why do most pc cracktros suck?

category: general [glöplog]
Complaining that "those lame cracktro coders are still
making the same effects I used to do back in 1996, why
don't they evolve?" is kind of silly. Hell, you got to
start from somewhere. When you're just starting out, you
don't do a super duper Lightwave playback engine that
requires a GeForce 4 and DirectX 9, like the elite groups
do; you learn how to do simple stuff like plasmas, fires
and starfields. If it was okay for *you* to do those effects
when you were a beginner, why isn't it okay for someone
new to the scene to do - and release - that sort of stuff?

*Active* scene newcomers should be welcome, not scoffed at.
Remember - the plasma coder of today may very well become
the Lightwave scene player coder of the future!
added on the 2003-01-31 11:53:57 by fuse fuse

what a promising future! :)

added on the 2003-01-31 13:08:53 by raver raver
dipswitch: stop thumbing all your own prods up, it's pathetic, and tell the rest of the razor guys to do it aswell... people are laughing at your way....
added on the 2003-01-31 21:31:55 by andromed4 andromed4
dipswitch: and stop acting as if you are some kinda scene god. There are a LOOT better guys than you on the scene which still are nice people. Just because you are in a famous group you dont have to be a ignorant sucker... you'll never earn respect that way.. and probably never will anyway.... if you get the point, lamer
added on the 2003-01-31 21:40:39 by andromed4 andromed4
same to you dubmood
added on the 2003-01-31 21:43:58 by andromed4 andromed4
@reed richards:

we did it just for our personal amusement. Not for appz or ftps...if you really want to get ware* there are some other easier ways to get it like kaza..etc

ANd why stop doing cracktros?

There was cracktros on C64...and after it on Amiga noone says: "Bah, STop it...that was again on c64..why on amiga...blah"..and PSX, PS2, XBOX...etc

But it seems that the PC users are not compareable to Amiga users who are smart enough to know what is made seriusly and what not!
added on the 2003-01-31 22:40:00 by fingus fingus
another thing... why are cracktros ALWAYS a lot bigger than 64kb intro and even lack likewise content?! =D
1.what dipswitch has to do with razor?
2.no1 from rzr is thumbing up our prods for quite some time
added on the 2003-02-01 02:41:46 by blz blz
andromeda, are you kinda fucjked up inna your head !?

a) i NEVER thumo up own prods
b) i have nothing to do with razor, i am in BLACK MAIDEN and DCS. you're trying to fuck with the wrong one, get lost ! watch out what you say.
added on the 2003-02-01 03:11:38 by dipswitch dipswitch
i suppose you just mix me up with somebody else, else i can't explain your behaviour.
added on the 2003-02-01 03:47:50 by dipswitch dipswitch
This size discussion make me sick!

"Always remember kids: The smaller your production is, your bigger you penis is!" *bah*

Optimizing - ok and good....but in a normally way please ;-)

-and by the way every user today own or can use a ASDL- or good Bandwith connection - so some hundred more or less KiloBytes making nonsense. Its not about wasting it, just use it...its build for that ;-)

Are there today no others competitions to set up the filesizelimit??
added on the 2003-02-01 04:41:27 by fingus fingus
Like many topics in here...once again it's kind of funny:
just one thing:
If the demo-coders of today has the balls to work with cracking-crews,the crack intros will be inovating,wonderful etc...
But it's a fact that much of you didn't have courage and nothing except to piss on other people that are taking risk....
Go on kids,shit on the crack scene,but you'll know that,for me,you are kind of little ASSHOLE!
TEC from V8 of THE EMPIRE since 1985..
added on the 2003-02-01 08:46:45 by TECK CMP TECK CMP
hehe, andromeda,
to quote yourself,
"Just because you are in a famous group you dont have to be a ignorant sucker"

maybe you should look at yourself before bullshittin other ppl... and why not add arrogant sucker to it.
when reaching your age, and still continue with the demoscene, I thought u would have come to a point where u should have stopped calling ppl lamer, but obviously not.

oh, and another thing, I dunno if someone here said it before me but,

most of the cracktroes you see today, are not made by the demoscene, but the artscene, and as you all know, artscene today almoust always suck when it comes to something else than ascii/ansi art =)

there are lots of new groups in the artscene that concists of a bunch of photoshop geeks, a coder who just learnd to code and uses tutorial effects from like, gamefaq.com(or wtf its called) for his cracktroes and a lame modplug/madtracker musican (from gråbo/sjövik whatever)

and they do it because they want respect from their warezleeching counterstrike gaming friends in school so they can say, oooh, download that "3d poker 3005 Sven göran erikson edition" game released by myth I got a so 31337 crackintro in there.

just dont mix thoose "crackintros" with the rest of em.
added on the 2003-02-01 12:05:12 by dubmood dubmood
Aren't cracktro-coders considered to have the same level of knowledge as demo/intro coders than? i mean, they use the same APIs, tools etc... how the hell can you say 'If the demo-coders of today has the balls to work with cracking-crews,the crack intros will be inovating,wonderful etc...'

I mean, come on, i almost feel sorry for the people being cracktrocoder... the way you put it!
I like cracktros but it seams quality has really droped compared to a few years back imho... and about making cracktros I guess the important thing is to get your message through with some style and imho you don't have to make something totaly new and groundbreaking every time... just deliver the message.. a cracktro is not a demo and is not made for the same purposes as a demo so stop this silly shit.. just don't download cracktros if yuo dislike them.

added on the 2003-02-01 15:31:37 by violator violator
"a cracktro is not a demo and is not made for the same purposes as a demo so stop this silly shit.. "

what the fuck are cracktros doing on a DEMOscene related site like pouet.net then?
you all suck anyway
added on the 2003-02-03 10:54:21 by Optimonk Optimonk
maali: what the fuck are 32 byte intros dioing on pouet?
added on the 2003-02-03 13:35:46 by violator violator
good question! =D
good question! =D
hey maali,
once upon a time the demo scene and the cracking scene where not working separately but always together!!!!!!!!!!!
it seems that you didn't saw that...

sorry violator but ,once upon a time, i was in crews where,on the cracked games we sprayed, we always tried to make new impressive intros with new technics etc....the only meaning was not the message it was also to do something impressive...

For exemple,at a moment i was in a crew called EQUINOX on the atari st,my tagname was EIDOLON(like inTEC i did graphics for them),i remember that for crack intros we did an transfer of a great"wORLD OF WONDER"intro from the amiga,this was our intro with demons flying.....you can download it on the main equinox site....this was a big surprise for everybody on the st scene...and after,each we did a new intro,the meaning was to burn other one...
So,was is the meaning of an intro then?
Also,on pc,the installers from"CLASS" are not only usefull but also sometime technically impressive....
TEC from V8 of THE EMPIRE since 1985
added on the 2003-02-03 14:37:48 by TECK CMP TECK CMP
link for eqx intros screenshots:
...half of them where used for cracked games only....
added on the 2003-02-03 14:45:41 by TECK CMP TECK CMP
TEC, i know how the demoscene emerged from the crackerscene in the mid 80s, yet i can also remember that the whole phylosophy is different too... the demoscene in the 90s tried to make multimedial art, while the cracktros we no less than scroller with a l33t effect in the back... so, not fully intended to be art, but more to inform about the crackgroups.

and that's my point, cracktros arent demoscene!
blah blah blah...
<in a provoking voice>my dad is stronger than your dad!</in a provoking voice>
added on the 2003-02-03 21:38:08 by funktion funktion