Ripping, cheating and re-releasing at Breakpoint and how we are going to deal with it

category: general [glöplog]
but you did not beg for a "free for visitors" feature, but a "free for boobs" one
Code:Anyway, it's not our fault you can't get a girl, but allowing girls in for free will not help you to get laid.



or is it supposed to be funny ? my very own insignificant sexual life is ok thanx for caring :)

or i hope you don't really think that girls are mainly only 'good for that'...

if you really care about women's rights and such, you would accept them in their factual difference (yeah statically and numerically they are less geek than men) and let parties be more friendly toward them. That's it.

ok to be very honest i'd had too much time arguing for just the fun or arguing, time to work ;D

added on the 2007-04-17 15:00:26 by Zest Zest
Free entrance for girls is not about getting laid or any retarded stuff like that, even the creepiest/nerdiest scener probably figured out that a demoparty is the latest place on earth for that.

However, if you want to stop by with your girlfriend, it's cool that she doesn't have to pay the full entrance fee since it's unlikery she will stay at the party very long and unlikely she enters any compo at all (ok, there might be exceptions but they are quite rare).

If it's a way to have a more mixed population or have friends to visit the place shortly, it's all good and it's not like orgs won't miss this additional money.
added on the 2007-04-17 15:05:42 by keops keops
may you forgive me the grammar and typos, it's early in the morning :)
added on the 2007-04-17 15:07:47 by keops keops
finally some wise words :D
added on the 2007-04-17 15:08:16 by Zest Zest
that's why we suggested taking visitors that are not sceners into account, but what makes a good friend who don't like computers being different from a girl ? he's not a girl still it's unfair to ask him to pay the full price if he's just here to say hello and discover the scene while a girl would enter for free

why does this 'free for girls' feature seem to be a tradition in south-european countries and an aberration in northen countries ?

bullshit... i organise parties since more than 10 years, but i never heard an italian, spanish or greek guy complain about this...

it is only a small amount of narrow minded scroogey french fags, like zest, or his forerunning troll brother edo, who keep whining about free entrance for girls endlessly.

zest, if you cannot pay that 60 euro ticket for your oh-so-beloved girlfriend, go get a job and work for it like the rest of us... or please stay home.
added on the 2007-04-17 15:09:43 by havoc havoc
Now back to the original topic, ripping and re-releasing!

Have any of you seen that TBL demo?
added on the 2007-04-17 15:10:00 by okkie okkie
only saw the video
waiting to get back my PSP and launch the demo on the real hardware

afair, someone on pouet said that starstruck was less impressive on the real hardware than the video version, i'll see if it's the case for suicide barbie

(please note i realize the huge amount of work needed to have a 3D demo with a software rasterizer running on an amiga)
indeed, some lan parties do globally solve those issues with a cheap visitor ticket, and that's probably the best technical soluce.

i'm still proud of that french pride of 'free for girls' parties :P
added on the 2007-04-17 15:16:37 by Zest Zest
Guard][an: Actually, Starstruck run quite well when I watched it on a 50 MHz '060.
added on the 2007-04-17 15:20:03 by KeyJ KeyJ
havoc: your demoparties prolly got a bad girl ratio with such a mentality...

ok, parity isn't the goal of a demoparty, but missing its inherent fun is a pity.
added on the 2007-04-17 15:20:40 by Zest Zest
zest, bullshit, last outline didn't have a "bad girl ratio" at all whatever this is.
added on the 2007-04-17 15:25:04 by dipswitch dipswitch
yeah yeah, girls... more importantly.. would mat/ozone get in for free still?!?!?!?
KeyJ: good to know, i need to find an amiga and learn how to use it sometimes
dip: exactly :)

and the 'cheap visitor tickets' were the reason there was so much theft at The Party.
added on the 2007-04-17 15:32:59 by okkie okkie
heh Outline offers a 15 € 'single day' ticket, havoc you should have reminded us of it and be proud of that price strategy :p
added on the 2007-04-17 15:36:31 by Zest Zest
c) "free" girls who might bring you nothing but trouble though.

sounds like a fun story, care to share? :D
added on the 2007-04-17 15:36:39 by dalezr dalezr
"free" as in "save your money for beer ?"
okkie: yea back on topic back on topic, good.
much as i'd rarely like to pass up an opportunity to give tbl a little kick, i actually feel like defending them for this one.
unlike starstruck, which featured a large frame by frame rip from a design agency, this one has a (very good and quite different from the original) remix of a commercial track (altho, yes, that does affect it's status under bp rules, fair enough.). and then it uses a load of ideas taken from all over the place (although a certain photo source does stand out), and sticking them in a demo. and you know what? i can live with that. i'd rather take that than the 1000th blobby envmapped object or arrangement of cubes we've seen this week. at least they bothered to break into the house and steal the protools of something a bit different for a demo.

my (cynical) theory is, the less "typical demolike" something is, the more likely people are to go looking for it's sources of inspiration on the intarweb, and the louder they are going to claim it's a big fat ripoff. for the ones people havent caught yet, they probably just didnt look hard enough. but for the rest of the stuff where the maker clearly just nicked a load of ideas off the last kewlers demo it's not really worth saying - even though it's an even worse "rip".

for a collection of people so hung up on originality, we sure are pretty lacking in it most of the time. :)

perhaps a few people felt a bit dirty about being so nice about starstruck after they found out about the dstrukt rip, and want to get some sort of soul cleaning "revenge". who knows. maybe it's an easier target because it's not AMIGGGAAAAA?
personally, im just pissed off they managed to release that particle face in a demo before i did. yes, it's from the aero ad on psyop. it sure is cool though.

added on the 2007-04-17 15:40:37 by smash smash
Zest: the funny thing is that all French demoparties I visited were weener-parties. There were almost no girls at all at LTP4 or any edition of SOTA.

Concerning lanparties, since you keep mentioning those (even though those have absolutelly nothing to do with the demoscene): in Belgium, lanparties are free for all visitors. It's just a totally different mentallity between gamers and sceners. I organise lanparties too, and it's a totally different matter than demoparties.
added on the 2007-04-17 15:54:11 by DJefke DJefke
obviously they did a swell job with transforming the poses from those barbie photos into actual 3d rigged ladies + objects (and rest of the design around it) but uhm their bad for not hiding their sources properly ;)) (googling for suicide barbie gave it away)
Smash: fair enough, and the work in the demo is amazing. But they should at LEAST have given credit to Veronica Maggio. No matter how original the idea and execution was, this was a remix and people would probably have recieved it differently if they knew.

I think people feel filthy for letting a demo win that kinda pulled a Timbaland.
added on the 2007-04-17 16:12:21 by okkie okkie
DJefke: exactly, and why should it be that different ? democratization of computer fun among all social classes and ages and genders has apparently gone far further in lan parties than demoparties. Is it because of the leetness of the demoscene ? i'm actually happy that some parties manage to gather both sceners and 'artists from outside' and gamers even if that generates many problems.

anyway even the lanparties tend to decrease because of stronger anticopy policies (restricted and monitored lan) and the growing popularity of online 64-player games and MMO... and that's really really off-topic :D

let's talk back about the hypocritical hunt for timbalandismes :p
added on the 2007-04-17 16:12:27 by Zest Zest
Oh Zest, just shove it alright?
added on the 2007-04-17 16:13:37 by okkie okkie