microsoft is killing the demoscene

category: general [glöplog]
They always managed to do it with all the versions with Office. Most companies won't even notice the fact that it's something different this time, especially when they have to install new PC's. ("Hey, look, new bundled sotware!")
added on the 2004-03-12 11:16:22 by Gargaj Gargaj
Gargaj, man, i'm not talking about m$-s off-the-shelf shit (well, some rather big companies still have policies about office 98 being the only useable version, and WinNT4.0 is the operating system, so we might even stick to them :) ), but what do you think, how many third party (NON M$) ware an average company is using?
Like for accounting, and special purpose sw-s tailored for the company?
I'm not talking about John Average's NoProfit LTD, who goes to the shop, and buys Access for accounting, but for companies with sw tailored for their needs. They surely don't want to pay again for those, only because MS had a good idea...
added on the 2004-03-12 12:29:23 by FooLman FooLman
I still disagree, but let's just hope future proves me wrong.

Ironically, if you check the original topic header ("microsoft is killing the demoscene"), it's pretty morbid that e.g. Pouët and Scene.org is actually on the"DirectX Related Communities"-list of MSDN...
added on the 2004-03-12 13:40:52 by Gargaj Gargaj
Microsoft has even an article about installing Linux to VirtualPC somewhere... :-p
added on the 2004-03-12 17:59:15 by BadSector BadSector
Of course they do. They will do anything as long as it runs on Windows.
added on the 2004-03-12 18:26:07 by moT moT
And did people suddenly stop making DOS demos when Windows 95 came out? I don't think we have to scream about the sky falling anytime soon.
added on the 2004-03-12 19:04:46 by phoenix phoenix
Not suddenly, but they did. And now they can't watch the old demos any more. Thank god for DOSBox.
added on the 2004-03-14 13:28:37 by tomcat tomcat
vmware is not a real alternative. Although it works like charm, as you still have to purchase a copy of win, install it, etc....

he said purchase... hee hee hee
added on the 2004-03-14 13:49:33 by reed reed
Upfront critcisim here, really.
Get a grip.
added on the 2004-03-14 17:52:00 by superplek superplek
as you still have to purchase a copy of win, install it, etc.... For an average workstation not running any constantly needed services - and a developer's workstation that is mostly - it's quite just another name for having a bootmanager with a windows option.
No, you don't have to boot everytime.. you can have windows and linux running at the same time and you can test your software on the real thing.. Thats the thing you wanted.. no? Sure you have to purchase it cause you want to know if it runs on it or not..
added on the 2004-03-14 18:01:04 by phred phred
It is official; Scene.org confirms: The demoscene is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered the demoscene community when Ojuice confirmed that the demoscene market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all home computers. Coming on the heels of a recent scene.org survey which plainly states that the demoscene has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we?ve known all along. The demoscene is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Flipcode programming contest.

You don?t need to be Abyss to predict the demoscene's future. The hand writing is on the wall: The demoscene faces a bleak future. In fact there won?t be any future at all for the demoscene because the demoscene is dying. Things are looking very bad for the demoscene. As many of us are already aware, The demoscene continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

The PC scene is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time demogroups Haujobb and Deck Blasters only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: The demoscene is dying.

Let?s keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

The C64 scene leader britelite states that there are 7000 C64 sceners. How many Amiga sceners are there? Let?s see. The number of the C64 scene versus the amiga scene posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 amiga sceners. The mobile scene posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of the amiga scene posts. Therefore there are about 700 mobile sceners. A recent article put the PC scene at about 80 percent of the the demoscene market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 PC demosceners. This is consistent with the number of the PC scene Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Microsoft, abysmal sales and so on, the PC scene went out of business and was taken over by consoles which are yet another troubled platform. Now the console scene is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that the demoscene has steadily declined in market share. The demoscene isvery sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If the demoscene is to survive at all it will be among language dilettante dabblers. The demoscene continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, The demoscene is dead.

Fact: The demoscene is dying
added on the 2004-03-14 23:11:55 by 216 216
i use vmware every day as part of my job, and must say its great. Resources aren't a big problem except memory, you need enough ram for your main os (linux or win) plus enough for whatever you want to run in it (256mb per machine is plenty for most stuff... if you're going to run 4 machines at once, better make sure you have plenty of ram :) Only real problem with it from a scene point of view is that it is still effectively an emulated machine, so you don't get much in the way of hardware features (i.e. decent video speed in DOS, no hardware 3d in win/linux) so you'll stuggle with anything other than windows software demos.

But if you were goiing to run linux and use win under vmware for coding, it would be fine so long as you don't need to test some 3d code etc.
added on the 2004-03-15 11:17:18 by psonice psonice
216: amen. :)
psonice: as you don't need to test some 3d code etc wtf? this thread started by observing that microsoft wants even the desktop to be accelerated... seriously, everything is 3d today, and will be even more tomorrow. so "emulation without 3d" is kinda pointless.
added on the 2004-03-15 13:00:25 by blala blala
blala: with that i was thinking more about the 'trusted computing' shit than the 3d interface. With vmware, you'd just turn that 3d shit right off.
added on the 2004-03-15 14:31:55 by psonice psonice
yes you can turn it off, but i meant that - away from accounting/database software - everybody wants to do 3d, and i won't be surprised if displaying database structures with 3d accel will be common too within a few years. so i repeat: today (and even more tomorrow) win/pc/etc emulation without 3d seems to be pointless (at least for me).
added on the 2004-03-15 14:58:19 by blala blala
blala: maybe so. But if that's the case, i'd be amazed if vmware has no 3d accel by then...

But my point was meant to be that if you want to avoid all the ms shit but still need windows you could run vmware under linux, and you could still use it for coding (not much for 3d, but for audio and various other stuff it would be fine) and you could use it alright for 2d gfx or music stuff.
added on the 2004-03-15 15:49:17 by psonice psonice
SUN also has their 3D desktop ready called Looking Glass:


and a presentation movie:

bullshit topic

no comment!
added on the 2004-03-16 02:05:12 by xbit xbit
spam push off
added on the 2004-03-17 20:26:58 by legalize legalize
Yeahhhhhh !
added on the 2004-04-18 00:39:16 by skarab skarab
too many layers of software APIs kill the demoscene.
added on the 2004-04-18 02:35:45 by xyz xyz
Dunno, but "demoscene" and "market share" don't seem like combinable words to me...
added on the 2004-04-18 03:43:58 by raer raer
Pixel Shaders are killing the demoscene!
added on the 2004-04-18 12:52:45 by Optimus Optimus
Agree with xbit: bullshit topic.

For how long people are whining about "scene is dying". Just stop talking SHIT and take part, compete, ...
Pixelshaders are killing the demoscene? No. Whining-Innovation-enemies kill the demoscene.

Baaaah...too much talking nonsense and too less people actually WORKING for the demoscene.

Feeling pissed now? Good! ;)
why should pixel shaders kill the scene???
added on the 2004-04-18 17:23:40 by ***ACE*** ***ACE***