category: offtopic [glöplog]
It is definitely demoish and an achievement. And pretty cool also BB Image.
What disqualifies it from pouet (in comparison to e.g. "Linger in shadows") imo is that it wasn't entered in any compo...
It is true that if people were/would have been anal about it many prods from the past wouldn't have made it into the DB. But still we shouldn't let just "ANY" realtime animation from the internets enter the DB...
added on the 2011-05-16 12:51:38 by raer raer
What disqualifies it from pouet (in comparison to e.g. "Linger in shadows") imo is that it wasn't entered in any compo...

"Linger in shadows" wasn't entered in any compo either.
added on the 2011-05-16 13:07:17 by KeyJ KeyJ
True. You're right... Released at BP, but not entered the wild compo.

Soo. Basically there's no difference between those two... And now?
added on the 2011-05-16 13:12:45 by raer raer
Just watched it properly. Nice. Music + video is not really my taste, but it's very well done, and a good demonstration of what's possible (well, until it got slower and slower in the 'explore' part at the end, then showed the nice "something went badly wrong" screen in chrome). Good stuff.
added on the 2011-05-16 13:17:00 by psonice psonice
Basically there's no difference between those two... And now?

And now ... nothing. I belong to the "if this and this are accepted demos on pouet, RO.ME and the 3DMarks should be too" camp.
added on the 2011-05-16 13:19:01 by KeyJ KeyJ
Gasman: words!

IMO the most important twist in the neck of the soft rules is the "day job" part. Demo making is a hobby. ... I think :p
added on the 2011-05-16 13:38:14 by p01 p01
The difference between this and Linger In Shadows is that LiS was made by an established demo group who were hired by Sony to make a demo. It was then presented at a demo party, where it was announced as a demo.

As I said above, none of these points are a watertight rule that make it automatically qualify as a demo, but they're things that swing it towards being a borderline case (and on the 'yes' side of that borderline, IMO) where ro.me isn't.

In fact, I think the biggest argument for counting LiS as a demo is that there's no better word in common vocabulary to describe what it is. ro.me, on the other hand, is known as a "website".
added on the 2011-05-16 13:58:31 by gasman gasman
gasman: aren't you the guy who submits websites to demo compos? :D I know, I know.. but it just shows how impossible this whole "what is a demo" is to nail down.

Some of the other stuff in the database (like the futuremark stuff, maybe that melon one I linked to) is also 'day job' material too.
added on the 2011-05-16 14:09:34 by psonice psonice
Oh no, it's the "The Demoscene should be more open" vs "the others are lamers" thing again!

The real scene takes places at parties where you can directly compare the size of your virtual penis in reallife by having both works (lame and 1337) compete and get chosen by public voting.

Public voting, boo'ing, "press esc'ing", "woooooo", "allleeeeeeeeeezzz", etc, is the only true way of reallife virtual penis comparison.
added on the 2011-05-16 14:22:22 by xernobyl xernobyl
Well, it's not because commercial prod where already submited a long time ago (when pouet.net didn't have gloperators) that mean it's ok to put another one :)

Like most of you, I think ROME is a really really (really!) great production, but since most of the authors aren't demoscene related, since a big company payed people to do that I think we can not reasonable submit it here, because it's really hard to compare a big prod like that with others prod here made during our free time :)

Btw, really nice job trace & mr. doob!
added on the 2011-05-16 14:33:51 by rez rez
of course it doesn't belong here. enough twaddle.
added on the 2011-05-16 14:46:39 by prm prm
rez: I think you'll find that, unlike Andromeda's Jekyll and Hyde, Trace and Mr Doob are actually the same person. :)
added on the 2011-05-16 15:32:31 by gloom gloom
mr. doob just doesn't work with capitals :)
added on the 2011-05-16 15:34:49 by psonice psonice
What RareFtWhail said. It was not released in a demoscene context, thus it doesn't belong here. end of story.

otherwise we would end up having 1000 (pretty cool) short and animations movies from YT added as wild demos. it just makes no sense...

kudos to this cool thingy though, really liked it.
added on the 2011-05-16 15:36:56 by pro pro
What about things that were made not intended to be scene productions per se but were entered in wild compos and won scene.org awards?
added on the 2011-05-16 16:16:35 by okkie okkie
(I know of at least one of those)
added on the 2011-05-16 16:16:53 by okkie okkie
rez: I think you'll find that, unlike Andromeda's Jekyll and Hyde, Trace and Mr Doob are actually the same person. :)

I melt in n00bness :D

*eternal shame on me*
added on the 2011-05-16 17:20:19 by rez rez
okkie: let's say it out loud, you mean Pluisje and Aenima?
added on the 2011-05-16 17:37:41 by Gargaj Gargaj
(what, Pluisje is not a demoscene group :/)

Another thing - why do we need to (...) feel disappointed that a big corporation got there first?

"We" could try a bit harder :p.
added on the 2011-05-16 18:01:59 by wullon wullon
let's release our commercial prods at some independent demo party and get loads of awards. \o/ we can use their silly little festivals for some cheap exposure.

*slap in the face of scene
added on the 2011-05-16 19:26:50 by button button
It blew me away. I am pretty scared of meeting Trace and Aaron at the OFFF+CAP workshop. Making windows-demos somehow feels pretty so last century now.
added on the 2011-05-16 22:00:00 by pixtur pixtur
Glad to hear you like it pixtur! :D
added on the 2011-05-17 01:19:31 by mrdoob mrdoob
very very nice and out of the box, although I winced when Hotel California started riffing ;)
I have had a rough night, and I hate the fucking eagles, man.
added on the 2011-05-17 08:40:33 by Rob Rob
i also find it very nice, very much like the mood of that thing. soundtrack was solid, visual maybe a little too lowpoly, but interesting and well-directed.

pixtur: i presume wasting a lot of computing power just to provide an opengl context is "this century" then? well, in that case, count me as a last century guy.
added on the 2011-05-17 09:02:43 by hcdlt hcdlt