What turbo board is recommended for a REAL A1200...

category: general [glöplog]
...to play all these nifty new demos...

Will a Blizzard 1230 Mk-IV work?
added on the 2005-12-02 22:26:14 by prismra prismra
anything with a 68060 should work ok. 1230 mk-IV (68030 50Mhz) is way too slow.
added on the 2005-12-02 22:51:53 by dodke dodke
best solution is power pc + 68k on one board, For 1200 it is Blizzard PPC. Also 3d graphic card (like bvision or voodoo3)
will be very good too, for watch for example these very good demos: http://ppcdemodb.acggbg.org/index.php
added on the 2005-12-03 09:58:14 by kas1e kas1e
maybe a nice solution, but this boards got so many
failures in the past...would be a risk...additionaly PPC+68k
boards are freaking expensive.

A Blizzard 1260/50 is the best classic solution I guess.
Lower performance solution could be a Blizzard 1230 with
additional FPU.
added on the 2005-12-03 11:33:29 by d0DgE d0DgE
oh and for playing those new demos (68k) forget the
68030 ...it will be way to slow.
added on the 2005-12-03 11:35:02 by d0DgE d0DgE
many demos started getting very slow on 030 circa 1998, due to tuning for 060 processor, so a plain 060 card will be your sure bet. please note that combined ppc+060 cards run 060 code slower than plain 060 due to less memory speed reserved for 060 processor
added on the 2005-12-03 11:57:31 by winden winden
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added on the 2005-12-03 17:35:18 by bruce bruce
don't get the blizzard ppc, it sucks! only problems.

go blizzard 1260!
added on the 2005-12-03 17:36:08 by gemini gemini
Magnum 040/40 might cut it?
added on the 2005-12-03 19:01:42 by Knacker Knacker
How come that some people can link the appropriate stupid picture any time into *any* thread?
added on the 2005-12-04 00:41:58 by tomcat tomcat
It's mostly an issue of being prepared. We have a dedicated team of six people that thrawl and index stupid images for that very reason.
added on the 2005-12-04 01:07:49 by Shifter Shifter
Thanks for the heads up guys, awesome support around here.

I love emulators but the real hardware is so much more fun (although I get acute pain in my wallet.)

So is it a waste to go with a 030/50?

It's just the blizzard 060/50 is like $200-$300. Grrr...

Do I really need a PPC chip? Aren't most of the 'oldschool' demo groups making them for 'classic' hardware (ie. Motorollas)?

Thanks again.
added on the 2005-12-04 09:20:54 by prismra prismra
I have bppc + 060x 66 on one board. It is interesting, and i can watch old demos also as modern ppc demos. But, as gemeni is said - you will have problems with ppc on classic - 100%. You will need skills with soldering iron, you will have problems with psu, coolers, etc,etc. Also it is little fuckup with PowerUp (old ppc kernel) and WarpOs (new ppc kernel). But it can be usable, if you want to try to solve some problems and pains :)

But, if you do not want this mess. Just buy 060 with 50 or 66 mhz oscilator. It is not any problem with using, it can be used with no cooler and in standart a1200 case.
Also only one setup will need for you - just put right libs to LIBS: directory :)

I think, the best way with classic amigas, modern amigas and problems - it is: a1200 with 060 x 66 mhz. And nothink more. If you will want 'work' on amiga (not only watch demos/etc) , you will have problems anyway. If you just buy mediator and put voodoo3 here (for example) you will surprised after PC how many strange thinks here. But as i said it can be solved, if you want mess with it :)

added on the 2005-12-04 11:41:41 by kas1e kas1e

UAE etc. might be cool for AMIGA applications like
Arteffect f.e. but to watch demos in original PAL video mode
a _real_ machine and a tv or PAL-monitor is the best, coz
the screen matrix is smoother.

PPC in my point of view is a waste for watching those few
demos that have been released for that config.
Most productions still are released on MC68060 and a bunch
of fastRAM (get a 64MB).
f.e. all the latest TBL, Loonies, Ephidrena, Scarab stuff
runs on classic system (more and more support gfx boards).
added on the 2005-12-04 12:37:13 by d0DgE d0DgE
Shoot. That is another issue, will I be okay without a graphics card?
added on the 2005-12-04 18:41:59 by prismra prismra
you can buy tft monitor if you want to work on AGA :)
added on the 2005-12-04 18:46:50 by kas1e kas1e
I thought only special monitors worked with Amigas.
added on the 2005-12-04 18:57:33 by prismra prismra
If you get a amiga monitor, it can be usable without gfx i think. But of course it will _very_ slowly. For example, you will can't work normally in 256 colours (yes, only 8 bit) wokbench. With 16 colours it will works very fine. Also, you will can setup some stuff like 'magic wb' , so, 16 colours will looks very good :) also here is tons of patchs like 'blaze, agafix, etc' for some speedup system work over aga.
added on the 2005-12-04 19:33:16 by kas1e kas1e
any tv with a scart input will do. amiga 1200 outputs both pal and ntsc signals without problems.

though, a real pal-monitor is always the best choice. commodore 1084s for instance..

if you want a desktop a1200 there's no really nice way to get a gfx-card into that, so nevermind it. you won't miss it if you have a pc/mac for all the rest of the stuff (like websurfing, gfx and such)
added on the 2005-12-04 23:32:23 by gemini gemini
a tv or PAL-monitor is the best, coz
the screen matrix is smoother

Is this the point where the "our pixels are rounder than on PC" insanity kicks in?

I take it you're just trying to find a nice way of saying that things are blurry and not properly focused.
added on the 2005-12-05 01:28:21 by Shifter Shifter
shifter: and you're saying that antialiasing isnt a kind of blur?

sure, the classic pal-amiga isnt the best platform for reading books or such, but it sure looks sweet to watch lowres demos on these bastards.. kind of a built-in (and ok, pretty rough) antialiasing. some like it, some don't. let's not get into that right/wrong debate concerning this again.
added on the 2005-12-05 04:10:56 by gemini gemini
antialiasing isnt a kind of blur. cant think of an explanation at this time of day though
added on the 2005-12-05 10:49:33 by the_Ye-Ti the_Ye-Ti
Let me just clear this up.

Antialiaising is a technique which is used to make things FUCKING GODDAMN UNREADABLE because they become BLURRED.

Since I _CANNOT_ _GODDAMN_ _READ_ _ANTIALIASED_ _BLURRY_ _CRAPTASTIC_ _FONTS_ due to my eyes, it does not matter what your technical explanation is for why it is not a blur. It blurs to the point that it IS NOT READABLE.

What font can I read 100% of the time?

Yes, that's right, Amiga Topaz from Amiga OS 2.0. NOT Chicago from the Mac, tho it's nice; NOT COMIC SANS, NOT ARIAL, NOT COURIER (which I've been informed was designed to be the most readable font ever - guess what? YOU FAILED IN THAT QUEST WITH COURIER - IT'S FUCKING UNREADABLE.) Sadly, I have trouble with the C64 font and the old Timex-Sinclair font, unless they're blown up to really freaking huge the way they should be (: But they do NOT scale down.

Antialiasing can be used to good effect, but like anything else, applying it to every goddamn thing is called 'overkill' and, in this case, has the opposite effect from that intended.

Why, no, I can't ACTUALLY distinguish the characters in this box I'm typing into, not easily, because they BLUR. My eyes SUCK and there is NOTHING that can be done to correct them, SAVE using fonts that ARE NOT ANTIALIASED and are DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO BE READ.
Everything is a kind of blur, anti-aliasing in particular.

Shifter: Insanity!?? The pixels _are_ rounder, no question about it. Sloppy electrons and lowres in beautiful, perfect harmony. See, it make the resolution much much look better than it "really" is, so it would be unfair to say "blurry and not properly focused" since that would imply something negative.

pezee suXXX.
added on the 2005-12-05 11:29:35 by Hyde Hyde
you mean "lowres output is best viewed on lowres output devices". you're not an LCD and HDTV hating hippy are you?
added on the 2005-12-05 11:46:50 by the_Ye-Ti the_Ye-Ti