for my own sake, and so does everybody else. Fuck portability (unless we're getting paid ofcourse).

waiting to win7 and dx 11 is just plain out stupid.

added on the 2009-01-27 11:43:53 by quisten quisten
So because nobody wants to touch Vista with a ten foot pole the scene is conservative all of a sudden...

something else that's stupid: you judging people's choice of hardware, API and desired target audience.

the demoscene not being the frontrunner in realtime mmedia/cg development anymore is old news too. but hey, it doesn't have to be. things change, the scope has shifted.

going to piss on amiga coders for being conservative pricks too? it's not just about technical innovation. not anymore.
added on the 2009-01-27 11:52:37 by superplek superplek
niels you just defended amiga coders. what the HELL has happened to you?
lol @ Niels.

For me demoscene is also about pushing the limits of existing/older technology, which is what few people (maybe game console software-developers) do anymore. As in getting the most out of: C64, Amiga, VGA, DX9, whatever...

Also I'm not changing to Vista, but will wait for Windows 7 too, as probably lots of people do. So no DX10 for me.
added on the 2009-01-27 12:05:04 by raer raer
For me, this demoscene thing is a nice audience to post whatever-you-feel-like-doing to =).

I still have a shader-based 3d engine on my TODO list, but I've been distracted by lots of other nifty things I can do, things that generally speaking don't require anything higher than dx7 (or, since microsoft recently dropped backwards compatibility with dx7, it's probably best to say OpenGL 1.1)..
added on the 2009-01-27 12:17:33 by sol_hsa sol_hsa
quisten: so just because I'd like to spare my hands from touching the pile of shit called Vista and ironically me trying to do what you are saying we're not doing anymore (using the latest technology and be brave enough to be not afraid of experimenting with the bleeding-edge) i am suddenly doing something "just plain out stupid" [sic.]?

*sigh*, maybe we should put that "read my comment to me" button like youtube did here on pouet too.
added on the 2009-01-27 12:30:20 by decipher decipher
For me demoscene is also about pushing the limits of existing/older technology, which is what few people (maybe game console software-developers) do anymore. As in getting the most out of: C64, Amiga, VGA, DX9, whatever...

fair option if you're into pushing technology. btw current gen (and whatever was current before or will be current in the future) gameconsoles often are crippled by all sorts of limitations as well. so it does apply in that field too.

everyone just do whatever you like.
added on the 2009-01-27 12:34:36 by superplek superplek
I agree with quisten that the scene in general is quite conservative, and has been so for quite a while. However, I have the impression that people are so used to watching video-captures that they don't have to "touch Vista with a 5 inch pole" to watch the demos those of us who doesn't mind. How people decide to make their own demos is their own business. I mean, people seem to love zx-spectrum demos or even DIY-hardware demos these days.

But people, oh! Come ON! What's the deal with all the Vista-hate? It works perfectly fine for me, and I find it a lot better than XP. What's so different between you peoples' experience from mine? It's an operating system after all, how can you attach so much emotion to it? It's just supposed to sit there in the back and make sure your programs works reasonably well. And for me Vista does that just fine, while enabling a few more options.

On an unrelated note, I did find niels' Jerry Springer stylee "DONT JUGDE ME, BITCH"-reply quite humorous ;)
added on the 2009-01-27 12:37:15 by kusma kusma
as an aside - hands up whos tried vista seriously recently, turned off the major irritants like UAC and the fancy gui, and still found massive problems with it compared to xp?
(and hands up whos basing their opinions on some blogs as usual... :) )

ive got vista on my laptop (not by choice admittedly). its perhaps a little bit heavier on the mem usage etc but otherwise i havent noticed much diference.

added on the 2009-01-27 12:39:15 by smash smash
kusma: hey, you beat me to it!
added on the 2009-01-27 12:39:52 by smash smash
and with my status being inactive i wasnt even being judged :)

about the vista thing; i worked on a vista pc (ps3 dev) for a bit and it appeared to be a bit tardy and i didnt like the explorer that much at first. also sony was stupid and their sdk win32 apps did not work properly for a while.

xp64 at the office (not my choice, it dept. does that) is quite tardy too, even with heaps of ram installed.

xp at home. no need/time to change it -- not much other reason to it.
added on the 2009-01-27 12:43:42 by superplek superplek
Agree on the 'vista is no longer shit' thing.

That said, i'm still not touching it with one of those five inch poles.. 90% of my windows use is in vmware, and running a couple of vms with vista would mean i need 8gb of ram or something crazy.

If i had a general use pc, i'd put vista on.
added on the 2009-01-27 12:44:23 by psonice psonice
I have. I have two machines, a desktop and a laptop with vista (fortunately I don't have to do much work on either). They were both seriously broken as they came out of the factory line (it is a dell and a laptop). I've turned off all this UAC and gui junk, but they still feel super sluggish (for example I press the start button and it takes on average 4 secs to open the window; I get random crashes on firefox, explorer and visual studio). Maybe the latest vista service packs have sorted these problems, or it is a hardware problem, I don't know. As a token user who just paid xxx amount of pounds to dell and HP I'm seriously dissappointed...

added on the 2009-01-27 12:46:07 by Navis Navis
hp, you could've known.
dell.. i dunno, i have very mixed feelings about their product line :)
added on the 2009-01-27 12:48:03 by superplek superplek
navis: you really need a fast pc for it, and it really was a pile of shit when it launched. With the service packs and recent drivers it *should* be ok.. general pc random issues aside.
added on the 2009-01-27 12:48:18 by psonice psonice
I tried Vista and I hated the explorer and that it seemed really slow. I didn't bother turning off all the crap/bling that makes vista vista though... Still. Imo there's no reason for changing from XP to Vista.
added on the 2009-01-27 12:50:45 by raer raer