does ZX Spectrum platform needs to be subdivided?

category: general [glöplog]
ps i will try later. Is there a hires template or everything was drawn in 16x16?

groepaz, make a thread about it;)
added on the 2013-12-20 02:53:46 by diver diver
agree also. (I would only leave 16k and 48k in the default "zx spectrum", but hey...)
added on the 2013-12-20 10:45:53 by bonefish bonefish
everything was drawn in 16x16
added on the 2013-12-20 13:57:16 by psenough psenough
*Weak* agreement from me. I'm satisfied that these categories represent meaningful differences in capabilities, not just minor hardware differences.

My only hesitation is basically what groepaz says. Splitting one platform into five is fine, but if the process is repeated for every other platform that has a few different models, then that would kinda suck. But then again, that's just a slippery slope argument ("we shouldn't do this thing now because it might lead to people making shitty decisions later") and maybe the Spectrum *is* unique in having so many distinct "base configurations" that are all popular choices for demo making.

(Incidentally, there are definitely more than two 16K prods. I've written three myself...)
added on the 2013-12-20 16:25:04 by gasman gasman
I'm considering some sort of "subplatform" solution for it (e.g. MS-DOS / MS-DOS+gus would be one platform with GUS being a branch for it, same goes for Windows -> Shader 3.0 or some sort of prerequisite distinction) but at this point I'm a bit unsure how to model a database on it that doesn't make it a massive pain.
added on the 2013-12-20 17:24:53 by Gargaj Gargaj
going to check the icons.
btw, zx81 icon is broken: http://www.pouet.net/content/styles/001/gfx/types.png (moved 1 pixel to the left)
added on the 2013-12-20 17:36:25 by diver diver
Indeed it is; I'll fix that in a minute.

Note: when you're making new icons, don't make them on the spritemap, make them separately and I'll compile them together.
added on the 2013-12-20 17:49:09 by Gargaj Gargaj
But either way don't go nuts about the icons just yet; I'm gonna see what I can come up with the platform-subdivision method.
added on the 2013-12-20 18:04:25 by Gargaj Gargaj
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groepaz, poor banana-boy,

i demand to liquidate pointless sub-categories like
amiga ocs,
amiga aga,
amiga ppc
and whatever junk more they made - and put it all into one reasonable "Commodore" category.
added on the 2013-12-21 23:06:19 by abscess abscess
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something for the start.
added on the 2013-12-22 07:34:11 by diver diver
I personally prefer the bottommost set. Can you draw "128" icon too?
Wow, nice work.
As for me, the best would be the first or the third set.
Although I would add the 128K description too, into the middle column. ;)
2nd try:
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added on the 2013-12-23 17:29:02 by diver diver
@diver: great work!
I (also) prefer last set, as it's easiest to read on high resolution monitors.
added on the 2013-12-23 19:38:31 by bonefish bonefish
Should we continue this thread?
Don't worry, you delivered the message, but now I have to think about implementation aspects. Splitting the category up now to 5 different ones sounds like a considerable amount of work for the glöperators and I'd like to avoid that.
added on the 2014-01-13 14:07:30 by Gargaj Gargaj
bump. not to be forgotten. :)) (this reminded me)

@gargaj, shout if you need some help.
as agreed on pages before, you can put everything from current "zx spectrum" to "zx spectrum 128k", and I believe that there will be an army of volunteers that can provide lists (simple CSV file with prod_id,new_platform_id) for everything that doesn't belong to the zx 128k.

i was planning to suggest to grab the platform separation from demozoo, but I just realised that gasman didn't do it's job there. ;))
added on the 2014-01-17 11:45:13 by bonefish bonefish
Maybe a bot that will handle "fixme" requests will be better. One by one, all the prods will be categorized. (Double request with different categories should be overlooked by an admin.)
ATM Turbo prods on pouët.net:

User Support by Maksagor (wild, 2006)
Ball Quest by Alone Coder & Shiru (game, 2006)
Catdemo by Alone Coder (2006)
Borntro 2008 by Breeze/Fishbone Crew (2008) - originally for Pentagon 1024 SL 2.2
vD14F: Vallentine Day - 14 February by Breeze/Fishbone Crew (2008) - originally for Pentagon 1024 SL 2.2
Nedodemo by Alone Coder & Shiru (2008) - originally for Pentagon 1024 SL 2.2
Personal Nightmare by Omega Hackers Group (2008)
ASCiI’2008 inVitat!on dentr0 by Breeze/Fishbone Crew (2008) - originally for Pentagon 1024 SL 2.2
The Link by Alone Coder, Shiru, Dimidrol/Green Bit Group (2009) - originally for Pentagon 1024 SL 2.2, requires NeoGS
The Board by Alone Coder & Shiru (2011)
The Board II by Alone Coder, lvd/mhm, Yerzmyey/HPRG (2013)
Chaos Zoomer 1K by Alone Coder, lvd/mhm, nq/skrju (1K, 2013)
Krazy Shaos by Shaos (1K, 2013)
SerkaFox Birthday Gift by Crash Nicker/Team Site (2013)
Happy New Year 2014 by FutureShock (2014)
Nedodemo 2 by Alone Coder, lvd/mhm, Yerzmyey/HPRG etc (2014)
SUCK IT! The Tunnel by Crash Nicker/Team Site (2014)
Pang 16C by Alone Coder & Shiru (game, 2005)
Yes, these are prods must be labelled like "not Spectrum" or "ZX with steroids"
added on the 2014-03-09 12:39:25 by g0blinish g0blinish
Your prods that don't work without General Sound or TS-conf will go to "not Spectrum" earlier.
купи General Sound, рязанский нищеброд=)
то же относится к твоей The Board II
added on the 2014-03-09 17:00:08 by g0blinish g0blinish
I prefer goblinish. Homemade ATM not Sinclair.
added on the 2014-03-09 22:16:31 by moredhel moredhel