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those with a bunny or shrew should get in for free
Being an edgelord wasn't even cool in the 90s.
added on the 2021-05-03 00:30:15 by kb_ kb_
Craft beer is alright but overrepresented in the demoscene and feels offtopic.
added on the 2021-05-03 08:33:55 by rc00 rc00
The word "sofascener" is a derogatory term for a person who doesn't fly half a dozen times per year.

The demoscene has always had a drug problem. Mainly alcohol. Some of you need to stop drinking and enabling your friends.
added on the 2021-05-03 08:50:25 by jobe jobe
The majority of the work that’s allowed us to label ourselves as brilliant and forward-thinking techies and artist is really the result of the output of a few select individuals. The rest is a massively oversized halo effect that we all benefit from.
added on the 2021-05-03 09:57:11 by gloom gloom
wanting to be labeled as something is stupid!
added on the 2021-05-03 10:48:28 by yzi yzi
"Gray screen with no music" was always a boring meme.
added on the 2021-05-03 11:03:00 by El Topo El Topo
the torus is an underrated shape and got way too much flack in the 90s.
added on the 2021-05-03 11:06:51 by okkie okkie
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Craft beer is alright but overrepresented in the demoscene and feels offtopic.


This goes for all computer tech scenes, weirdly. Same with whiskey.
added on the 2021-05-03 11:09:47 by okkie okkie
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Craft beer is alright but overrepresented in the demoscene and feels offtopic.

++ alcoholism is a serious problem
some people in head of "public presentation of demoscene" have to stop acting like this is "normal to be drunk"
added on the 2021-05-03 11:35:39 by Danilw Danilw
I miss scrollers.
Many of these "unpopular" opinions actually seem to be quite popular.

One of mine is: many demosceners don't actually like demos very much, and would rather have mainstream content (but packaged as executable).
added on the 2021-05-03 11:45:39 by Nosferatu Nosferatu
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The word "sofascener" is a derogatory term for a person who doesn't fly half a dozen times per year.

The demoscene has always had a drug problem. Mainly alcohol. Some of you need to stop drinking and enabling your friends.


+2 (+1 for both opinions)
added on the 2021-05-03 11:51:48 by Sesse Sesse
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Craft beer is alright but overrepresented in the demoscene and feels offtopic.

++ alcoholism is a serious problem
some people in head of "public presentation of demoscene" have to stop acting like this is "normal to be drunk"


I fully agree tbh. I quit drinking last year and it vastly improved my life. I absolutely have no problem with people drinking, but we should normalize that it is fine if you don't. We are losing people because of alcohol and that makes me sad.

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Many of these "unpopular" opinions actually seem to be quite popular.

One of mine is: many demosceners don't actually like demos very much, and would rather have mainstream content (but packaged as executable).


I also agree and it's good to see people agreeing on things they feel might be unpopular. Your second point is also great actually, we all have an opinion what a demo should be and it is sometimes hard to align what we feel IS a demo!

My unpopular opinion is that no matter how much I might bitch about things I don't like, i *do* love all of you making things! For me the demoscene is not the made things, but the process and dedication of wanting to create and show.

So please keep making c64 and amiga scrolers, i might bitch and moan about them being too long, but that's fine <3
added on the 2021-05-03 12:35:19 by okkie okkie
Looking at the all time tops clearly shows Amiga demomakers are second class citizens.
added on the 2021-05-03 12:57:07 by Soundy Soundy
Looking at the all time tops clearly shows Amiga demomakers are very bad at creating (and promoting) stuff with a wide appeal, although not as bad as the c64 demomakers.
For me the point of demos is not watching, but making them. Demos for other platforms often have very little consumption value and are usually boring. For the most part I used to watch demos exactly once - at the party where they came out. I didn't care for demos on other platforms, but watched them anyway because that's what you're supposed to do at a party, and maybe you can pick up an idea or two. The deal is simple: I'll give you my time to watch yours, you'll give me your time to watch mine, and together we can have a beer. For my own platform it's something different: I'm scanning demos for new breakthroughs - mainly in my own department. That has always been the point for me: Being at the top of the peck, or aspiring to, and the production is means and proof at the same time - but mostly for oneself. (I pity you if you're making demos not for yourself but for others.) Being "at the top" however has no absolute measure, this is where individually different takes on achievements in demomaking come into play. In any case, for me it's utterly pointless to replicate stuff that others have already done, but it can't be helped sometimes, being in a team, having group mates, all the self-referentiality and tropes, various reasons. The point: PC sceners who think that their stuff would be more fun watching than others are delusional. Actually PC productions have an especially hollow feeling to them. For me, the value increases tremendously with immediacy: By watching realtime stuff live on real hardware. This should also give an indication as to why I think that the PC is pitiful as a demo platform.
added on the 2021-05-03 13:34:09 by bifat bifat
Tops are over-accumulated popularity/thumbs from the early 2000s when Pouet started really, tops of the months is much better.
added on the 2021-05-03 13:34:45 by Optimonk Optimonk
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One of mine is: many demosceners don't actually like demos very much, and would rather have mainstream content (but packaged as executable).

Are those two mutually exclusive? (Bearing in mind I'm not sure what "mainstream content" might mean in this context.)
added on the 2021-05-03 13:55:47 by Gargaj Gargaj
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The point: PC sceners who think that their stuff would be more fun watching than others are delusional. Actually PC productions have an especially hollow feeling to them. For me, the value increases tremendously with immediacy: By watching realtime stuff live on real hardware. This should also give an indication as to why I think that the PC is pitiful as a demo platform.

this is the reason why il never ever will associate my self with "demoscene"

every my "demo" is opensource cross-platform and free for everyone, that not fit your expectations of the "single proprietary platform close source exclusive demo made in dungeon under the Apple office using proprietary only software" ... lol
added on the 2021-05-03 14:37:54 by Danilw Danilw
k bye then
added on the 2021-05-03 14:43:28 by Gargaj Gargaj
Oh, I got another one, even if it's a bit similar to what Banned Guy wrote above:

JS demos with online versions get watched in realtime by way more people than executables.

... and you know why that is? Because "clicking on a thing" is nowadays the way to run most software, not downloading something, then unzipping to god knows where, then trying to hunt down whatever DLLs were installed on the coders' PC but not on yours, and then perhaps watching the demo.

At least on home computer platforms, watching demos always took the same effort as everything else you did on the same machine, and now it has become way worse. We're losing traction here, and we should fix that (even if using the web for everything is not the solution).
added on the 2021-05-03 15:21:30 by kb_ kb_
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For me the point of demos is not watching, ...


That's more like an unpopular wall of text :P, but yeah. We all look for different things in demos, both when watching and making them. Demomakers often say we want to get the most out of the limited hardware, but the most what? That part is conveniently omitted. Is 324 bobs, or 128 glenz faces meaningfully better than n-10? Well... certainly not for the ones watching it. But for the one coding it, finding that one little trick that noone else found can be very satisfying.

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Are those two mutually exclusive? (Bearing in mind I'm not sure what "mainstream content" might mean in this context.)


No, not at all. I think they're more like opposite poles along a dimension, or maybe opposite potentials. Certainly there is a tension between what is interesting to create as a demo, and what has "wide appeal" to watch. Perhaps the most successful prods are the ones that manage to balance them well.
added on the 2021-05-03 15:43:38 by Nosferatu Nosferatu
How about packing everything into an compressed .exe then and doing away with the whole zip archive stuff? pouet would just link to an .exe and you immediately execute from browser (like .msi installer or similar, but no installation whatsoever is happening).

Well, I guess this won't work because of malware protection bla?
added on the 2021-05-03 15:50:41 by spike spike
(i was refering to kb's post)
added on the 2021-05-03 15:51:06 by spike spike

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