fix me beautifull

category: general [glöplog]
Youtube-Video for this is here.
And please set the acronym for this group to "trs".

Thank You!
added on the 2007-07-29 19:42:45 by v3nom v3nom
added on the 2007-07-30 01:08:14 by psenough psenough
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=31448 something went wrong with my dropdown menus... this should be "demo" for "windows" (although technically it really should also be under "Demo tool" for "commodore 64" as well)

added on the 2007-07-30 16:03:29 by Gaia Gaia
added on the 2007-07-30 16:47:13 by keops keops

you can also add this http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=7084 to this party, where it finished 6th in the PC demo compo.

added on the 2007-07-30 17:24:18 by Gaia Gaia
on the index page ie7 reports difficulties with
onfocus="javascript:if(this.value==\'password\') this.value=\'\';"
dunno if it needs a fix, i guess i should switch browser
added on the 2007-07-30 18:18:05 by the_Ye-Ti the_Ye-Ti
Please remove the following productions. I coded them both though I only added the second one myself:

added on the 2007-07-30 20:42:55 by Argonaut Argonaut
argonaut: erm.. no. they were released thats why they're listed on pouet. i understand you're pissed about bfp results or whatever but you still released the prods on the scene.. with all due respect, have some tea or something man, you're clearly hotheaded with the issue. people already told you the demo wasnt about telling you personally or your atari posse present to fuck off, was just a joke demo for dubmood, lighten up already will yah.
added on the 2007-07-30 20:55:30 by psenough psenough
Look I want them removed, they're my copyright, you're saying they can't be removed?
added on the 2007-07-30 21:13:05 by Argonaut Argonaut
im saying you're acting like a 4 year old actually.
but yes, they wont be removed.
you're releasing productions to the public and then you dont want them listed on a site on the internet that catalogues them? why did you submit them to a demoparty then? no one told you when you release something it gets spread? seriously dude.. i understand that you're acting like this couz you're disapointed or whatever. take a cold shower or something, if you still feel the same after a few days then we'll figure out with a lawyer if we must remove the metadata of your demos from our database or not.
being that we're not actually working as the archive but merely listing metadata i personally think you dont really have much of a case but we dont really want to spend time and resources to prevent our whole site to be legally shut down due to listing info on two of demos that some atari kid having a tantrum is sorry having released after beeing placed one slot lower over an amiga joke demo released at a c64 party.
seriously dude.. with all due respect, lighten up.
added on the 2007-07-30 21:33:08 by psenough psenough
That's ok, I've removed the link from the one I uploaded and I asked Evil to remove the one he's hosted. If I giveth can I not taketh? It's the same on fucking YouTube. I can see your point from a legal point of view but it's this just don't to my choice, the reasons (perceived or otherwise) are actually nothing to do with you or anyone else.
added on the 2007-07-30 21:36:41 by Argonaut Argonaut
Ok, so for everyone else on the scene, if for whatever reason they decide that they no longer want you to host the meta data that *they* provided then you won't remove it. At least then everyone will know you're operating this site in 'good faith'. As I stated, my reasons for requesting these productions are removed are irrelevant, it's not that hard to understand you don't need a lawyer.
added on the 2007-07-30 21:44:29 by Argonaut Argonaut
others already have it and will probably keep spreading it. even more so because you're trying to hide it, they'll be curious on why you're hiding this. O_O also you probably gave bfp rights to distribute it since it's mandatory on most of the rules to most of the demoparties nowdays.
additionaly you're making yourself look like a fool to most of all sceners reading these texts. completle diservice to yourself and your group. i guess you're trying to end your scene carreer with a bang or something but certainly there were much more elegant ways to accomplish it and i reckon in a few weeks or months you'll look back, feel stupid about it and it'll be too late to rejoin the community without getting bashed left and right.
what happened to 'stay atari!'? :(
added on the 2007-07-30 21:50:06 by psenough psenough
Yeah you got it totally right, well done. :-)
added on the 2007-07-30 21:54:46 by Argonaut Argonaut
copyright discussions are very complicated issues.
we're attempting to provide a social service here, social interest conflicts with the rights of the individual. in this case we feel its the right to the users of the site to have accurate representation of the reality. so we wont pretend productions never existed. you beeing the creator of the information should have control if your creation is listed or not, but it not beeing listed is a complete diservice to the whole community including yourself.
you cant realistically release something and then not having released it. covering up doesnt work on the internet. maybe you can find legal loopholes to cover it up with the copyright excuse but considering services like google winning lawsuits while replicating whole sites, some pages of books and thumbnailed copyrighted images i dont really see how you expect to have legal backbone to wipe your traces regarding to the metadata of your release.
but like i said, if within a few days you feel the same we'll consult with a lawyer (we have one in our staff) and figure out if you're legally entitled to cover up action from our behalf or not. i'll email him about it tonight even so he can check it out.
added on the 2007-07-30 22:00:18 by psenough psenough
what am i doing discussing things logically with people who arent in the mood to listen, idiot me.
added on the 2007-07-30 22:01:52 by psenough psenough
The legalities are a seperate issue as far as I'm concerned, it's not a path I'm interested in going down. Just so long as you've made it clear that you're not happy to remove data (meta or otherwise) from the site, e.g you won't remove the screenshot or the URLs of the productions. Sure you can keep the comments made by other people but it's beginning to seem a bit pointless at that stage?

I'm asking you to do something in good faith, if you're not willing to do that then so be it.
added on the 2007-07-30 22:10:53 by Argonaut Argonaut
Argonaut, mate, you really need to calm down a bit. Removing the prods will not achieve anything...
I just don't understand what the problem is, how is it anyone elses business to anyalyse my request or the results of the action should the request be honoured? It's neither a complicated nor unreasonable request. I know well that this is a similar issue to that encountered when people try to tackle bittorrent so I know legally there's nothing I can do, nor am I interested in that, I'd just expect it to be done as a common courtesy.

So.. in future if anyone wants a production removed they will now know it will only be done if the webmaster considers your reason 'good enough', or probably not at all. The important thing is that policy is now clear.

Finally, again if people don't understand, I'm not interested in analysis of the reasoning of my request, continue to do so if you wish but I'm not going to come back with "yes you're right, I would like to leave the prods listed on pouet after all" - deal with it.
added on the 2007-07-30 22:27:35 by Argonaut Argonaut