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Sampling & Copyright (sampling speech from movies)

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Most of these insurance policies do not cover intellectual property disputes. This must be insured separately at least in Germany. This is really very expensive.
added on the 2019-11-20 14:53:10 by marlowe marlowe
If you want to be an ass about it: nothing is allowed and everything is forbidden. Don't get me started about trivial patents. Don't let it hinder you though.
added on the 2019-11-22 00:00:59 by jco jco
Naturally this is anecdotal, but back in the days I made happy hardcore covers of a fair number of hit records (incl a particular Mathias Reim cover that made it to a demo). I didn't get intro trouble, and I know why: nobody cares. Not even the Germans!

Like JCO says, nothing is allowed and everything is forbidden. That 909 snare you used there probably wasn't licensed to you either. The fonts in your demos, the fonts on your album covers. Rest assured that anything creative you make on a computer will probably give somebody a sufficiently reasonable case that a court will hear it (remember a case doesn't need to be very reasonable for that).

There's this idea floating around certain (cough, German) corners of the internet that it's possible perfectly color inside the lines, that the rules are clear and fair and that a deep and thorough effort to stay within them is always warranted. I Am Not A Netpoet, but I'd propose that you only do this if it makes you sleep better at night. That's a good reason.

Reality is that, unless your work becomes an enormous popular success, you won't see legal action. Even copyright trolls knows that amateur artists can't be milked for much. You're not worth their time.

And if your work does become an enormous popular success, you'll get a cease&desist letter first. Well, if they're right, then just cease and desist! Remove the Youtube video, pull it from Spotify, tell your fans on Twitter / the Pouet oneliner. It's not that hard. DJ Promo did that for the No Doubt song Okkie linked to and I don't think he lost a single minute of sleep over it (or any money for that matter).

Sure, if it's also a commercial success, then maybe the copyright holder wants some or all of your cash. But let's be honest, are you Timbaland? Are you producing Nelly Furtado's guaranteed platinum new album? No you're not :-) Don't worry man :-)

Afaik the vast majority of amateur/semipro artists follow a rulebook similar to this. All art is inspired by other art. Some genres and artforms got built on uncredited sampling (hip hop, anyone?). I'm super confused to see this discussion go this way here on Pouet.
added on the 2019-11-22 10:30:33 by skrebbel skrebbel
Another anecdote about sampling, from my brother: Just because the original rights holder doesn't care about your work doesn't mean that you won't get flagged. He used a movie speech sample almost verbatim, put his track on YouTube, and some years later someone else used the same sample, their label put it on YouTube, and my brother got his video demonetized as a result, because the almighty YouTube algorithm decided it's a ripoff of the other song.
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DJ Promo did that for the No Doubt song Okkie linked to and I don't think he lost a single minute of sleep over it (or any money for that matter).


He actually even re-released it as a single with re-recorded vocals under the name WIthout A Doubt and scored a minor hit with it :D
added on the 2019-11-22 12:30:52 by okkie okkie
It always annoys me that Texas gets taken down on youtube
added on the 2019-11-22 16:37:39 by rloaderro rloaderro
loaderror: encode the audio with a 101% tempo increase so the algorithms won't pick it up, oh and time shrink the video accordingly to stay in sync. see how long that'll hold! ;)
added on the 2019-11-22 16:42:35 by havamal havamal
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loaderror: encode the audio with a 101% tempo increase so the algorithms won't pick it up, oh and time shrink the video accordingly to stay in sync. see how long that'll hold! ;)
That is actually a good trick. Don't know why I never used that before when sampling. I mean if it works for all those pirated videos on the internets,.
added on the 2020-08-29 17:27:48 by numtek numtek
sample whatever you like, filter lowpass->distort->reverb&delay(s). works every time.
added on the 2020-08-29 17:40:01 by leGend leGend
Ten seconds to transmission...
added on the 2020-08-29 19:49:10 by superogue superogue
just put some autotune, fuck the settings until unrecognizable anymore, release, get hate for using autotune! ;)

P.S.: once it sounds like old/scary cher its unrecognizable enuff!
P.S.2: no1 will listen to it, except stupid ppl that enjoy autotune for no apparent reason! (i will puke every time i recog it!)
Rerecord your friends quoting the lines and call it homage.
added on the 2020-08-31 00:29:03 by ringofyre ringofyre
I'm guess the text is also copyright protected. Alienation won't do that much.
added on the 2020-08-31 01:53:07 by .. ..
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Oh man, the mid ninetees was a fucking wild west for sampling and it was awesome and beautiful :D


Skinny Puppy's "Rabies" album is an orgy of movie samples, I wonder if they licensed them all?
added on the 2020-08-31 11:05:26 by El Topo El Topo
El Topo: you can bet on that. For example Front Line Assembly's "Millenium" was delayed for months due to clearance of one sample.
added on the 2020-08-31 11:09:35 by wertstahl wertstahl
(I am sorry, i must switch that to allegedly since i don't find a source for that, but i swear i heard them say it in an interview on Grenzwellen in the 90s).
added on the 2020-08-31 11:15:26 by wertstahl wertstahl
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Skinny Puppy's "Rabies" album is an orgy of movie samples, I wonder if they licensed them all?


Same for Hoodlum Priest's "Heart of Darkness" they probably paid for them as a bunch of lawsuits had already happened. but yeah, fair use with vocal snippets is a v grey area.
added on the 2020-08-31 11:17:31 by okkie okkie
"Rabies" came out in 1989.. sampling lawsuits didn't really take off until the early 90s. "Paul's Boutique" was also '89 and is nearly all samples, but they managed to clear them back when it was much easier and cheaper to do so.
added on the 2020-08-31 16:51:44 by phoenix phoenix
Gilbert O'Sullivan ruined everything.
added on the 2020-08-31 18:03:20 by okkie okkie
Now prove to me that I did not write the samples myself using a hex editor - which I always do ;D

Interesting thread, good read, reminds me of Liam Howlett saying if a sample could not be cleared he had to throw away the whole track... he is basically all about sampling, check out Making of "The Prodigy - Smack My Bitch Up". But that's commercial scale of course.

At least 4k intros and below should be in the clear, *pheeeeew*...
added on the 2020-08-31 20:03:05 by zstab zstab

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