sweden said no to the empire

category: general [glöplog]
yes we did, we dont want no federal government, we dont want a federation from the icesea in the north, the mediterranean in the south, the atlantic in the west and russia in the east. we dont want a new superpower, in fact, we want one less. this autumn the european parlament will vote on the new european constitution, in which we will have a president, a joint military force, common taxes and so forth. we dont want this empire. politicians are dreamers, eagerly trying to build bigger systems, we are all young ppl here, with new ideas, unafraid of changes, but this change is for the worse. intenational cooperation is wonderful, and something sweden has been devoted to for decades. but this is not the same thing. in due time, sweden will have the euro, hopefully, by then, the direction and aim of the union has been changed.
added on the 2003-09-15 10:31:53 by sigge sigge
i've got enough joints to be called a military force myself \o/
added on the 2003-09-15 10:36:59 by stil stil
then join the united states of europe military, "its an adventure! (yes we'll find a gulf of our own)"
added on the 2003-09-15 10:39:48 by sigge sigge
scandi-fools (tm)
added on the 2003-09-15 10:44:36 by superplek superplek
I think it was sad personally. Now sweden is on america's list of rogue states, and will be invaded after iran. 18 months, and you'll be digging for oil as punishment for being a terrorist sigge.
added on the 2003-09-15 10:45:53 by psonice psonice
everyone says:"USA is the only superpower on the planet, they do what they want, we need a second superpower!"
now that you get it, you still complain.
added on the 2003-09-15 10:57:56 by wasiliy wasiliy
... waiting for china to get its act together ...
added on the 2003-09-15 11:24:19 by uncle-x uncle-x
I'd rather live under usa domination than prc domination, having visited china. It seems to be moving towards a nice combination of lack of rights/freedom, and serious greed + commercialism. At least usa has more freedom, if you resist the brainwashing.

But yes, china will balance usa more i hope in the future. While europe falls apart because 10 countries want the eu to decide the shape of a banana, and 10 want their own goverment to decide it.
added on the 2003-09-15 11:40:46 by psonice psonice
swedes are paranoid it seems
Don't blame me, I voted yes.
added on the 2003-09-15 12:05:12 by a_lee_n a_lee_n
As a swede i totally disagree with sigge. I really dont see why we should have voted at all. As a member of EU we should ofcourse use EURO as every other country.
Some swedes have not understood that it wont get cheaper to join EMU later.
added on the 2003-09-15 13:38:54 by dwangi dwangi
and some yes-voters havent understood that some of those who voted against EMU did it because they dont want sweden to become what ECB wants us to become.Also I hope the politicians have now learned that you dont make people change their minds by saying that they are nationalists, afraid of changes or just stupid. There were valid arguments for voting no, and people where fully capable of finding them
added on the 2003-09-15 14:11:48 by hollowman hollowman
i lost my voting card somewhere in my apartment.
oh no democracy is falling apart :´(

fortunately capitalism will always be capitalism...
added on the 2003-09-15 14:42:04 by lithis lithis
aleen: was it fun to vote yes?
added on the 2003-09-15 14:59:12 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
who cares? you stupid sods already voted yes to the EU itself, so you're pretty much fucked, euro or no euro. :)
added on the 2003-09-15 15:12:13 by gloom gloom
I prefer decentraliztion. Stop flirting with the big corporations. Perhaps it's time to think more about progress than profit.
added on the 2003-09-15 16:56:23 by violator violator
gloom: maybe this is a hint that we havent enjoyed the EU cooperation?
added on the 2003-09-15 17:12:19 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
violator: unfortunately you can't get progress (by this i mean scientific/engineering progress, not social progress, which is a completely different but not at all less meaningful thing) without the big bucks... Its too bad that the big corporations that can't seemingly think further than the next quarter aren't helping either:-/

Thats why i'm waiting for China to get their act together. Since they are, i guess, the only nation in the world actually planning for stuff like building permanent settlements on the moon in the next 30 or so years...
added on the 2003-09-15 17:54:28 by uncle-x uncle-x
could anyone tell me about a single valid argument to vote against this, besides the earlier mentioned "scandi-fool (tm)" complex? ;)
added on the 2003-09-15 18:05:35 by superplek superplek
plek: a selfish sense of nationalism and pride over something as insignificant as currency?

(you asked for a valid argument. not a reasonable one;D)
added on the 2003-09-15 18:48:41 by uncle-x uncle-x
plek, sure i could. but its not like you would listen or care
added on the 2003-09-15 18:56:11 by hollowman hollowman
Well, the majority of the swedish people were atleast smart enough to say no to the EURO. We never had a chance to say 'yes' or 'no' and I'm very sure that the majority here would have voted against it. Now we have to live with the expensive prices for nearly everything.
"Nothing will be more expensive with the introduction of the EURO" - haha, a 'good' joke!
added on the 2003-09-15 19:13:53 by Crest Crest
Plek the only valid argument against the euro could be attacking not the euro itself but the ECB. (european central bank)

That valid argument being that you believe your country's financial technicians can manage your currency better than the ECB does with the euro.

As far as prices going higher, maybe the prices were too low before ;)
added on the 2003-09-15 19:24:38 by _-_-__ _-_-__
Being against the Euro is short-sighted.
Yes, things did get more expensive, but over time wages will adjust to that. A monetary union means a stronger economy. With a stronger economy and its own strong currency, Europe has better chances in competition on the world market.
We shall benefit.
added on the 2003-09-15 19:35:30 by vhiiula vhiiula
Vhiiula: Dream on, but in reality the wages are only adjusting to the low payment in countries with low wages (whole eastern Europe for example or countries like Portugal).
But why I'm talking here, the most people are ignorants anyway.
added on the 2003-09-15 20:10:28 by Crest Crest