Amiga or Atari ???

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added on the 2003-11-09 16:43:44 by havoc havoc
added on the 2003-11-09 19:05:58 by elkmoose elkmoose
added on the 2003-11-10 18:30:59 by elkmoose elkmoose
added on the 2003-11-11 17:45:50 by defjam defjam
Did he said Atari?
I never ever regreted choosing a 8086XT over an Amiga back then... It was so obvious these Amigas and Ataris were kids toys, just like the Amstrad I had before...

Well, guess what, history proved me right :-)

(This is a fine example of how a thread capable of 100 posts can easily reach 200+ :-)
added on the 2003-11-11 19:01:21 by moT moT
On another note, one thing that always irritated me about Amiga, is that almost all its users shared the same arrogance and artificial superiority complex. It seemed like a disease, and I didn't want to catch it.

Never knew many Atari users so I can't say anything about them.
added on the 2003-11-11 19:06:36 by moT moT
i love amiga
i love atari
i love pc
i love pouet
added on the 2003-11-11 21:58:25 by elkmoose elkmoose
Well, guess what, history proved me right :-)

in what way exactly?
added on the 2003-11-11 22:40:05 by reed reed
In the way that Amiga, Atari and others are now only mentioned by old retrocomputing nostalgics... you know... being dead and all as platforms :-)

On the other hand, that buggy and clumsy platform now known as 'x86' has managed (for various reasons) to outlive those others and be dominant in the world for so many years.

added on the 2003-11-12 00:45:39 by moT moT
that's completely irrelevant in terms of the demo scene. the success of the pc platform has nothing to do with the scene.

there was the golden era of the c64, there was the golden era of amiga/st, and what do we have now... there are still releases for the c64, there are still releases for the amiga and atari st. there are releases for the pc, there are releases for the consoles, there are releases for the bluddy vic 20. what's your point?

I never ever regreted choosing a 8086XT over an Amiga back then... It was so obvious these Amigas and Ataris were kids toys, just like the Amstrad I had before...

i'm not sure what was your original motive for buying a computer, but i'd reckon you have at least a remote connection to the demo scene since you're on this website. didn't you ever feel left out when you had the wrong computer in the prime time of the scene? "kids toys" is a bit harsh about a computer that undoubtedly dominated the scene in its era.
added on the 2003-11-12 01:03:31 by reed reed
I would be a fool not to aknowledge the dominance of Amiga computers in the demoscene of the nineties.

But that was the past and now is now. I understand people making demos for old machines out of fun, but I can't take these machines seriously anymore.

And I guess the whole point of my post was that, I had the luck of choosing (and learning) right from the start, the platform that would eventually survive. It was painful to see all my friend Amiga users left with a dead platform in their hands, with no choice but to buy a x86 computer, the thing they loathed the most. I would certainly not like that thing happening to my self. In that context, history did prove me right.

But being so arrogant and narrowminded, most Amiga users I know, it serves them right that they got their clocks cleaned by that 'lousy' x86 architecture. And no bitching and 'intel sucks' comments can ever change that, because x86 may suck, but it's a 'now' thing and not a 'has been a long time ago' thing.

Go ahead, flame on.
added on the 2003-11-12 02:45:12 by moT moT
Reed: No, Daft doens't cover it.
truck: haha :)

mot: i get the picture you're bitter. none of the ex-amiga users that i know have been devastated about being "left with a dead platform in their hands", instead they've considered it a logical step - from the c64 to the amiga, from the amiga to the pc. i guess you just happen to know lame people :)
added on the 2003-11-12 03:21:21 by reed reed
added on the 2003-11-12 03:54:15 by elkmoose elkmoose
I like kids toys! + I prefer boulderdash than mario by the way ;)
CPC... :)
added on the 2003-11-12 09:41:47 by Nicky One Nicky One
moT: I bet we had much more fun with our amigas than you had on your 286 :-)

and i dont really understand whats letft from your DOS machine anyways...

ISA ? - Nope
VGA ? - Not really
VESA ? - Not really
GUS ? - Nope
S3 Virge ? - Not really
Irq conflicts - Not really

now lets see whats left from your software...
The "operating system", DOS or win <95 ? - Nope
Your beloved games using the pcspeaker? - Nope
Crappy old 286/386 demos? - Nope
Word 2.0 - Nope
Tasm/Borland Pascal - Nope
Watcom C - Nope

Now lets see what we DO have..
About to dissapear:

Coming in:
PCI Express


Some randomly picked cards:

wow !! your plattform survived !! wiee !!
added on the 2003-11-12 11:20:16 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
I never ever regreted choosing a 8086XT over an Amiga back then... It was so obvious these Amigas and Ataris were kids toys, just like the Amstrad I had before...

yeah, you can be proud skipping out the probably best part of your youth, and rather stick with dos shite + adlib sound. congrats!
i rather played sensible soccer and superfrog + watched demos like desert dream or arte.

kids toy muhaha. it was more superior than anything back in the days...

Well, guess what, history proved me right :-)

it proved that you're a natural born pc-asshole, right.
and you come here and mention arrogance?
added on the 2003-11-12 12:55:54 by teo teo
mot: choosing 8086 over amiga/atari/c64/etc was a really bad choice in my opinion. it left you with a platform that was a serious pile of shit compared to the 'kids toys' (unless you're a spreadsheet fiend or something anyway).

I suspect most of us here enjoyed the golden age of c64, amiga/st etc and had the benefit of great games, great demos, a fun system to use, office applications that were decent enough etc, while you were stuck with a shitty dos prompt, bad graphics, and shit sound. Then, when amiga + st died out, the pc was at last maturing enough to be worth using, and we moved to that.

So what did we miss out on again? or is learning to code an 8086 with cga + pc speaker essential to fully understanding todays pcs?
added on the 2003-11-12 13:27:28 by psonice psonice
My P3/1466 still has an ISA slot if I want to install a GUS. And I still own two GUS board that were unfortunately fried at some point. And I am still able to run applications and games written some _twenty_ years ago. Some just run, some others need a little help, but they run. Remember those TP6/TC2 sources I wrote on an Optimus flaming thread? The were done on Win2K with no problem.

OK, so I understand you loved that machine. That's your problem. But don't come here and say that x86 sucks, unless you are prepared to ditch your own 'lame pc' and:
a) shell out loads of cash to buy those 'sleek' macs or sun workstations
b) try to work in todays environment with 15-year old equipment and pray that it doesn't break at some point.

Or, to put it in fewer words (as americans say): Don't shit where you eat.
added on the 2003-11-12 15:31:19 by moT moT
mot, 'amiga rulez and pc suxx' stopped being the case years ago, i think everybody knows that (except maybe the few real zealots left). That's why most of us use pcs now. But to apply that argument to 10 years ago makes no sense, it just shows you had the shittier machine back then (just as people who only have an amiga or an st do now).

and as to saying x86 sucks, yeah, i think it does, mac or sun have better systems. Plus, the os is a pile of shit too. OSX or linux are way better. That doesn't mean i should dump the system tho. I'm not gonna buy a mac cause it's expensive and dates too fast, plus it won't run the majority of demos. I use linux at home for some stuff, but i'm really stuck with windows cause it has the best support (especially demos, but also for the other stuff i use it for). So yeah, it sucks, but i'll put up with it cause there's nothing better for what i need.
added on the 2003-11-12 15:43:43 by psonice psonice
oh good. pouet is finally introduced to the concept of "fanboys".
added on the 2003-11-12 16:20:07 by phoenix phoenix
We have more in common than you think. I only have windows at home to watch demos, since I rarely play games anymore. I do all my everyday work on linux. Yes, windows undoubtably sucks, but all zealots in this thread seem to have a problem with the architecture, not the operating system.

As for the comparison 10 years ago, the Amiga/Atari systems were not better at everything compared to PCs, and choosing the best was a matter of what you wanted to do. In that sense I can assure you that I never felt that I had a shittier machine compared to Amiga, except for games and demos of course... Which by the way seems frightningly familiar with the case of windows / linux today :-)

added on the 2003-11-12 17:30:50 by moT moT
mot: yeah, i agree with you there, but i still think the architecture is a pile of shit. perhaps i'm wrong, what with knowing only a little about it, but the fact that it's a 70's design thats had bits stuck on and removed ever since to keep it up to date leaves me with just that feeling of shittiness :) All the parts in it are fine, it's just the overall way its stuck together. With a proper rethink of it, without worrying about compatability, i think it would be waaaay better.

And as for amiga/atari being better than pc at everything, no of course it wasn't (just like amiga wasn't better than atari at everything ;) but i think it was definately better overall. I knew a guy back then who bought a pc against the advice of everyone, because it was 'better at number crunching'. Well, we never did find out why he wanted to crunch numbers.

And linux... with some better support, maybe better office applications (not used them for a while on linux, but star office was a bit ugly, and the others had too few features) and more games, yeah, it will become popular i think.

only big problem with it is when some stuff goes wrong. I updated the graphics drivers on my machine at home once, and it killed X... i was totally unable to fix it, and so was my neighbour, who has a phd and programmed linux systems in a nuclear research centre :) Still, i guess better updating systems will be made, and better config utilities too.
added on the 2003-11-12 17:56:15 by psonice psonice