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I invite everyone who wants to participate synthetic music competition.

Details please see here
http://www.netblok.pl/~noise/VSTaway/index.html

Best regards,
SNoise

You invited me and then just slammed the door in front of me, thank you very much.

What platform are you interested in? I think we can evaluate.

There are at least four more trackers with VST support on Windows, namely MadTracker, BeRoTracker, Buzz and OpenMPT. Since we're talking about a VST-only compo, there is actually no point in forbidding any host that supports VST anyway, since all of them do the same thing - sending data to and receiving data from VSTs. There's no big difference in that across all hosts, except details like how automation is accessed and stuff like that.

obviously this one:
Open ModPlug Tracker
;)

I'm in, I will update compo rules today and I will add all mentioned trackers. So... once again, I kindly invite you :)

I take it the mandatory rule about it being an original song, not yet released either commercially nor at parties ofcourse applies, right? ;)

Yesss... I will go follow and update the rules. I suppose I forgot some more issues. Maybe I should rent an layer ;)

Ok, I think it's the perfect place to talk about renoise > all your other solutions... right?

How about "Any VST compatible host program" as a rule?

+1 for what Gargaj said.

@SuperNoise: what's your opinion on non-VST, builtin/out-of-the-box-plugin sequencer/DAW fx ?

Also, what's wrong with samples? There's more one can do than simply replay them as they are.

I call for a size limitation! 2MB for the whole package, no matter how the sound is generated.
(which would include the editor, plugins, and the song data, of course)

@knl: no it is not. hope you are all good, man. (still smoking ?)

Reason doesn't support VST's....

Err. Why on earth are you only allowing certain DAWs if the competition is about getting the most out of a set of VSTi's? Defies all logic.

I was hoping this would be a competion about writing a song as a VST plugin ;)

knos: While it probably wouldn't get a lot of entries, I'd watch the hell out of such a compo :)

Best. Prize. Ever.

IMHO using lot of VSTis makes no sense, its like mod compo with unlimited size, but with no voices (ok, ok, any speech synth will do the trick), why not to limit competition to one or two VSTis? Anyway I am in.

@Gargaj: The problem about 'any VST compatible host program" sounds very good however it may complicate the compo.
1. For example an person will chose VST host for Amiga/Macintosh on any other hardware platform.
2. Somebody will decide to use quite expensive program, I have no acces even to demo-version.
3. Somebody will use renoise 2.6.0, somebody else will use 1.7.8 (and ofcourse his song MUST be played with 1.7.8 otherwise sounds bed).
That's all veryfication problems. of chaos at the end.

Anyway, if I see, somebody is interested in compo and has a really special and nice VST host (hopefully freeware) why not to add it to the compo?
In the future, I hope to see some standard VST host commonly used.
It's in case somebody will be interested in this kind of competition.

How about getting someone to help you out with verification on different platforms? I'm sure there are people with Macs here on Pouet! (hi Gloom!)


Is there even software to host VSTs on Amiga? o_O

@xyz:
1. non-vst,builtin... - if you use a VST host defined in the list, when it's allowed to use his native build in modules unless the are related with synthesis, using modules based on samples is not allowed.
2. Size limitation, what is wrong with samples... - yeah, we have tons competitions with samples, what's wrong with realy nice and effective music synthesis?
The point in this compo is to focus on synthesized music. We are used to think that synthesized music sounds like 'bzz,ksss,pum' like music from C64/Atari/Spectrum. From the other side we use ton of samples made with synthesizers. I would even say that sometimes even about 70% samples in music composition comes from synthesizers!

Some VSTs are sample based...

@Tomoya, @Gloom,
We are talking a lot about using any VST-host. We are talking about any additional support to get access to Mac hardware and so on.
The point is that everybody is asking about 'additional hosts in the compo rules list' but only few are interested really in participating the competition.

I said, if somebody is interested in the compo, I will react.
Let's talk about facts.

Supernoise: good luck getting people to submit to your compo with that attitude :)

"It's allowed to use only freeware VST/VSTi synthesizers and VST-DSP units. No samples allowed" - is not workable. Many "virtual analog" synths use sampled single cycle waveforms from Moog etc, and you won't be able to tell.

@SuperNoise: when I mentioned samples (that are not simply being replayed, like in mods) I meant using them for things like convolution reverbs, granular synthesis, PPG style wavetables, feeding short sample bursts into Karplus Strong like algorithms, and so on
as for not allowing builtin host audio effects: why not if the only difference is that they are statically linked and not a VST DLL ?
anyways, your compo, your rules, my 2 cents ;)

@knos/gloom: yea, then remove the VST wrapper and call it an executable music compo :D