Music disks vs. Weblabels

category: general [glöplog]
Now this is a topic for all of us interested in tracked music. My question is: What is the most important force in current tracked music - weblabels or music disks as we see them released on Pouët?

In my opinion, nowaday's weblabels aren't worth a dime for the tracking scene. With only a few exceptions, they distribute bland, low-quality music. The ones that might be halfway good are also quite inactive.
Of course you might say, "there's still those big labels such as Mono". But please, can anybody tell me what they have to do with the scene, mostly distributing utterly boring IDM MP3's created by people who have never even seen a tracking program?

It is in music disks that we see nowaday's talented tracking musicians distribute their tracks, and rarely anywhere else (demoparties and internet compos have to be mentioned, though).

Same opinion as me? Or do they exist after all, weblabels putting out quality tracked music?
added on the 2003-06-26 02:16:05 by vhiiula vhiiula
We get a few new things at Nectarine from trackers - tho we do seem to get a zillion remixes as well. But I'd say the majority of the good QUALITY ones come from scene releases - tracker disks and the like.

I've never seen a good weblabel that wasn't related to the scene in some way. Ever.
I only listen to music disks. Personally, I hate downloading huge mp3's onto my machine. I like getting an hour or two of quality music in a single, slim package. Music disk interfaces rock, too.
added on the 2003-06-26 07:31:24 by s_tec s_tec
Let's exterminate non-tracker users, they don't have the right to call themselves sceners. Even if they started tracking before ourselves! And of those who track, only those who do chip-music and 80s synthpop are keeping it real! RIIIGHT.
added on the 2003-06-26 08:42:56 by _-_-__ _-_-__
word. ;)
added on the 2003-06-26 09:14:41 by funktion funktion
Slightly off subject, but i want to track some music. Last tracker I seriously used was MED on amiga, so i'm a bit out of touch.

I could do with a fairly modern tracker of some kind, preferably with some kind of scripting features? And maybe built-in or plug-in synths too. Any ideas?
added on the 2003-06-26 10:17:58 by psonice psonice
Oh yes, and chip disks almost always rock. And no, i can't remember any web labels that were any good, other than sites offering free tracks from commercial groups and nectarine, which don't count.
added on the 2003-06-26 10:19:20 by psonice psonice

- buzz (discontinued, but still very popular),
- psycle (open source, updated regulary),
- renoise (commercial, the version without wave writer/asio is for free).
- modplug tracker (slightly outdated, but has its strong points)

Skale and madtracker 2 might be options too.
added on the 2003-06-26 10:26:36 by tomaes tomaes
Well I think music released on weblabels are much better quality than usual tracker-tunes. And many of the best weblabels have their roots in tracking scene (oldies like mono and tdr for example). Of course nowadays they don't release any tracked tunes, because tracked music just sucks when it comes to technical quality of the tunes. I believe most artists that release music on weblabels has started with trackers and then moved on to better tools.

Besides most of the music disks today are chipdisks, with only few good tunes. Chiptunes does get a bit boring and annoying on a long run.

And in case you haven't noticed there are also other than idm-labels ;)
added on the 2003-06-26 11:02:49 by teel teel
sir garbage truck: there are shitloads of good quality netlabels who dont have roots in the scene. im talking mp3 here not mods. mod labels tend to follow the "scene" more.

tomaes: on past week buzz got new overloader, bugfixed pvst version, 5 new dynamics machines, a new midi sync machine and a new recorder.
please, if you dont even know the tracker stfu.

big part of labels not releasing mods is couz the trackers evolved into the vst age. how the hell would the common user have all the vsts used to load the track? (not to mention the cpu horsepower to play it properly. recording to a wav, mastering and encoding seems like a way better option to me.

dont get me wrong, i love chiptunes, musicdisks with cute interfaces, 8bit music files and all of that but there is a reason for ppl having gone mp3 and its not not just HD's beeing cheaper these days.
added on the 2003-06-26 11:37:47 by psenough psenough
are there still any pure tracking-labels out there?
can't say i saw any since 2000 ..
added on the 2003-06-26 11:55:30 by dalezr dalezr
dalezy: the only ones i can remember right now also release mp3 but i think there should be some mod only labels out there still. arent there demogroups releasing software rendered demos only too? :D
added on the 2003-06-26 12:31:43 by psenough psenough
_rohformat for instance has got roots in trackers bigtime. although we do release mp3's these days to be compatible to a broader range of people, most of use buzztracker.
added on the 2003-06-26 12:33:27 by rpfr rpfr
ps, *yawn* I rather suggest you to "stfu". I'm not talking about some bloody plugins or exe patches, I'm talking about the main code and new features of the host.
added on the 2003-06-26 16:31:28 by tomaes tomaes
tomaes: check what the overloader does and enables to do for other developers...
added on the 2003-06-26 18:08:58 by psenough psenough
Ok, then we both have a point. It has been discontinued by Oskari, but you still can have new features.
added on the 2003-06-26 19:28:32 by tomaes tomaes
ps: Ok I'm game, where are the lists of netlabels kept?
bohema, moods, liquid skies and rno are still releasing some tracked stuff...
added on the 2003-06-26 20:36:24 by dipswitch dipswitch
added on the 2003-06-26 20:48:28 by _-_-__ _-_-__
checking a netlabels links page to other netlabels recursively can get you to the oddest places.

there is always some artist who released a guest release on one label and is friends with the owner of some other label who has gotten something reviewed in this site which lists another webartist which released in some other netlabel that no one on our demoscene "scene" apparently ever heard about.

there is always one more label out there putting out nice stuff, i keep finding new ones every month.. :)
some arent even aware till recently that such a thing as a netlabel scene exists (not to mention the demoscene), they just been putting out their friends music online and doing some cheap cdr sellout couz its too expensive to put it out on record..

hmm, there should be an active netlabel scene releases reviewer site again.. noerror is pretty known on the netlabel scene but some labels still dont know about it or bother to use it, it also fails to give reviews and hints on the best of the new stuff around..
added on the 2003-06-26 21:25:54 by psenough psenough
I guess maybe I overlap some groups as more 'scene' than some others - I consider moods to be a scene label...

But I forgot, noerror, stupid of me...