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the last person who post in this threads wins the debate ;)
added on the 2011-04-05 22:09:05 by magic magic
Winner.
See you at Revision.
no u
added on the 2011-04-06 11:45:45 by cg_ cg_
I like turtles
added on the 2011-04-06 12:07:44 by okkie okkie
okkie: i guess it wasnt good for hosting MAiN Party in france...what about frogs?
added on the 2011-04-06 12:48:38 by _docd^hjb _docd^hjb
for you i meant...
added on the 2011-04-06 12:48:54 by _docd^hjb _docd^hjb
@ringo link or its a lie! ;)
added on the 2011-04-06 12:50:08 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
i think its more poopcorn than popcorn...
added on the 2011-04-06 13:09:13 by 4kum4 4kum4
Oh dear me!
added on the 2011-04-06 13:12:26 by ringofyre ringofyre
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Warez people whining about one of their logo being "stolen", that's just amazing. At first I thought it was a joke thread but they are actually serious :) added on the 2011-04-04 22:20:25 by keops

Oh god. I actually don't know how much times that discussion occured. But I'll be calm and try to make you guys understand. Yeah, Titan makes art for "Warez" groups, but seriously. In WHAT does that make us Warez people? We do NOT release games nor crack them. Is that now, once and for all, understandable? If we were REAL "crackers" and REAL "warez people whining" and shit, why would we have registered our domain name with MY real name and adress? Pretty please, explain your theory about "they do art for warez group, thus they are warez kiddies". That's what i call being completely limited mental wise and not intelligent at all. That's what i call being not open minded at all as well. This discussion has been going on for years, I've tried to explain several times but you guys stay up in your fucked up thoughts with the same rants all the time. Only idiots stay the same and think the same, you sure ain't that.
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(Oh btw, "for a demogroup" == WRONG. Or can you tell me why shit like this is ALWAYS happening in the oh so 31337 oldschool cracking groups with a semi-decent demo divisin bolted on, and NEVER in a demo-only group?) added on the 2011-04-04 22:21:18 by kb_

Ok. So, some guy from the demodivision of Razor came to Alien, asked for a logo, and yeah, it only got released in the Titan Artpack #2 but never got used by Razor, who wanted to use it in a demo production. This didn't happen, go figure why, but this just didn't happen. So, pretty please, yes, believe it or not, but "FOR A DEMOGROUP" is a valid argument.


Kenet has been voted as one of the top10 most loved pixel graphic artists of the scene for years in PAIN, he hasn't made much demos but more cracktros stuff. Same for Alien. They both are in Titan, and that doesn't make them warez guys.
Now, once and for all, can you guys make a clear distinction between cracking/spreading games and making art for a group that will use it? We do art for the sake of doing art, that's about it. And in that case, that was for a demogroup. Stop being so fucking closed to any argument that goes against what you think. Accept the fact that the people you got in front of you ain't and can't be accused of being everything you THINK they are because of a fucking label. Accept the fact that they got arguments, and that these arguments can be true.
Titan did the first Windows 1k with sound, the first Nintendo DS intro with use of both screen, the first real Mac OS 4k, the first Mac OS intro packer, and so on. We making cracktros is the only thing you guys got against us and directly classify us as pirates. I can't stand that. It clearly looks like Hitler thinking all the jews are evil because he got owned by one of them when he was student. That's pure stupidity.
Now for that logo thing, seriously, get over it. Keops, KB, I'm pretty sure you'd be thinking the same as Alien if some random guy took anything you made to sell it. Whatever was the aim of the said thing. Yeah, it is a Razor1911 logo. Yeah, Razor members sometimes got mad on pouet in the past. As well as Titan. This is the past. This belongs to the past and will stick to it. Everyone changes, everyone can be, I hope, intelligent enough to notice he did stupid things in a community. Admitting that is completely wise and shows humility. I personnally can't stand the behavior I've had here for several years when I read what I wrote. If I didn't do it already, I apologize for such dramas. But I wait for some of you to understand that classifying Titan in the "they suck they do warez" sucks even more.
added on the 2011-04-06 14:12:56 by iks iks
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There are 2 girls who apparently specialise in making chocolate popcorn ;)

That sounds cool. I must find that around here. My GF would like that.
added on the 2011-04-06 14:49:12 by xernobyl xernobyl
Missing the point or terrible sarcasm? Internet.. the place to never really know for sure!
added on the 2011-04-06 14:59:56 by okkie okkie
okkie: maybe he knows, and is serious. You just never know!
added on the 2011-04-06 15:08:28 by psonice psonice
Oh god, I didn't even consider that!
added on the 2011-04-06 15:10:16 by okkie okkie
guys..its only a few days left until revision where we all love each other again.

hugs to everyone.
added on the 2011-04-06 15:33:23 by _docd^hjb _docd^hjb
Irokos: some of the guys on the side of the warez scene need to pay close attention to that last paragraph too :)

Then again, I'd say making logos for a cracktro is making a contribution to the production and distribution of the cracked game, which makes you part of the warez scene. It's not the same as the guy doing the cracking and the guy spreading the floppy disks, but it's still a direct contribution to that scene.

Does that mean anything else you do is also connected with warez? No. But expect people who dislike the warez scene to associate you with it still, because you are associated :)

And for the record: I applaud the people doing cracktros, in principle (in practice some of the cracktros are so oldschool-in-a-bad-way that they defeat the purpose ;) Cracktros were once a common introduction to the scene for kids interested in computers + gfx. No reason why they can't do the same now, and the crack will be released with or without the cracktro. Just need to get the quality a bit higher (in general, there are good modern cracktros) and maybe modernise the concept a bit.
added on the 2011-04-06 15:56:50 by psonice psonice
lolz crackscene lolz
added on the 2011-04-06 16:20:15 by __ __
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added on the 2011-04-06 16:45:11 by steam steam
there is only one scene....

even if you are more into demo or more into warez...its out of the same uterus. so face it and accept your brothers.

scene is its own world, with own rules and always on the edge of legality.
Problems outside of this circle should stay outside.
We always handled it this way - and this should change.

On Parties you see ppl Headhunters/Recruiters/Developers from major software/gaming companies partying with RZR / FLT / Kalisto /$Warez Group members - because on the partyplaces they are equal.

This thread is totally lost and far away from its topic.
It turned from a scenecodex issue to the usual copyright infringement demoscene / warezscene fuckup.

The discussion should serious end up here.
And the newbies who always put oil into the fire should know that this discussion is kinda 20 years old, is repeated almost every year and ends always up with several beers on a partyplace.

....it may end up aswell in beeing marked as a subsidized firestarter if someone always starts from the beginning....questionable intensions.



added on the 2011-04-06 17:45:09 by _docd^hjb _docd^hjb
this shouDNT change i meant....fuckup
added on the 2011-04-06 17:45:49 by _docd^hjb _docd^hjb
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lolz crackscene lolz


<bitch>

lolz knl demo release lolz

</bitch>

;)
added on the 2011-04-06 17:52:14 by rez rez
perhaps crackscene should rip even more from the demoscene so the cracktros won't look so goddamn ugly!
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wow.. check this collage by roy i just stumbled on:
http://roy-sac.deviantart.com/art/Scene-Logo-Collage-133688690
added on the 2011-04-06 19:03:45 by magic magic
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added on the 2011-04-06 19:04:55 by magic magic
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perhaps crackscene should rip even more from the demoscene so the cracktros won't look so goddamn ugly!


perhaps more talented demosceners should work on cracktros...
added on the 2011-04-06 19:14:34 by 4kum4 4kum4

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