Scientists discover: the scene is not dead.

category: general [glöplog]
for the pleasure of everyone... http://lapsen.org/pouet_stats.pdf !

- rmeht/lapsen - data processor slave
added on the 2008-08-17 22:33:51 by rmeht rmeht
The scene died in 1998.

Can we have the data as .csv or .xls so we can do lots of meaningless datacrunching?

added on the 2008-08-17 22:50:13 by Calexico Calexico
sure, here you are.
added on the 2008-08-17 23:14:05 by rmeht rmeht
Based on that csv:
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Please note that 2008 did not end yet.
added on the 2008-08-18 10:23:07 by LiraNuna LiraNuna
I don't buy it.
added on the 2008-08-18 10:58:21 by doomdoom doomdoom
the releases that actually ARE on pouet is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the early 90s for example, so that line doesnt make much sense at all..
maybe thats true for msdos...
added on the 2008-08-18 11:51:52 by havoc havoc
probably all the old st stuff (from the early nineties) is in the db, even the smelliest manure. i don't know how complete the amiga collection is? dipswitch did a good job, but?
added on the 2008-08-18 12:25:59 by earx earx
well, not *every* st release from that era is on the db... but 80-90% is a pretty safe estimate i'd say.
added on the 2008-08-18 12:30:46 by havoc havoc
For 1992, 300 productions per year sounds more like a single group than the entire demoscene.
added on the 2008-08-18 12:33:03 by doomdoom doomdoom
I promise, the next demo I will do, will be without sleeping.
The numbers aren't the whole story anyway. If you discount the huge number of fairly simple and similar looking scrollers and cracktros from the old days, the balance would shift a bit. I doubt there's an easy way to compare 'serious/quality' demos unfortunately.
added on the 2008-08-18 13:09:41 by psonice psonice
The most important for a demo is that the coder gets sufficiently hypnotised to release the product for free. Or such kind of thing.
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Can generate moar, requests?

P.S. powered by 20 lines of pouet.net-snarfing-shellscript and php-jpgraph-voodoo .. I hope the admins don't mind *G*
added on the 2008-08-18 20:18:13 by blasty blasty
i demand a public sql dump, just so you know.
added on the 2008-08-18 20:23:21 by rmeht rmeht
you do know there are rss feeds of pouet which you can snarf easier right?
added on the 2008-08-18 20:23:39 by psenough psenough
no, did not. *looks in menubar, does not found*
added on the 2008-08-18 20:24:43 by blasty blasty
added on the 2008-08-18 20:24:54 by blasty blasty
actually the rss feeds are kinda limited.. and i think if you xnfo a non existant id it'll get yah a random prod from the database, which can b0rk some stuff up if you're going for the "lets scan all the ids" thing... we defnitly need better stat exports :(
added on the 2008-08-18 20:36:51 by psenough psenough
yeah, was just checking around and concluded teh same. currently im just requesting prodlist.php, parse the number of pages out of there, fetch those, and extract all data needed.
added on the 2008-08-18 20:38:56 by blasty blasty
About the number of ST releases, you have to take into consideration the fact we had a large number of mega demos.

Something like the European Demo, or the Froggy Over the Fence, or the recent 20years anniversary demo... they count at ONE entry in the database where in fact they each contains tens of different screens made by different groups.
added on the 2008-08-18 21:57:05 by Dbug Dbug
so? modern demos often have plenty of scenes. the only reason not so many people are involved is because coherence matters these days. i doubt the total amount of effort in many older megademos is more than that which goes into current compowinners on big hardware.
added on the 2008-08-18 22:01:34 by skrebbel skrebbel
ps: i've posted an issue about xnfo.php on the fix me beautifull thread when i tried to rip everything from your db some days ago. plus, i missed the part where the <support> tag is sometime missing and therefore the platform info. well, an sqldump could be simpler and less a denial-of-service for you :)

of course i'm not serious. i wont spend my whole day plotting useless but cool stats in excel. i already do similar mental fuckups at work...
added on the 2008-08-18 22:03:28 by rmeht rmeht
i doubt the total amount of effort in many older megademos is more than that which goes into current compowinners on big hardware

so you compare "many older megademos" with "current compowinners". in other words, you think rob is jarig is better than any oldskool demo. you know what? i'm not even starting to debunk that, and will agree for the sake of nationalism! :)
added on the 2008-08-18 22:24:07 by havoc havoc