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hi guys,
time is running out :D
So get the fame and the chicks and send to us your mixes \o
Not mentioning the Main Winner T-shirt which alone is worth at least 10,545.72 Zimbabwe Dollars !

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Get busy and good luck !

the question is: can one do a noiseglitchfuck remix without wayfinder whinning like a cry baby for 3 years? nop.

so why bother trying out remixes of scene music to present?

bunch of remixes in the key of the same old same old sounding like the same old. no thanks.

scene music is dead in the closet.

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oh for the love of god ps

what gargaj said

ps: Dear lord.. *facepalm*

Sad thing I hadn't heard about this compo until today, no time now.

if you all so strongly disagree then by all means do feel free to do something minimally interesting for these remix compos for a change and prove me wrong. i'd love to hear the result. alot more than hearing all the usual "wah wah this is not music wah wah" bullshit kind of feedback whenever i bother to participate.

scenemusic has been dead for shitloads. the only interesting thing on compos is usually the same old well produced rehashed formulas. which as good as they might be it's still bland and depressive to witness.

if this is supposed to be a creative scene? then your definition of creativity sure differs from mine.

sorry for the rant and bluntness of my honest opinion, just trying to make people think and move ass to do something interesting for a music compo for a change.

any takers? cya at mainparty.

ps,let's have a noisecompo at main? :)

Gloom: wait to hear the ranting about lame norvegians only able to produce electro-drum-n-bass and whatnot, a classic that never gets old :)

first off, just because you have an opinion doesn't make it right automagically, hence the bluntness is absolutely unjustified and uncalled for, especially when your opinion is highly subjective and infamously polarized. also, you went ad hominem in the first sentence.

second, let's take the actual issue:

statement: demomusic is derivative.

yes, that is indeed true, it has about 20 years of history and certain motifs and sound structures have embedded themselves deeply - it is often garish, repetitive or pretentious. (you can't really deny the reasons though.) and yes, it's true that certain genres are under-represented in favour of standard demomusic.

but let's stop here. what are those genres? black metal. tearout breaks. mainstyle hardcore. lowercase ambient. acid jazz. psytekk. blues.

the fact that "noiseglitchfuck" is less represented is not one bit more sad than not having a _proper_ bluegrass soundtrack - sure, i understand it's an auteur thing for you, but your comments won't become more valid just because you're on (one of) the far end(s) of the spectrum. (in fact, it's the opposite by simple math, but let's not argue.)

you also say the remix compos are pointless, but i think you're just painting yourself in a corner here: the compo organizers offer an option to take a tune you state to be "same old" (which i would regard as an insult in light of "elekfunk" and "wicked cabaret posse" especially), and present an opportunity to remix it. there are no rules to the remixing: bittin made a glitch remix of one of the tunes last year, i took reed's funk tune and turned it into psytrance, and so on.

you are in fact arguing that people should not have creative outlets or invitations to such, which makes your statement contradictory.

the fact that noone else makes "noiseglitchfuck" (the sound you just heard was the seriousness of the statement just flying away with a fleeting woosh) remixes of tunes for compos can be attributed to one single thing: interest. the amount of "noiseglitchfuck" remixes directly correlate to the amount of "noiseglitchfuck" artists in proportion to the world's music in general. as such, i find the lack of such remixes absolutely believable and logical - the same with any of the above genres. sad but true.

i find your soapbox fistshaking appalling, especially if you openly refuse to regard anything we make as "minimally interesting". it's as if you would refuse to eat anything and complain that you're not getting any food and you're hungry.

ps: the point at which you went wrong is you assume your definition of "interesting" and "creativity" is the same as everyone elses.

ps: I heard heartman drew something for or against Titan. Would you mind bringing it to Main for me please?

nosfe: its on!

keops: doesnt surprise me much to read your idiocy in here. but for the record the only norwegian musician that i find lame is gloom, and thats for purely personal reasons, not his actual composition skills. actually there is plenty of great "electro-drum-n-bass and whatnot" from norway. it's just sad that it's what gets used on 90% of their demos, fully knowing how much diverse they could easily be if only they werent pre-conditioned to this typical demoscene mind in a box bullshit, which i happily will include you in here and now for the sake of you being a clueless moron.

gargaj: my first reaction was to the thread owner, which to me, is fully justified, since thats what i think whenever i hear about a demoscene remix competition. ofcourse any opinion is by definition subjective and there is no such thing as the right or wrong, only more or less controversial. which i openly couldnt care less about in this site.

so yes, for the sake argument let me rephrase: _TO ME_ ALL DEMOSCENE REMIX COMPOS FEEL QUITE POINTLESS AND VOID OF ANY ACTUAL MUSICAL INTEREST

which might explain why the whole scene music thing keeps getting canibalized instead of progressing to other realms, but hei, thats just me thinking out loud hoping some party and compo organizers will pay attention.

this fact howhever doesnt include that you whole lot who enjoy this rehash of the same old same old sound rehash cant have fun with it. knock yourselfs out, i'll go out for a beer while the compo is running. but i sure wont be ever participating again (unless im overly bored to death some day, who knows) till i see diversity. lack of interest. hence, whenever a public forum thread is opened calling for participations and i happen to read it, i'll give my honest opinion: scene music to me is dead. you disagree, prove me otherwise.

in reality ii wouldnt want all entries to be noiseglitchfuck either, or at all. simply avoiding the same old goddamn stereotypes in each goddamn track in the compo would already be quite an evolutionary leap for scene music as we know it. and who knows maybe some folks would even get interested in participating (composing, listening and voting) again.

smash: i dont assume that at all. i just didnt include a "for me" in my sentences.

irokos: it's in the post i believe! hope it arrives in time!!

I love you too!

Gloom: your influence obviously extends far away within your country since you did not even make that soundtrack:

"soundtrack suffers from the usual norwegian syndrome, which is a big turn off"
added on the 2009-08-10 by ps

;)

What about all those nice chip remixes? :(

Keops: didn't you know? There is no "Gloom" or "Lug00ber" or "Irvin" - it's the same person (a 46 year old Scotsman) that just pose under different aliases.

Gloom: liar

"and yet again, electro drumnbass for a soundtrack.. seriously, norwegians: there are more music styles that you can use to make awesome demos besides electro drumnbass."

*g*

ps: barely quoting you means being a clueless moron? Now that's interesting. I was just kidding but now allow me to be even more clueless then, quoting you even more ;)









*hugs*

There are several things that came to my mind when i read the thread.

What might "..progressing to other realms.." or even "scenemusic" look like from your point of view?

I read, you want to have more diversity in sound, but in the same sentence you remove yourself from contributing to it by saying you don't participate anymore. Why's that? I find that contraproductive to your own "demand".

I know, this question might be too personal to answer here and i don't expect an answer on that, but it struck my mind after looking at comments to your music (even one of my own) and one sentence in your second comment ("..this is no music bullshit comments.."). Do you feel that your music is not properly appreciated by scene ppl.?
I wouldn't be surprised if it's all coming down to this, because i think nearly everyone has those moments more or less.
It may seem that the majority is not into your kind of music. But that does not necessarily mean that your participation is not appreciated.

Finally, i would have been more interested in reading a reason why you want to participate rather than reading why you don't.
And i hope you will participate in coming competitions and scenemusic, because i think there are people who like your music-style and even more who appreciate your effort.
The only way to develop is to continuously being creative.
And i find scenemusic more than alive. Prove me otherwise!

to each their own.

What, this shit again?

@PS: Listen. If you want more diversity, then contribute to that by submitting your own entries. You can't lay the responsibility on others to contribute what you want to hear. If you want to hear more music you like, you should participate more, not less.

I'm not going to listen to you, or to anyone else, when it comes to what I spend my free time on creating. Even if all other demo soundtracks were in genres I didn't like, I'd still be doing the music I like, thus adding to the diversity of the scene. By doing the exact opposite, you leave the scene in the slimy tentacles of us idiots doing the same bland shit over and over again.

Why you seem to believe that you are in any position to demand something from anyone else, be it musicians, compo organizers or parties, is way beyond my imagination. If you don't like the music being made by other musicians that's perfectly fine. But stop making these idiotic statements based on nothing else than the fact that you have a different taste in music than "us" (as in the large homogenic group of demo musicians, all doing breakbeat based music with distorted basslines. Special greetings go out to aMusic/Leviathan, kb, paniq, xerxes, frequent, Virgill, Chromag, dane and 505 for representing the true norwegian electro drumnbass style!)

but i do agree we need less norwegian drum and bass and more tiroler yodeling in scandinavian demos!

you're not offering a solution here.

if you're assuming that people should offer more styles in the preselection, and have equal shares of "standard" and "non-standard" music, you'll be depressed over the fact about how small the latter category will STILL be.

instead of ragging on the party organizers for offering compos, rag on the musicians (=yourself) for not making versatile music (=industrial rnb)

or ghetto yodel.