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Iconoclast by Andromeda Software Development [web]
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screenshot added by zafos on 2005-07-31 01:26:07
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release date : july 2005
release party : Assembly 2005
compo : combined demo
ranked : 1st
  • rulez 325
  • is ok 36
  • sucks 8
popularity : 9%
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  • rulez 0.86
  • cdcs 3
alltime top: #27
added on the 2005-07-31 01:26:06 by zafos zafos

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Only PS 2.0 prod. > Waiting for DiVX.....
Screenshot looks breathtaking, but I'll be waiting for the DIVX too.
My most sincere congratulations. The future is now! ASD
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 02:07:22 by reality3D reality3D
one of the *best* demos ever made. i still have shivers down my back from the compo!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 02:08:17 by gloom gloom
Totally out of this world. There seems to be so much work put on this, the thing keeps going on and on and on...
Excellent music -I love the magic duo :)-, great visuals and insane effect show.
You did it again, congratulations.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 02:11:51 by ithaqua ithaqua
I was eagerly waiting for this demo and it was totally worth it. This is now my favourite, thanks for all the hard work, it was a pleasure to watch. The music was also fantastic.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 02:12:13 by imak imak
kickass
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 02:18:15 by Spewk Spewk
I don't know what to say, incredible!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 02:26:09 by 0xtob 0xtob
Just perfect. Congratulations.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 02:29:01 by slack slack
it's.... quite good! :) *amazing* love the tune also!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 02:36:18 by fgfgf fgfgf
A quick video version is available from this url http://amv.demoscene.gr/asd_iconoclast.avi
added on the 2005-07-31 03:28:14 by zafos zafos
Holy Fuck!!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 03:43:44 by Mike 3D Mike 3D
Breathtaking. No further comments needed.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 03:48:02 by Preacher Preacher
i rarelz seen such a bloated and overloaded demo like this. there would have been material in there for at least 4 much more coherent demos. sorrz, i can*t really understand the hype about this one. there is no common theme, the colorchoice is not coherent and even the music is a weird mix of styles. why overload a demo like that is a mystery to me.

i'm really tempted to thumb this down actually, last not least because it totally riuned my perception of the whole compo, but there is obviously much much effort put into this one and the single scenes are quite beautiful indeed.
added on the 2005-07-31 03:53:41 by dipswitch dipswitch
Firstly, thanks Zafos for the video. Secondly, thanks ASD for one of the most amazing demo experiences since I became a PC owner.

I'm a bit disappointed I had to watch it via video, but it totally warrants the hardward it uses and I have no complaints about that. If only all next generation demos looked this fabulous!

A masterpiece! I'm really blown away!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 04:40:42 by Shanethewolf Shanethewolf
one of the best pc-demos I have ever seen.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 04:51:03 by Prot-DHS Prot-DHS
http://amv.demoscene.gr/asd_iconoclast.avi avi... not sure how long it will last though.. ;)
added on the 2005-07-31 04:52:21 by Prot-DHS Prot-DHS
a great demo from ASD.
great design and good music.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 05:05:43 by got got
ALiEN's head is swimming. ;)
Buffer overrun, too much action error...
And the music is exhausting to some extent (high e-guitar).
But:
I got a mighty machine and Iconoclast is one of the very few demos that are really able to use resources this wise.
Design, visuals and code are incredibly striking. WOW!
All 12 ALiENthumbs up!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 06:12:17 by ALiEN^bf ALiEN^bf
Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!

And unlike Planet Risk, this thing runs smooth as silk on my machine.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 06:16:23 by sea_monkey sea_monkey
Awesome, didn't think they could top Planet Risk, but they did - and with some margin too I might add. Also, once again kudos for their brave, untraditional soundtrack choices. Pure style.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 06:56:17 by menace menace
I also really was wondering how ASD was going to top Planet Risk, but with this demo, they have. Design, music, visuals, all excellent. The flow is nice and it runs smooth as silk.. though so does Planet Risk on my machine. I will say that Planet Risk is still a very strong production in its own merit. Iconoclast has a different feel, but it's all ASD and it's all awesome!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 07:15:59 by ngtflyer ngtflyer
Oh, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned the little tribute to Future Crew in there.. Was I the first to recognize the piece from Second Reality?
added on the 2005-07-31 07:32:33 by ngtflyer ngtflyer
I hope no one mentioned the FC / Nooon homages because they're so obvious. :-) But definitely a hand-clapping nice touch. Yes, this is a great one.

A few scenes are missing elements on my GeFroce 6600 GT. Comparing to the video, that tube with a bunch of holes in the side is not there (but the yellow particles are), there's some random flickering throughout, and I don't see fatFace at all.

Still, stunning demo. Congratulations!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 07:43:42 by Luxo Luxo
Just a note, I watched the video as well and it looked exactly the same as it did on my 6600GT. I am running the NVidia release driver 77.72. P4 3.2ghz, 1G ram, XP.
added on the 2005-07-31 07:53:42 by ngtflyer ngtflyer
it cant't go much better than this
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 08:30:25 by sam sam
ASD did it again!!! They let everyone speechless.
Navis did you ever fall into any huge boiling marmite?
You got it people!!! Amazing Soundtrack amusic and levi scored!!!! amv and ch3 kicked butt and navis OMG...I have no words...Respect and worship to Andromeda Software Development
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 08:46:34 by sybeX sybeX
*pro* well i liked transitions, and it was going on all the time. maybe not my cup of tea, but good, and deserved winner, if it going to win.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 10:30:08 by uns3en_ uns3en_
I have to say that doesn't have the quality, timing, flow of planet risk, some scenes are quite boring, nothing happening, some cameras are v bad.. but hey! the transitions are still there, and again are great!

The music is v original, and the part of second reality was v shocking, tho I missed a bit more references on that part, after stars one the camera does nothing..

Thumbs up ovbiously, but again, I expected a instant classic again.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 10:30:37 by mrdoob mrdoob
Absolutely stunning, winner for sure!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 10:34:29 by Intrinsic Intrinsic
I think one can safely add 'ranked 1st' to this demo, it doesn't have any decent competition...
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 10:45:52 by bhead bhead
(I got it working fine. Had to disable secondary monitor.)
added on the 2005-07-31 10:54:16 by Luxo Luxo
as always... wow
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 10:56:43 by Jcl Jcl
Well... uhmmm... errr... what a demo... again :o
Incredible effects, amazing music, transitions, graphics, everything... I agree with dipswitch, the demo is overloaded, and I think the music is too chaotic (as usual with asd :). But, god... there're some scenes, like the greetings one, the initial music, the... congratulations for such a piece of art :)
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 11:03:33 by yero yero
BEAUTIFULL!!!!!! What a beauty. What a beast of a demo. Nice one ;-) I just wonder if ASD will ever change their style and stun us with something quite different in the future.. Thumps up!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 11:08:19 by magic magic
WICKED SICK!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 11:12:16 by las las
k-donk.. that's the sound of my jaw hitting the floor!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 11:27:23 by bigpimpin bigpimpin
urgh, a bit too much of everything
sucksadded on the 2005-07-31 11:32:38 by ricky martin ricky martin
there's a point where complexity becomes too much for the viewer - asd (and especially the music) is now standing on that fine red line, happily flipping off both sides. i expected more moshability for the music but i guess i'll get used to it sooner or later. massive props for, as kb said during the demo, "achieving that every 20 seconds you have to wonder where the fuck am i".
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 11:33:08 by Gargaj Gargaj
It ran silksmooth on my PC and what a BLAST!!! The best demo i have seen, i have always loved ASD demo but i couldnt imagine that it could get so damn good.

I love this style, so damn good choice of colors and lovely effects all over.

Now i hope ASD really get 1st place at Assembly :)
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 11:37:41 by Zplex Zplex
Wonderful demo , wow ..
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 11:42:26 by scg_ scg_
Very massive product, but doesn't add much to last year's demo. One of the best demos of the year so far.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 11:51:00 by dixan dixan
master thumbs up, im thinking if i've ever seen anything even nicer than this (including my naked model ex-gf : )

the music is extraordinary, the demo composition is great.. you just don't know what to look at first, there are so much pretty things on the screen in the same time..
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 12:07:59 by nula nula
Perhaps perfect.

I happen to like imperfections (: so to me, this is something I'd like to leave as ASD's style, and see folks have fun developing their own.
2 words, MAD SHIT! though the wow-factor was less then Planet risk, its absolutely stunning, i love the flawless transitions and a good overdose of ps2.0 fx... musicwise, gimme deathmetal next time !! this guitarrock is too cheesy for me =)
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 12:37:44 by alien^PDX alien^PDX
The "flow" part was nice with the cubes and music.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 12:38:12 by winden winden
The usual ASD.. Pretty and colourful mass of blurry hyperglowing visuals, nice transitions, no sense of style whatsoever. I guess it's like the new year fireworks, not bad when seen once a year but any more would be excessive. Sorry, this just isn't for my taste. Great music though.
added on the 2005-07-31 12:38:51 by break break
Makes everything else look dated and puny.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 12:39:16 by tomaes tomaes
insane :)
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 12:40:38 by Maali Maali
here's the obligatory thumb up. great demo, guys!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 12:48:04 by melw melw
omg, i'm definitely fan! awesome demos guys!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 12:57:10 by iks iks
amazing...
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 12:57:47 by [self-ban] [self-ban]
great music and style
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 12:58:16 by Kauto Kauto
video here http://amv.demoscene.gr/asd_iconoclast.avi
added on the 2005-07-31 13:00:23 by Spewk Spewk
blue7: thanks for the tip, I had the same problem here too
added on the 2005-07-31 13:01:23 by ithaqua ithaqua
trace : imho this IS an instant classic ;D
wow
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 13:02:43 by v3nom v3nom
And it goes on..., and on..., and on... :-)
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 13:14:04 by sparcus sparcus
Oh shit... this is just amazing!

btw. music sucks
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 13:27:22 by zehbra zehbra
v3nomsoup: I don't think so, too long and the flow is not good enought in some parts.. the end for example.. is boring, the scene with the robots, sharks, and credits.. it does have other awesome scenes.. but, i'm not going to watch it more times that I watched planet risk.
added on the 2005-07-31 13:27:50 by mrdoob mrdoob
watched this over assembly TV during the compo... and my jaw dropped again and again. naturally the orgas showed this one last. a clear winner it is! lots and lots of nicely polished content. and the music was interesting too, giving many different moods in the demo. what can I say? Just awesome work guys!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 13:59:31 by mri mri
Technically and musically speaking, this is one of the best things i have seen until now. Sometimes, in some scenes, the music evolves but the visuals continue with smooth camera movements, and this could make decay the wow effect depending of the profile of the people watching it

Anyway, don't forget that exactly that is one of the things that define the style of this marvelous people combination

Simply grandious :)
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 14:05:52 by merlucin merlucin
"Hey guys look at all the shiny stuff we made for ASM during the last year! It'll only take a short while!"

Some of the scenes are absolutely brilliant and the transitions are slick. However, I second dipswitch in the complete and utter lack of coherence on the whole.

added on the 2005-07-31 14:38:52 by Shifter Shifter
after over a decade, demos are finally more impressive than games again :) Good stuff!
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 14:57:15 by Inopia Inopia
probably the most impressive pc demo i've ever seen, however, i thought the music was totally ill fitting.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 15:06:54 by parcelshit parcelshit
However, ASD productions have TOO much in common.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 15:24:55 by imbusy imbusy
i got bored big time while watching this,
but best code anyway.. oh yes, the demotune sucks a lot! tehkäähän välillä oikeita demoja..
sucksadded on the 2005-07-31 15:38:53 by mazor_ mazor_
what the guy above me said. the finnish part also.
sucksadded on the 2005-07-31 15:51:22 by jeesjees jeesjees
great visual & music, as your last prods.
really great transitions, as your last prods.
i enjoy to see clearly some 3d scenes in this one.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 16:16:18 by skarab skarab
The now usual "let's use as much shaders as we can, it's free" ASD's recipe & as cheesy as usual (some well thought scenes, tho).
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 16:17:31 by hitchhikr hitchhikr
I just have to admire you guys because you have the stamina to do such massive and long demos with loads and loads and loads and loads of stuff. This one had stuff worth at least 3 or 4 demos.

But... As far as i can see this is only Planet Risk 2, bringing nothing new to the table. High-contrast scenes with loads of light-effects and glow indeed work very well and look beautifull, but you should try to renew yourself once in a while. I'm willing to forgive you this time, but don't do it again ;)
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 16:18:00 by kurli kurli
Awesome. A bit too GPU heavy in some parts, but awesome :-)
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 16:36:38 by BadSector BadSector
you guys _rock_
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 16:40:30 by giZMo^fr giZMo^fr
I don´t believe my eyes. You greek guys always ruled. But this production give me strong punch into head. With this quality demos you can win every demoparty you want.

Other asm2005 prods are like jokeprods comparing with this beuatifull scene dream.

THANK YOU !

rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 16:50:46 by Trauma Zero Trauma Zero
insane amount of detail and fantastic code/visuals symbiosis.
only major flaw for me is the pacing. some scenes simply don't catch the motion of the music, thus violating the otherwise great flow of the experience.
music, as always, is controversial. maybe the same style with a slightly more obvious climax would create an even more intense atmosphere? but i guess the music will grow on me after watching a few hundred times anyway :)
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 16:51:35 by fiver2^fB fiver2^fB
loads of glowing/tech/polybashing/morping stuff going on and it looks awesome. but with the music, the theme and storyboard.. somehow this thing doesn't move me at all.. sorry.
added on the 2005-07-31 17:00:14 by earx earx
i like it
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 17:02:15 by ileaardbei ileaardbei
that's by far the best demo for a long, long time. just beautiful.

(hint: red-blue glasses)
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 17:02:19 by ld0d ld0d
People probably know that I'm usually a fan of simpler, even "outdated" demo designs. However I've been a big fan of ASD's demos for several years now and I always knew they'd be #1 at Assembly for some day.

The music is not my cup of tea really, but it gives the demo an original fresh feeling and contributes to the atmosphere. I also like the way they included some traditional Greek music (can't remember the name of the instrument) in the soundtrack.

I can't wait to try the 3D glasses.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 17:37:27 by DiamonDie DiamonDie
suhteellisen jaa.
added on the 2005-07-31 17:48:07 by dodke dodke
silky smooth transitions between scenes (as per usual), and consistent (and very elaborate ;) colour scheme used. all this adds to a nice presentation. it's just that I've seen all this before in a very identical form by you guys...
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 17:53:42 by funktion funktion
I guess thats it then, huh?
Lets just close down the demoscene now. Last man to leave, take the lights.

rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 17:57:36 by eebliss eebliss
nice demo. but it's just another ASD demo. same colormix, same music style, same transition technique.

but nothing 'new' in there...

fake - plan for creating ASD demos:
-use cool meshes
-put some nice shaders'n'textures over them
-use sort of random camera movements
-overlay, overlay, overlay with random linesanddotsandtextures
-postprocess it
-if there is a transition in your timeline, mix those scenes together, use same camera movements, blur the buffers, fake the buffers and do some manual adjustments
-try to avoid content
-release it

just kidding ;) but pleaaaaaaaase do something more innovative now.
added on the 2005-07-31 18:22:34 by pro pro
Great demo!

I made a high quality 260 MB MPEG-2 capture for those of you with more bandwidth than GPU.

http://www.darkside.no/asd-iconoclast_mpeg2.mpg.torrent
added on the 2005-07-31 19:15:31 by neon neon
http://www.darkside.no/asd-iconoclast_mpeg2.mpg.torrent

A clickable link and the thumbs up I forgot. :/
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 19:16:35 by neon neon
When something is this good you just don't have the heart to write down its flaws. But I think the last minute (with the cubes/sharks/fatface...or maybe the whole part starting from the hourglass - cause it really feels like a different demo) could have been easily left out, they just spoil the climax.
But goddamn guys you did it again... Now would be a good time to retire ;)
Massive thumbs up.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 21:00:50 by zoom zoom
@everyone who blames the greek guys for being repetetive... where were your highly original and exceptionally creative entries? not at this compo I guess... 8)
added on the 2005-07-31 21:33:51 by bhead bhead
ps: sure it lacks coherence big time, but given the weak compo it had to compete, it's a clear winner and a landmark demo as well (for its eclecticity at least)
added on the 2005-07-31 21:35:51 by bhead bhead
The greek music at the beginning made me smile. The demo reminds me of Planet Risk, but this time with somehow nicer and a bit more clear visuals, especially after the middle (nice oldschool demo references). I am not sure whether I like Planet Risk or this one more. I think I am getting used to this massive ammount of effects in one screen and every time I watch an ASD demo, I tend to be more focused in order to understand what's going on. And this massive amount of code and art blends perfectly with this kind of music! I need to watch it thrice to get more of the visuals. And wth can I buy a set of 3d glasses?
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 21:52:57 by Optimus Optimus
i think you put demoscene to a really high level with it :) thanks
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 22:01:46 by med med
I don't understand how the rumor about 3d glasses spread out =) No there is no effect that intentionaly requires 3d glasses.

As for an answer to the "why" some people ask.. there might be an answer in the .nfo =)
added on the 2005-07-31 22:03:54 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
wow, this was.... cheap.

however, i do admire your stamina and some of the code seems quite neat, so I'll save this thumb down for the next time you release a mess of additive blended mediocre scenes with butt ugly overlays. sometimes less is more.
added on the 2005-07-31 22:15:01 by kusma kusma
uhm, i'd like to add that this is atleast a much more worthy winner than last year.
added on the 2005-07-31 22:16:56 by kusma kusma
hmm....

this is really so obviously good that there's no way to get around the "rulez" rating. still, the music did absolutely nothing for me, and the thing on the whole does seem very incoherent (though asd's trademark transitions save it).
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 22:21:47 by ryg ryg
Outstanding work. ASD is building a healthy reputation for beautiful and well-produced demos. The thing that gets you with this demo is how much hard work that seems to have been but down in the process of creating it. And that work has really paid off. Beautiful, well directed, and thoroughly planned. The fact that Navis is so down-to-earth and modest about his genius simply adds to the enjoyment.
rulezadded on the 2005-07-31 22:32:10 by Betong Betong
Fantastic! Like 'tint' did nine years ago on amiga, just goes on and on and on with one part better than the other.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 00:26:16 by evil evil
Just one added comment.. I loved this demo. It is a real treat to watch. The only thing that seemed to hurt the flow was the cut scene from where the first face was shown to the water/hallway scene. It seemed a little out of place. The rest really has a nice polished look, sound and feel.
added on the 2005-08-01 07:10:05 by ngtflyer ngtflyer
Simply an amazing demo. As simple as that.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 09:37:05 by roz roz
very delightful but a little overloaded
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 10:21:15 by diodak diodak
*squirt* *squirt*.. you just touch.. my.. tralalala.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 10:55:06 by Vulture Vulture
Amazing, really blew me away. Planet risk is my favourite demo, but this looks better. I'll have to watch a few more times to really see, but as it stands, this is perhaps the best demo of all time for me. Congratulations!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 10:58:41 by psonice psonice
Hello to all our friends !

Back home now, everything is a blur - I still need to catch lots of sleep and straighten my S-curved back (CONCRETE HORROR).

A couple of things about this prod :

Well the driving force behind this demo was rather clear. Try to do something that could win the compo (I tend to think of it as winning the hearts of viewers rather than winning over the demos of our fellow groups).

Some people have certain aspirations from a young age - some want to own a Ferrari one day, ours was to go and retrieve the silmarils (the cup) off Morgoth's (Abyss) lair (the stage) : Highly impossible, but a noble cause nevertheless.
Well, chance helped a bit, and it did happen ! I didn't happen last year, but that helped to make our connections with the scene stronger, and somehow build a small heritage, a line.

Now, since this is over, we can really do things in a different way, get back to the drawing board and stay there for long. Holidays now, see you soon..
added on the 2005-08-01 11:14:28 by Navis Navis
Oh and just one more thing... It would have ruled big time if you had made the whole demo using greek music, not just the intro. But maybe next time ;)
added on the 2005-08-01 11:16:25 by kurli kurli
One of the few reasons ( few but strong ) why we ( cocoon ) are still doing demos.
I did not really like it on streaming but the real time final result is a masterpiece. You made guille nearly cry ...
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 11:38:43 by nytrik nytrik
This demo really deserves the 1st place at ASM. Planet risk and Dreamchild also did.
ASD rules!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 11:53:23 by algar algar
respects from whole madwizards demoteam. this is the one of few demos you want to run and run and run again. great!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 13:32:30 by azzaro azzaro
what dipswitch said.
added on the 2005-08-01 14:02:19 by gg|rhg gg|rhg
I can't think of anything to add, but here's my thumb :)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 14:25:52 by ravity ravity
jesus, it is sooo long...
The visuals and the transisitions are breathtaking. Althought the amount of work is evident, I like "planet risk" more. At first I hated the music, but after watching a hundret times, I was converted. Maybe the same will happen with Iconoclast.

A big extra-thumb for recognizing 16:10 ;-)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 15:43:55 by pixtur pixtur
To put it in a nutshell: GREAT!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 15:59:50 by mizc mizc
I'm speechless. I have no speech.

Dalí couldn't make it better.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 16:04:37 by xernobyl xernobyl
please stop it.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 16:46:10 by bzz bzz
all that!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 16:59:40 by madMixx madMixx
best demo in this kindof style ever. very impressive work.
just one thing, i hope it doesnt spawn a whole load of clones from other people.. that'll get boring pretty fast. :)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 17:13:57 by smash smash
not my style at all. "let's do as many glowing particles as possible in as many colors as we can". ok for effort and nice 2d gfx.
added on the 2005-08-01 17:18:25 by shiva shiva
it looked good, but you pushed it too much, didnt fit together good enough to rule as a demo, but the visuals are truly amazing. And music, dream theater inspired? :)
added on the 2005-08-01 18:19:26 by quisten quisten
Never change a winning concept, eh? :)

Well, I loved just about everything in Planet Risk and this is a clear sequel, so it's kind of obvious I love this _almost_ as much. And I think amusic and leviathan should get best soundtrack from scene.org awards for their massive soundtrack in this one (should've got one from planet risk as well).

I wanna join the ASD fanclub :(
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 18:47:46 by teel teel
How can ASD make all this beautiful content ? and so well sequenced ? i wonder ...
Just one word : RuleZ !
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 19:05:42 by kohai kohai
Simply AMAZING! loved the start and the music:)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 19:34:38 by frits_gr frits_gr
Pretty much mindblowing. The soundtrack alone had been enough for me :P
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 19:42:19 by nightbeat nightbeat
brilliant. funny 2nd reality reference.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 19:55:54 by violator violator
The soundtrack is just perfect in eclectism, and eclectism is what I like :)

The rest is beautiful and shows dedication, can only bow to that :)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 19:57:23 by _-_-__ _-_-__
this MASTERPIECE puts to shame every work of art locked in museums :D
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 20:03:21 by Zest Zest
Ok, I thought most demos would never be funny to watch two times in a row but this one really blew me away at the party, and the nicest thing to it was the homage to future crew :-)

What I think blew me away the most was the endless ride and the music, the second part of the demo beats the living crap out of most music today.

This makes visiting asm worth it alone.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 20:33:10 by thec thec
excellent demo for the masses but with strong attitude.
The music is a real and excellent soundtrack. I would have prefered massive real drums rather than drumbox and a deeper sound "à la hollywood". But okay. That's fine.
One of the best demos I have seen so far in 15 years of demoscene.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 21:20:30 by oxb oxb
Gorgeous. It really has a great overall feeling!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 21:50:41 by mSW mSW
imho even better than planet risk
added on the 2005-08-01 22:35:31 by v3nom v3nom
No comments needed. Excellent.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 22:35:38 by jimmi jimmi
I don't like the picture of John the Baptist in the 2nd scene.
They should respect everyone's religion.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 22:52:56 by Led Led
superb !
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 23:17:31 by 0x$$ 0x$$
I love you guys! I especially enjoyed the music - outstanding!!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 23:41:37 by ghandy ghandy
started off promising, a nice scene where you draw some crappy lines and lofted them.. otherwise rather booring 3d (exept for the skeletonfishes) mixed with glow..

tempted to press "sucks", but i can wait until some lamer thumbs it up because its technical superduperity.
added on the 2005-08-01 23:43:32 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
Yay, Technical superduperity !!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 23:49:55 by Navis Navis
Its Superduperity!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-01 23:50:14 by mempheria mempheria
Superduperity! <3
added on the 2005-08-01 23:53:04 by Preacher Preacher
ok
sucksadded on the 2005-08-02 00:22:33 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
Beautiful!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-02 01:02:53 by Pepus Pepus
didn't enjoy it...but i can see that it took work and it's still pretty slick
added on the 2005-08-02 02:18:39 by pdx pdx
I heard several people say "not more, not more" as the demo went on at the competition. There was just such an overflow of good content matched with good music, that we had all capitulated after half the demo - and then you delivered twice as much again. Most impressive for me was the rotating fire-spitting "saw" style objects, the refraction planes with the bird behind them and also the clock (in the screenshot) which was a nice break from the abstract.

Top production - one of the most impressive I've seen since I started watching demos in 1988.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-02 09:50:09 by scanner scanner
Don't like the music, but the productions seems pretty tight considering it's not a "professional" recording.
Anyhoo... the visual design...
Motherfuck.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-02 11:49:53 by lug00ber lug00ber
wanna say thanks for the some of the best 8 minutes of demowatching i ever had. wow. :)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-02 12:07:41 by dabb dabb
rulezadded on the 2005-08-02 12:33:10 by jomafister jomafister
this was super-super-nice.. cool abstract stuff.. neat modelled stuff.. nice ideas (especially the hints to older demos!)..
GREAT!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-02 13:00:02 by toxie toxie
I'd probably give it a thumb up if it wasn't so totally overrated by (almost) everyone.
added on the 2005-08-02 14:48:09 by dodke dodke
what a trip! incredible visuals and transitions. my favourite scene: when the polaroids fly across the screen - wow!
the music is also great in many parts - especially when it comes to traditional greek, french or arabian stuff. the shop-soiled 8oies guitars are a bit overused in my opinion, but hey - i can live with them.
massive respect for all this effort!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-02 15:30:26 by a-move a-move
thumb up... again
rulezadded on the 2005-08-02 16:02:16 by T33 T33
familiar ASD style. I didn't think the blood/war references fit into the colourful psychedelia. Still rulez for all the fat transitions and the great flow and effects overall.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-02 19:33:04 by loaderror loaderror
It is demos like this that make me stick to making 4k intros. You are truly insane! :)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-02 19:41:03 by Blueberry Blueberry
Who said the scene is dead? Hello? Hello?
added on the 2005-08-03 00:04:41 by sybeX sybeX
Was?
added on the 2005-08-03 00:58:05 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
amusic and lev, very nice music!
added on the 2005-08-03 01:15:17 by mempheria mempheria
I have not been particularly fond of ASD's earlier work, far too messy for my taste.
This demo however, I just can't dislike. I can only agree with the simile someone posted earlier - it's like fireworks. And more like the entire fireworks factory exploding, effect upon effect attacking your retinas - and somehow it works, it actually looks good!

I also enjoyed the "find the references to old demos"-game. Since there's so much going on, you actually need to watch out for them.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 01:49:44 by Sdw Sdw
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 02:03:51 by psenough psenough
<<Using red/cyan 3D-glasses got stereo image!>> .:: Manwe ::.

That's how the rumour started...:P
added on the 2005-08-03 04:41:14 by sybeX sybeX
thats an eyecandy
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 06:07:50 by NuKem NuKem
not really my cup of tea, but all in all it was very pretty. only spoiler was that "stars wonders of the world and second reality" -part.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 11:25:34 by chavez chavez
beautiful massive work .... good use of the shaders its the best preview of the next generation of demos
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 13:01:10 by ken0 ken0
Ruled the bigscreen and compo. Best thing is the transitions and the water effects with refraction.

Trivia: Navis told me the model in the screenshot is from an ancient "machine" found on a Mediterranean island and is thought to have been used to calculate the positions of the sun/moon/stars (did I remember it right, Navis?). Anyway, it's considered the first "computer".
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 13:14:16 by ManJIT ManJIT
ManJIT : Yes, and it is
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Kythera.htm
added on the 2005-08-03 14:01:51 by Navis Navis
Superb...
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 14:08:17 by JosSs JosSs
Fantastic!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 14:38:24 by rbz rbz
This demo was like eating 6kg of candy.. there's a huge amount of very impressive stuff. The problem is that none of those killer effects felt like anything special since there was nothing else.

Thumbs up for the insane amount of work that must have gone into this demo.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 17:31:54 by noid noid
Wicked awesome demo. I don't know what to change in it to make it better. Just awesome.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 19:31:05 by boni boni
I liked it until the 'modern widescreen' section, but that's still a whole lot to like. Kudos!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 19:39:05 by sagacity sagacity
Planet Risk v2
Cool ideas, cool effects..
Gj! :)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 19:55:09 by aClient aClient
i would happily waste some bandwidth for a higher quality video...
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 23:13:29 by blala blala
Fantastic :) Really great production... and Music rules Bigtime... please, much more of this :)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-03 23:30:57 by SaphirJD SaphirJD
usually i find asd-demos kinda messy but this one just had too much beautiful content (both visually and musically) for me to ignore.
deserved to win.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-04 10:59:51 by lithis lithis
really good work
rulezadded on the 2005-08-04 12:05:53 by psc80 psc80
so fuckin' incredible! ASD foreva
rulezadded on the 2005-08-04 16:38:19 by zeebr zeebr
i'm with dipswitch and shifter on this one. sometimes too much is just too much.
added on the 2005-08-04 16:44:17 by uncle-x uncle-x
best demo ever, the transition between each scene is perfect and smooth, it is very long but since there are so many scenes it doesn't really get boring. Effects are used naturally, not like if they want to show off single effects, it is more like in a rendered movie (effects actually contribute to the scene and are not used just for show off).

This is just impressive! I think if the quality of each scene is as high as in this prod it CAN'T be "too much"! i beg you for more! :D

The video version should have a higher quality though :/
rulezadded on the 2005-08-04 19:34:00 by Lupin Lupin
A high quality video (about 300mb) is currently being uploaded. Will post url when it's up.
added on the 2005-08-04 19:57:16 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
nice :) kinda funny that these days it is actually pcdemos that needs videocapture. not amigademos like before :)
added on the 2005-08-04 20:08:37 by Prot-DHS Prot-DHS
technically impressive, nice ideas and very flowy, but visually somewhat ugly. music too rocky.
added on the 2005-08-04 23:05:11 by rac rac
<lompas> gia mia fora se auth th gamhmenh zwh, gia mia mera, thn eixa megalyterh apo olous
added on the 2005-08-04 23:43:03 by amv amv
You just have to respect the insane amount of work that has obviously gone into this demo.
Quality.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-05 01:19:09 by Shockwave Shockwave
One of the masterpieces of modern demoscene.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-05 15:34:18 by cubiQ cubiQ
wow. all scenes are very beautiful and the transitions between them are awesome as hell. although, there is no global "theme" the viewer can follow (others said it before already).
But i disagree saying it's a bad thing, it's a showoff of a lot of nice effects which have been composed very nicely. what more could you expect from a demo?
well, the music isn't really my taste, but it fits perfectly imho. next time, why dont you just not use a guitar? ;)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-05 19:10:32 by red red
Plus:

- Navis uses vim! (as the .swp file in \gceffects shows :)
- Some source is there
- Lots of effects

Minus:

- Music
- Slow on my machine(Athlon@1.8ghz & radeon 9600)
- Lots of effects with transitions do not a good demo make.
- The demo seems to be made to be a showcase for modern gfx cards and nothing else, no design, no anything
- Why placing the number of faces rendered on a machine which has open architecture? In a few words this will be a laughable number.

In fewer words:

Demos like these make me hate myself for being a part of the demo scene, and discourage me from coding anything on PCs (Ataris only here, PCs are for work and games)

So....
sucksadded on the 2005-08-05 19:23:55 by ggn ggn
Can I recommend to the Greek Atari peasant to crawl back to his cave ?.

Cheers,
Kostas.

(ps. I have had enough of your vitreous commends for our work and our team, over a year now, and I must say your new attack doesn't come as a surprise. Your ignorance on simple scene history (look at your comment on 'faces' above) makes you look even more spiteful and pathetic than you already are. Shame on you).
added on the 2005-08-05 20:00:40 by Navis Navis
now that IS quality!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-05 20:15:25 by darkus darkus
I certainly don't have a problem with showing off modern gfx cards and ADS do that brilliantly, sod all those futuremark 'realistic' nature demos etc. :)

Music seemed a bit odd in places, maybe a little too long but overall a well deserved 1st place.

Planet Risk is still my fav.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-05 20:15:35 by WoodlandSpirit WoodlandSpirit
ggn you are such ignorant that you could not recognise that the bee scene is a tribute to three of the best intros/demos ever made : Second Reality, Stars and Cyboman 2. Just watch this one : http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=301 and stop making a fool of yourself!
added on the 2005-08-05 20:19:21 by zafos zafos
that hi quality mpeg roled
added on the 2005-08-05 22:39:04 by thec thec
Ok.. be gentle with this one =).. my server is not a high bandwidth one. So if someone can upload it to a good server it would be class =) http://www.amusic.gr/files/Iconoclast_HQ.avi (~300mb XViD)
added on the 2005-08-05 23:43:21 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
"Lots of effects with transitions do not a good demo make."

well, oh wise one, why not enlighten us as to what makes a good demo?
Quote:
Lots of effects with transitions do not a good demo make

you'd have to see it to believe it! what a fucking brick
added on the 2005-08-06 00:26:05 by eebliss eebliss
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added on the 2005-08-06 00:32:22 by eebliss eebliss
here are some morons... this demo is awesome. the transitions, the music, the style... just awesome.. anyone who thinks otherwise, get you ass whoopin' courtesey of me! ASD totally rocks, and it's so great that there are finally demos with guitar sounds. keep it up. i don't know how you can keep up the steady flow of releasing high quality productions... respect!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 00:37:31 by bartman bartman
Really impressive visuals, transitions and of course awesome music :O
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 00:53:22 by KILE KILE
I seriously have no idea how anyone can bitch about the music. It's talent and skill that put together such a track. Theres programming, playing, changing time signatures, live instruments, midi, realtime keyboards, these guys just flat out rock. Sure beats all the other plonky plonky echoed resonant filtered techno junk we get spoon fed constantly.

The visuals and coding and gfx are all suberb as well. Of course it's just glowing objects and shaders and blah blah blah... Duh, they're using the same technologies and code everyone else is?! Just in a different, interesting and very stylistic way.

They don't need me to defend against the haters, it speaks for it's own, but it's nice to openly point out that I see it for what it is, and respect it wholy. Doesn't hurt that I actually like it to boot. Keep it up fellas.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 01:07:46 by troll troll
it was very impressive on the big screen, my breath was taken away waiting for "what they will show next"... ah yes, that tubular/conical flower-o-lights... probably just etched in my memory :D.. best greetings to you guys :)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 01:13:33 by tomkh tomkh
great music
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 01:47:12 by pulse pulse
uh, planet risk is still my fav too btw :P
added on the 2005-08-06 02:01:28 by pulse pulse
Wow, I love this demo!! Music wasn't my type either, but dang very pretty!!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 09:49:48 by AntDude AntDude
Superb!!!
I'd loved transitions, effects, and MUSIC!!! maybe the best demo i've ever seen...

... let's see it again!! god! i'm in love with a demo!!!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 11:09:20 by xphere xphere
A lot of effort and talent there, d00ds.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 11:14:19 by Marq Marq
locks down at the end (0% cpu usage, win2003, gt6600). it supposedly took immersive amount of work to be finished, but i've got the feeling you guys overused the transitions and the music is way too chaotic for me. (like if the musician could not find a good note for the demo, and skipped from one idea to another). in other words, nicely designed, but still not my place of the dish. sorry.
added on the 2005-08-06 11:57:02 by kbi kbi
well, i wouldnt call this one a masterpiece,but still its good and solid one.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 12:28:31 by blz blz
(I definitively prefer Iconoclast to PlanetRisk)

Well, I probably love this demo for the exact same reasons why some others don't like it.

GGN: You makes me feel pity for you, fortunately you are not representative of the ATARI demo scene.
I like it because it is so full of everything that you can't figure at out all there is on one single view. So many morphing things, external references, but all not as some said "all blured in additive blending". No, you can definitively see it all (or change your video card and drivers :p).

Some says there is no main theme, or that too much is too much, but I see it like a kind of dream, a cadavre-exquis where parts are related only by the transition, making it a cool game to try to imagine what will be coming next considering what we currently have (like the ride along the "lines" that happens to be flowers queues...).

And I love the music too.

The only part I don't really like is the end thing with the "apes".

Great work from ASD, and definitively happy they got the reward for what I think is a long succession of great but badly ranked demos :)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 13:24:18 by Dbug Dbug
music rulez. the rest is also good :)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 15:02:58 by nostre nostre
\o/ ! It might be possible that ggn was a classmate of mine in primary school.

ggn: mhpws phgaines Kargakou dhmotiko?
added on the 2005-08-06 15:34:33 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
gadzooks!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 16:17:55 by praetor_alpha praetor_alpha
i dont like the music at all!! and the demo is ok..
added on the 2005-08-06 18:34:32 by rave-n rave-n
simply rulez
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 21:09:27 by RandomGr RandomGr
Excelent music, and it just looks and feels damn good.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-06 21:54:31 by Lord Graga Lord Graga
dbug: I have to second those words!
added on the 2005-08-06 22:28:45 by Prot-DHS Prot-DHS
I wonder if it would be possible to get a version with a resolution switch..? I think it might look _even_ better in 1024x768, and at least the compo version runs without a hitch on my machine.
added on the 2005-08-06 23:03:23 by Preacher Preacher
Yeay give us a 1024x768 version!! cewl!!
added on the 2005-08-06 23:18:52 by magic magic
a 1024x768 is technically possible, but at the moment I am very busy to make one. Sorry, I have to wait to find the time for this...
added on the 2005-08-07 00:27:02 by Navis Navis
Navis: I read about the Antikythera. Cool and interesting stuff! But is the model in the demo an exact copy of the machine? There seems to be more and bigger wheels in some of the pictures.
Have you seen the real device (in a museum) or the replica?
added on the 2005-08-07 03:12:48 by ManJIT ManJIT
I have hard-copied the mechanism after looking at the photos... (guesswork).

Unfortunately I haven't seen the original in life, but one day..
added on the 2005-08-07 21:49:00 by Navis Navis
Total ownage, even if a bit chaotic
rulezadded on the 2005-08-07 22:22:12 by shash shash
Gee, sorry for expressing my opinion publically. I guess it's something of a crime now???

To aMUSIC: Kargakou??? Den nomizw

Going back to my cave now....
added on the 2005-08-08 07:55:13 by ggn ggn
To clarify a bit my posts (as most flame wars usually start over misunderstandings):

This is not a personal attack at asd or anyone. It's just my views on demos, and well, since asd's demo was the winning one at asm 05, I only watched that one from the entire compo (yes I know, but I still only have a feeble 56k modem at home).

For some reason, most PC demos really bore me to tears and usually don't watch them till the end. My first post reflected some of this (maybe a bit too aggresively? Apologies for those who felt offended. I just felt frustrated for DLing something over modem only to find out that I didn't like at all).

I could go on and on, but bottom line: Keep creating people, I won't bother you again.
added on the 2005-08-08 08:31:17 by ggn ggn
Great demo! Nifty little references too, I'm not that much into the music - but thumbs up for being different none the less. Keep it up! Great stuff coming up I hope!

The demo feel not might not entirely be there, and I don't know exactly why. But kick ass transitions making demos what they should be in that regard.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-08 11:49:23 by d3pth d3pth
\o/
rulezadded on the 2005-08-08 12:43:23 by tomcat tomcat
excellent demo.. 8.5/10 point :))
rulezadded on the 2005-08-08 17:12:10 by spritus spritus
I feel asleep during this demo.

Boring...
added on the 2005-08-09 15:09:58 by scoutski scoutski
Rulez big time! I can't imagine how much time should be spent placing, timing and tweaking all the little details in it.

But for some reason it seems that the clock/gears scene got the gears wrong (i.e. their spinning and teeth sizes are physically wrong). Not a problem though, lots of demos get gear movement or even the concept of a gear wrong (shameless plug: Syntonic Dentiforms got them right :))
rulezadded on the 2005-08-09 17:45:09 by NeARAZ NeARAZ
Totaly cool transitions all the way. Rulez big time, super super super demo.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-10 07:32:12 by Master S Master S
i'm a bit disappointed, because despite stunning visuals and code, music is definitely not my cup of tea :( with some more demoish soundtrack it could have been probably the best demo ever for me.
by the way, how long did it take you to code/model everything ?
rulezadded on the 2005-08-10 10:23:54 by apricot apricot
i disagree with those saying that this demo is 'overloaded' or has 'material for 5 demos'. i think the (amount of) content is really quite perfectly finetuned, and not often have i seen a demo with such attention to direction. 'parts' last exactly as long as they remain interesting, and they contain always exactly as many elements as a watcher can absorbe. imho. the only thing i miss is any sort of coherence between the visuals and the music.

mad props, guys.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-10 11:10:07 by skrebbel skrebbel
that skrebbel last sentence reminded me about another great kick-ass demo

"mad props out to deus ex machina and valium design, but not to ephidrena" :D
added on the 2005-08-10 15:58:07 by uns3en_ uns3en_
fabulous !
rulezadded on the 2005-08-10 16:15:25 by bLa bLa
After watching again on my now fixed monitor, I noticed my previous comment about the cutscene is wrong - it is a transition as you come above water to the barbed wire part. I've shown this to several friends, some familiar with the scene and some not. All have been very impressed and one had me eject both of my dvd drives and kept his eye on my HDD light because he thought it was a video.. :)

Can't imagine how ASD will match or top this and Planet Risk. They both really are stunning in just about every way.. but I look forward to the next big release after a much deserved break!
added on the 2005-08-10 16:33:09 by ngtflyer ngtflyer
simply beautiful. i'm astonished...
rulezadded on the 2005-08-10 22:35:35 by rmeht rmeht
tipfish n chips, the demo (code, gfx, 3d, music) took about 5 months to make. The music started 3 weeks before assembly and was finished one day before assembly.
added on the 2005-08-11 01:06:07 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
Iconoclast – Μια δουλειά συναρπαστική, εντελώς διαφορετική και πιστεύω ότι ο τίτλος του τα λέει όλα. Έκανε τη διαφορά στο assembly και αυτό μας χαρίζει τη δύναμη να συνεχίσουμε να πιστεύουμε στην ελληνική demoscene ,που πάντα μας επιφυλάσσει μία έκπληξη για το τέλος. Διάβασα τα παραπάνω σχόλια ,καλά και κακά όπως και να έχουν είναι απόψεις αυτές και δεν μπορείς να τις κατακρίνεις .Σίγουρα κάποιοι θα μπορούσα να πώ ότι ήταν λίγο υπερβολικοί (διότι δεν είδα ένα σχόλιο μετρίου επιπέδου),το θέμα όμως είναι να μην μένουμε στη λεπτομέρεια ,καλό θα ήταν να κοιτάμε και το βαθύτερο νόημα ενός demo. Δυστυχώς , χωρίς να θέλω να προσβάλλω τα υπόλοιπα συγκροτήματα, δεν υπήρχε ανταγωνισμός μεταξύ των διαγωνιζομένων γι’αυτό και το iconoclast αν και παρουσιάστηκε τελευταίο ,έκανε τη διαφορά. Τα χρώματα , οι εικόνες , το συναίσθημα , η μουσική , όλα έδεσαν τέλεια και έφτιαξαν ένα από τα καλύτερα demo που έχω δεί. Μπράβο και πάλι και ευχόμαστε , το παράδειγμα των ASD να το ακολουθήσουν και άλλοι Έλληνες .
Πολλά φιλιά στον ggn,που με την ωριμότητα που τον χαρακτηρίζει ,μεγαλούργησε με τα σχόλιά του για το εν λόγω demo, μας έκανε υπερήφανους θυμίζοντας μας την ελληνική αλληλεγγύη, και τέλος ρε c ggn…ΔΕΝ ΜΑΣ ΑΠΑΣΧΟΛΕΙ ΤΟ ΠΡΟΣΩΠΙΚΟ ΣΟΥ ΔΡΑΜΑ. (Demos like these make me hate myself for being a part of the demo scene, and discourage me from coding anything on PCs (Ataris only here, PCs are for work and games) by ggn.Πω πωωωωωω δράμαααα……;P
rulezadded on the 2005-08-11 02:15:42 by matilda matilda
Impressive amount of effort and imagination put on this. The soundtrack is absolutely awesome and as imaginative as the visual content. Once again, congrats ASD guys!!! =]
rulezadded on the 2005-08-11 13:07:09 by wonder wonder
Too busy, not one style of design, messy but the music and 3d was very good.
Piggie for this :)
added on the 2005-08-12 00:15:23 by cerror cerror
Awesome trip, thank you for that.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-12 12:04:40 by analogue analogue
WoW !

THIS is a *MUST-HAVE* plz more of THIS
rulezadded on the 2005-08-12 23:59:42 by Rebell Rebell
Wow. This made me drop my jaw! Nice effects and you guys do the best transitions in the scene.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-13 02:32:37 by raer raer
really good work!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-13 10:57:33 by chock chock
Piece of art!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-13 19:18:23 by _10b0 _10b0
btw, is there a Dream Theater tribute i spotted in the music at 3:04?
added on the 2005-08-13 19:35:59 by Gargaj Gargaj
hmm... after multiple watchings, i can confirm that its more impressive than planet risk but not as good a demo. Needs more of a theme, or at least more of a theme that flows. Having said that, more destroying of icons and rebuilding them as something might have done it, who knows?
added on the 2005-08-14 03:28:41 by psonice psonice
Massive demo.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-14 10:12:01 by dairos dairos
Too many things to watch at the same time...
Also +++ for the transitions
rulezadded on the 2005-08-14 22:29:47 by shine shine
Yay! Very great. Not as great as their previous efforts imho, but still great.
A superb Soundtrack and I really dig t he Polaroid Part.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-15 06:37:50 by elend elend
o_Õ where did my thumb go ?
rulezadded on the 2005-08-15 12:43:12 by p01 p01
/me just watched it again and ... OMFG it's MASSIVE!!
added on the 2005-08-15 13:42:32 by p01 p01
O_O
rulezcdcadded on the 2005-08-17 18:51:49 by bdk bdk
kewl. You did it. Again.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-17 21:45:30 by kelsey kelsey
Electronic Arts CEO, watch this.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-18 05:46:05 by moredhel moredhel
My godness !
FX massive !
... and a great experience also.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-19 08:05:17 by willbe willbe
i don't think that words can express that prod... O_O
rulezadded on the 2005-08-19 11:25:36 by LiraNuna LiraNuna
nothing that hasn't been already said here, but:
this is simply awesome. ok, the scenes do not have a "red line" but they are so well connected that the whole thing is just flowing from one kickass scene to the next even-more-kickass scene.
and best part of all was the history-reference thing, this really did cheer me up a lot

so thanks for one of the best pc demos ever imho
rulezadded on the 2005-08-19 11:47:41 by Hopper/SquoQuo Hopper/SquoQuo
Has some nice hints to "ancient" demo productions.

The very genremixed music (although sounding nice!) didn't fit to a lot of the effects and so I barely felt a msx-fx sync during the show.
The overall look was way to overblown for my
personal taste and I don't like 4:3 fullscreen.
I'd rather stick to letterbox format or 16:9.

At all props for NOT using BUM,BUM,BUM 4x4 BEATS
added on the 2005-08-19 11:55:31 by d0DgE d0DgE
I totally second what Dodge wrote about the music! Thank god it's not a bumm-bumm techno alike shit like in case speaking about many other recent pc demos!

Navis:Please reply my email!!

added on the 2005-08-20 13:27:50 by ghandy ghandy
better than any other ASD production at the moment... but i still disgusting the music :( .. anyway.. congrats!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-21 20:54:10 by humphr3y humphr3y
rulez
rulezadded on the 2005-08-23 22:31:27 by BodyKnight BodyKnight
Really fresh!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-24 14:04:18 by nitro2 nitro2
good work.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-25 15:47:25 by cp_ cp_
i must say, i am very disappointed. i was hoping that this kind of music in pc-demos was a thing of the past, but no. seriously, don't you guys ever feel ashamed? using guitars is by no means any taboo, but making rock-music this boring is. just listen to the drums!
seriously, there has been loads of progress in the world of "acoustic music". you guys should check it out. and please, make the soundtrack electronic next time, don't try to be something you're not. (in this case, an "acoustic musician")

and besides the music, the demo itself is waaaay to different. 30000 themes in stead of making a few good points. to be honest, i couldnt find one single message. the only good thing about this demo is that the effects are quite beautifully performed, but that won't help the lacking design.
sucksadded on the 2005-08-26 23:44:11 by gemini gemini
please, dont make an electronic soundtrack next time.
even better, let leviathan compose more of it and eventually escalate into thrash metal :D
added on the 2005-08-27 00:23:12 by Gargaj Gargaj
some thrash would be pretty refreshing indeed
added on the 2005-08-27 02:02:27 by teel teel
Great visuals and excellent prog-metal soundtrack. Shame to the tunz-fanatics :)
rulezadded on the 2005-08-27 02:09:06 by Blade^Absurd Blade^Absurd
a high quality originally written (as in not a cover) metaltune in a demo would kick ass. so i totally agree on that part, gargaj.

what i meant is that leviathan should spare us of these lame halflings.
added on the 2005-08-27 13:15:54 by gemini gemini
Beatiful design and music. Too much similarities with planet risk though. However, a hypermegarulez demo.
rulezadded on the 2005-08-27 16:06:48 by hhhhhhh hhhhhhh
boring
sucksadded on the 2005-08-27 17:00:05 by yonx yonx
_gemini, if we feel like making an electronic type of demo soundtrack we'll go for an electronic type of demo soundtrack. One of the things that keeps us into demomaking is the fact that we have fun making productions that we like. These are the concepts that we like, the music that we like, the graphics that we like. Sometimes what we like is liked by other people as well, sometimes not.

I really fail to see how we cannot be "acoustic musicians" (or the whole point in that statement), but I'd really like to hear samples of the "acoustic music" that has progressed. Maybe we can find inspiration in those too.
added on the 2005-08-27 17:19:05 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
nice effects
rulezadded on the 2005-08-28 02:58:54 by saida saida
I had to wait more than month to verify all my for and against. And recently I realized that this prod definitely deserves a thumb up, and is also the best production of this year. I hope that You'll not sit down and drink from the cup of glory, but will still search for new challenges and try to suprise us once again!
Cheers!
rulezadded on the 2005-08-31 12:04:10 by bonzaj bonzaj
Awesome
rulezadded on the 2005-09-02 22:52:28 by diver diver
Exellent demo !! Music is very nice ! ASD is Fabulous !
rulezadded on the 2005-09-03 22:52:58 by Grz- Grz-
... omfg.
rulezadded on the 2005-09-07 21:35:36 by TrX TrX
horrible colors and annoying music.
I just registered to say that this is the most impressive demo I have seen since the introduction of 3D cards. Absolutely wonderful! It's like a constant light orgasm (don't know how else to describe it). The music doesn't always fit, though... a bit too heavy on the guitars here and there.
rulezadded on the 2005-09-11 20:36:56 by eobet eobet
great demo and even greater music...
rulezadded on the 2005-09-16 09:30:20 by vAlsary vAlsary
good engines, but has in my opinion no style and becomes boring.
added on the 2005-09-20 22:52:37 by RaS RaS
HOLY SHIT! the music _absolutely rocks_ ! so much different styles combined into a lovely but rockin' tune! big respect to the two composers. i'm not worthy. ;) btw: people, stop that stupid discussion about style, it's all about music which is borderless.
rulezadded on the 2005-09-26 15:41:14 by freQvibez freQvibez
I like it for the few seconds I was able to watch it.

It runs very choppy on my Athlon 64 X2 3800+ with Geforce 7800GT with 1GB of RAM.

Same with planet risk. Using latest drivers from nVidia.

Anyone else have this issue? The whole thing stutters very strangely, planet risk does the same thing. I am led to believe there is a problem with the engine running on this card or this driver ver.
rulezadded on the 2005-10-04 04:18:12 by prismra prismra
it is totally smooth with the latest stable nvidia drivers (78.01 or something) on a 6800 with an AMD 64 here (2.8ghz and 2Gb of ram) (XP)

So.. maybe your antivirus is scanning in the background? ;)
added on the 2005-10-04 09:52:27 by _-_-__ _-_-__
Naturaly, by the time Planet Risk and Iconoclast were built, the nVidia 7xxx series was not available for testing.

However I have recently tested Iconoclast on a 7800GTX based system (64bit windows mind you), and it ran smootly (and probably with the highest framerate I've ever seen on the systems I've tested it on.

So, I trust the source of the choppiness lies elsewhere.
added on the 2005-10-04 14:54:41 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
prismra: Throw your Creative sound card out of the system. :)
added on the 2005-10-04 15:10:59 by kb_ kb_
Holy crap! How did you know I had a creative card? Lemmie try it with my M-audio card and see what the deal is here...
added on the 2005-10-04 18:03:28 by prismra prismra
Well I disabled the creative x-fi card and used my M-audio delta card for default wave playback and it did the same thing.

I'm using nVidia SATA RAID, could that do anything like this?
added on the 2005-10-04 18:11:35 by prismra prismra
3-fingered salute solved the problem I was having.

Amazing demo, guys, I wish I had three thumbs!

Thanks for doing something different with the design, music etc.

Speaking of music: If I may ask, what software, plugins, DAW, synths etc did you use to make the tunes?

added on the 2005-10-05 07:20:59 by prismra prismra
Software wise, we use Reason 3.5 and cool-edit for recording and mixing.

Hardware wise, I use a very old Ensoniq SQ1+ as a mother keyboard for expresiveness and some solos, and Leviathan uses Ibanez guitars (a six string one and a K7 seven string one), a Marshall amp and a Boss GT6 multi-effect pedal.

Finally, guitars are recorded on a Shure C603 Microphone.

So prismra, was it the SATA RAID that caused the problem?
added on the 2005-10-05 14:54:32 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
You know it's the oddest thing. I have no idea what was causing that issue. This demo, Planet_risk and perfect love showed the 'jerky' behaviour and others did not. I even tested doom 3 (just to test some variables) and I was hitting 54 frames at 1680-1050 high detail. I was running a lot of different demos and playing with WinUAE (which I manage to make crash, a lot) and I am thinking it was some kind of driver corruption/windows issue. For some reason, upon a clean reboot, they all worked fine. Sorry for wasting your guy's time.. : )
added on the 2005-10-05 17:58:45 by prismra prismra
I forgot to vote... oops.
This ist the Best Demo ever... impressive. Simply impressive.

And the Music... made it on my favorite playlists again (just right behind dreamchild). I wonder if there is more aMusic-music out there...
rulezadded on the 2005-10-09 10:34:30 by imYemeth imYemeth
amphetamine tears is one of my all-time favorite songs (not only among scene prods). that's so brilliant that there isn't a day i live without thinking of those melodies. amusic and leviathan, thank you for all your work since dreamchild.

and the demo. navis, you are a maniac hardcoding all these stuff. i still get shivered on some scenes even though i watched it a hundred times before (not an exaggeration).

there are some glitches like intersecting faces and polys lost to cull face. but that's mentionable only because this is an incredible demo.

oh, and i know i am a total nerd. but i just love asd.
rulezadded on the 2005-10-12 10:04:47 by junjanes junjanes
I'm really impressed with this prod. Not only for the music, meshes, effects and transitions but (after reading some comments from Navis itself) for the coding work itself.
After all the code is still important in demoscene... is it?
rulezadded on the 2005-10-19 09:53:41 by drpain drpain
when i watched it, i thought i get a stroke. this is a hell of a trip, and its incredibly beautiful. and it just doesnt end! it goes on an on!

this is very good work. the music is excellent, the visuals are striking (not everything, but i have my favorites.. i think, i like the roses part most).

this demo sparkles with love.
rulezadded on the 2005-10-25 23:36:29 by paniq paniq
Mezzo
added on the 2005-10-31 11:56:35 by Jatzekk Jatzekk
rulezadded on the 2005-11-02 18:56:16 by Quarryman Quarryman
I second Dipswitch.
added on the 2005-11-13 19:40:01 by StingRay StingRay
rulezadded on the 2005-12-01 00:46:17 by koen koen
3d deluxe!
rulezadded on the 2005-12-04 12:15:17 by EarlGrey EarlGrey
When the roses come up, followed by the moon out of the water and the guitar and the mandolin plays it is just magical - and watching it live on bigscreen with the entire scene (Yes, @ Assembly 2005) was just awesome. You sit there and think "AH, so I'm watching the winnerdemo right now".

Even if i don't like metal (or rock) in demos, this demo was nice and it sure was the worthy winner.
rulezadded on the 2005-12-07 20:01:07 by Psychad Psychad
oh look - ASD just lifted the demo bar to unthinkable heights. again.
rulezadded on the 2005-12-27 10:28:10 by Gaia Gaia
what can I say? over the top! :)
rulezadded on the 2006-01-04 09:55:26 by Skate Skate
Barroque, imaginative, crushing soundtrack...
Seems a bit less improvised than PlanetRisk.
Now some parts and transitions take sense ...
like...some kind of Oniric-Dalinian-paranoia.

Navis
Reporting serious low framerate on nvidia gForce FX 6200 vram 512DDR + Celeron 1.3Ghz 512DDR RAM

Other GLSL or DX9.0c shader stuff runs pretty smooth, but the cgCode executes at 2 or 3 Fps wtf?¿
rulezadded on the 2006-01-19 17:14:11 by JaK JaK
jak: a celeron 1.3 with a gf 6200 will have trouble with almost any demo/game in the past year or two. i suggest upgrading both cpu and video card.
added on the 2006-01-19 17:26:10 by phoenix phoenix
I'll look into that, thanks. (Even though I don't have a 6200 and probably cannot find one.). On the 6600 (GT and non) it seems to be rather ok (ie 35fps+). So, hm...
added on the 2006-01-19 19:38:35 by Navis Navis
phoenix sorry to disagree with that, running COD2 fucking or Humus examples or Fair play 2d Queen, fancy smooth on that config.

NavisI offer my ass to fix that or whatever :P have my email? to swap a *debug* version or whatever valid info you need, and I'll mail the logs back to you. Hope that cgCode not to be the cause.
added on the 2006-01-20 14:59:48 by JaK JaK
Thanks. My email is pataridis at yahoo.com, can you send me there yours (without spamming this place..). thanks.
added on the 2006-01-21 02:32:34 by Navis Navis
once a dedicated demogroup seeks plenteous effects accumulating in one single demo means they've figured out nothings.
uguys do a huge non valuable masses this time, imo!
Have uguys heared about the "less is more" idea,by van der Rohe,which tells the process of abstraction is one of the ways to approach and create the demo essentials. concept in simplicity not only make sense in architecture-design,,but also tells to a visualizing demo nowadays.
sucksadded on the 2006-02-05 09:45:31 by sunnm sunnm
This is an awesome demo..
rulezadded on the 2006-02-07 17:19:14 by Caradhraz Caradhraz
so gooood
rulezadded on the 2006-02-20 06:30:06 by blackpawn blackpawn
freaking good. disverves its place on the pouet top10 list
rulezadded on the 2006-02-20 12:14:23 by Duckers Duckers
well, actually tried this with anaglyphic 3d glasses last night and the part almost in the beginning with twirly lines and spinning blades actually looks much better. :) fantaplasmastic!
added on the 2006-03-05 10:45:13 by melw melw
The monstrous amount of work gone into this is clearly evident so it deserves a thumb up based on this fact alone..
however, like planet risk, the music just doesnt seem to work.. (as brilliant as it is..)..
I guess incredibly busy visuals and incredibly busy sound makes the whole prod seem bloated.. imo.. it's just too much :)
having said that there's no way in hell I'm not thumbing this up lol.. so go figure ;-)
rulezadded on the 2006-03-19 15:21:26 by vermillion vermillion
grear coding. runs fine with 850mhz athlon and 9600
cons:
thanou
kenteris
added on the 2006-03-20 08:28:31 by moredhel moredhel
epic magical fantasia journey. very enjoyable to watch. thanks guys :)
added on the 2006-04-08 20:01:38 by button button
oops..i ment to give a THUMB UP not a PIG. sorry.
rulezadded on the 2006-04-08 20:03:25 by button button
:) like some kind of (A)(L)SD trip :) very nice
rulezadded on the 2006-04-08 22:27:13 by seppjo seppjo
To anyone having low framerates on otherwise good systems, it seems that cg.dll doesn't really like multiple monitors set in Dualview. It slows everything down even in windowed mode.

Strangely enough, span mode doesn't pose any problem (!). So If you are encountering slow performance (that also goes for all of our demos since Dreamchild), try disabling the secondary monitor (I've found UltraMon to be the fastest tool for this job).
added on the 2006-04-12 01:05:54 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
stunned! watched while the scene.org awards was at the breakpoint party. just incredible stuff.
rulezadded on the 2006-04-16 13:48:11 by rydi rydi
Avarage to good music. The effect aren't my style.
added on the 2006-04-29 17:36:27 by Dranix Dranix
Instant classic!
rulezadded on the 2006-05-02 23:06:31 by Cosmocat Cosmocat
Maybe many transitions on the music but anyway superb. Great visuals also.
rulezadded on the 2006-06-07 02:14:44 by Bloodrinker Bloodrinker
i'm a bit sad this doesnt run with wine. ;)
added on the 2006-06-15 14:41:51 by paniq paniq
OH....MY....WORLD.....
Here goes the definition of amazing.....
rulezadded on the 2006-06-16 03:25:28 by Aasemoon Aasemoon
Excellent !!! i think ANDROMEDA software developpement DESERVE this part of his name ^^

the roses part really make me amazed ... and the whole demo is better than Planet Risk, who was really "too much"

"too much FX kill the FX"
rulezadded on the 2006-06-16 05:45:08 by RaHoW RaHoW
a typical ASD demo (blur, overlays, postprosessing, cameras etc).. the best in content and ideas though..

the music is cool (i don't like prog metal but this track does the job.. and i guess it was a pain in the ass to compose :)

AND..
it has cubes.. :)
so thumbs up.
rulezadded on the 2006-06-18 13:07:53 by medron medron
dont know where Ive been keeping my thumb all this time.
rulezadded on the 2006-07-10 15:16:16 by wroceng wroceng
The music and visuals makes it feel like some kind of 1990s CG demoreel. Piggie it is.
added on the 2006-07-19 22:52:40 by grip grip
what an eye-candy...
rulezadded on the 2006-07-19 23:09:40 by decipher decipher
rulezadded on the 2006-07-29 01:48:45 by 4kum4 4kum4
very good..
rulezadded on the 2006-08-05 11:05:49 by chenmy! chenmy!
yes!
rulezadded on the 2006-08-05 12:21:53 by hunta hunta
rulezadded on the 2006-08-17 10:48:34 by hardi hardi
Wow... Amazing!
rulezadded on the 2006-08-22 08:21:11 by Louigi Verona Louigi Verona
Visuals and design spectacular. But the music destroys the whole demo, makes it booring.
So only a Piggy for me....Synth guitars should be banned.
added on the 2006-09-01 18:35:37 by tFt tFt
That's no "synth guitar".
added on the 2006-09-01 21:25:19 by tomaes tomaes
...:::platt:::...
rulezadded on the 2006-09-05 00:01:49 by eye eye
One question guys? Why Iconoclast on my Dell Inspirion 6400 with GeForce 7300 runs 10 frames per second?
rulezadded on the 2006-09-06 05:24:05 by Wodzu Wodzu
Wodzu, I've seen a lot of demos run very slow on laptops with the 7300 chipset. I don't know if it is a driver thing or if the 7300 is just crappy.
added on the 2006-09-07 01:32:26 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
The only thing I remember clearly from the Assembly 2005 competitions is that I liked this production a LOT.
rulezadded on the 2006-09-07 12:47:11 by Japsu Japsu
superb tech level!
rulezadded on the 2006-09-18 15:09:57 by _xiod_ _xiod_
WTF was THAT?!?

I am of course very much taken aback with the technicality of it all, but to me it's just too much. This basically comes down to my taste for the art of suggestion. ANDROMEDA (?!?) Software Development seem to have a sense for the opposite, namely just making expicit every idea that springs to mind. Consequently, there is no room for the inexplicit x-factor which imho makes a good demo. There is a -feel- to good demos, whereas this one just leaves me feeling numb and estranged after two minutes. The music just adds to this. No one will ever question that Stevie Vai is a technically brilliant musician - but that still doesn't make his music good.


added on the 2006-10-06 13:30:50 by Archmage Archmage
@Archmage
I'll code a demo that will just display a black screen. This will give the watcher plenty of opportunities for imagination. I guess you'll love it ;)
added on the 2006-10-06 13:42:24 by Adok Adok
Adok: At least that would be much more iconoclastic in the real sense of the word.
added on the 2006-10-06 13:50:38 by Archmage Archmage
Archmage: ironic commentary. (is it in the name of the group who made it? :) All in all to much going on at the same time but still a good demo imho. Deserves respect..
added on the 2006-10-07 08:17:54 by magic magic
top ten for me. Firstly there is powerful imagery (the swimming whale skeleton in a cube), secondly it branches from standard demo music with style. Thirdly it packs so many effects in (deforming bouncing solids) and throws them away which says to me : we're good but we don't sweat it. Lastly as a coder I can watch it again and again looking for all the little tricks and wondering...

rulezadded on the 2006-10-07 09:45:36 by tajscener tajscener
Greatest demo from ASD!
rulezadded on the 2006-10-19 20:16:50 by BiTL BiTL
One of the greatest demos ever!!
My personal CDC candidate number one! Love the surrealistic ambience and extremely fluent scene transitions. This is real digital ART.
Just awesome.
rulezcdcadded on the 2006-11-07 23:34:26 by masterm masterm
magical. Showed the wife, she felt it was the first demo shed seen (and she has seen a lot) that went beyond into art. Well its her taste.
rulezadded on the 2006-11-07 23:38:17 by auld auld
kicks some serious ass. wow.
rulezadded on the 2006-11-23 01:24:49 by pezia pezia
You got my CDC guys! :)
added on the 2006-11-26 12:06:45 by masterm masterm
Wow. After tediously downloading many, many demos, some of which are actually very well done, this one surpasses them all. Amazing piece of art! I don't know what these people who don't like it are seeing, but there must be something wrong with their eyes.

The only thing that could possibly improve it is to remove (or at least lessen) the foggy haziness. I hate that effect. It's even worse in Planet Risk. It's like putting a piece of wax paper in front of the Mona Lisa. What's the point? Let me see your amazing work unfettered by unnecessary effects.
rulezadded on the 2006-12-02 01:44:56 by sonyice sonyice
It's a best demo i've seen ever!
ASD is da best.
rulezadded on the 2006-12-07 11:18:58 by san_im san_im
:O
rulezadded on the 2006-12-27 02:28:27 by dila dila
Still wonderful.
added on the 2007-01-02 15:04:26 by imYemeth imYemeth
Incredible! Cool to hear some greatly composed progressive music in a demo...
rulezadded on the 2007-02-05 16:55:14 by darXtar darXtar
The continuity of this demo is stunning. One amazing scene replaces the next in a continuous stream of beauty... accompanied in part by a runaway guns'n'roses guitarist. The unique mix of musical genres makes a great addition to the atmosphere though!
rulezadded on the 2007-02-23 01:08:46 by hornet hornet
Your demonstrations are really an improvement for the demoscene, they are perfect in all categories, I have never seen such a beauty before. Keep up your excellent work and never move to these soulless 64k-productions.
rulezadded on the 2007-02-25 15:43:05 by Cj Cj
Another missing thumb.. great stuff all around.
rulezadded on the 2007-02-25 15:47:43 by Serpent Serpent
teh greatness
rulezadded on the 2007-02-25 16:21:04 by gr gr
rulezadded on the 2007-02-28 16:04:20 by Nutman^IRIS Nutman^IRIS
It runs like shit on my A500! Any chance of a fix? But seriously, well done guys for still looking in on this and helping people out so long after the demo was released. Some would have left it forgotten (and possibly half finished too ;)
added on the 2007-02-28 17:31:43 by psonice psonice
great stuff
rulezadded on the 2007-03-02 16:05:07 by prophet prophet
Grrr :)
This is it !
rulezadded on the 2007-03-20 01:33:50 by Anelka Anelka
best demo ever (OO) amazing amount of different effects (OO) so nice colors and so cool muzic (OO) many parts, and none of them is boring, all is good, nothing to throw... i ask myself if you are... god ? (^^)
rulezadded on the 2007-03-22 13:52:06 by sokoban sokoban
respect
rulezadded on the 2007-03-25 23:18:53 by MGzzY MGzzY
Wow! Great effects and the flow of the demo is very good. And the music is just stunning!
rulezadded on the 2007-04-16 17:32:00 by Mystra Mystra
just the thumb
rulezadded on the 2007-04-19 00:00:05 by chaos chaos
Great demo. I'll admit I didn't like the music initially but after giving it some time to grow on me (mainly by playing it in fretsonfire, lol) I've started to love the tune too.
rulezadded on the 2007-04-26 12:05:10 by Sverker Sverker
:D
rulezadded on the 2007-04-26 12:39:17 by src src
Massive amount of content and great transitions.
rulezadded on the 2007-04-26 12:54:10 by blueflame blueflame
rulezadded on the 2007-04-26 19:07:43 by puNky puNky
Great Demo! I really love the smooth transitions between the very nice scenes and after watching it several times I like the music too. The only thing I still miss is some kind of “deepness” it seems to be a fantastic “storm of pictures” but not more. Nevertheless on of my absolute favourites of the last years (I even have a copy on my mobile phone :) ). Thumb up!
rulezadded on the 2007-04-27 09:54:19 by Admiral^Elyssis Admiral^Elyssis
rulezadded on the 2007-04-27 10:14:44 by prm prm
rulezadded on the 2007-05-13 14:38:40 by bfx bfx
One of the best demos ever!
all in all okay, just the music sucks sometimes
added on the 2007-06-04 12:21:02 by RA RA
Beautiful. Gives me headache if I watch it 2 times in a row, but great.
rulezadded on the 2007-06-19 17:27:47 by Drunk_Poet Drunk_Poet
You guys really need to share your change scenes diploma with some other groups ;)
Iconoclast rocks even 2 years after its release. Period.
rulezadded on the 2007-07-15 17:50:55 by Nty Nty
Everything about this demo is MASSIVE! :-)
The music, the effects, the transitions, ...
rulezadded on the 2007-07-16 19:46:58 by Nezbie Nezbie
Outstanding - I like the flow in this one even more than in Lifeforce.
rulezadded on the 2007-08-08 21:53:50 by Ganymed Ganymed
The beginning of this demo beats about anything else i've seen. From the into and until the circle saws slices *teh object* into pieces.. Simply rules!!
rulezadded on the 2007-08-12 14:24:33 by HCL/BoozeDesign HCL/BoozeDesign
wow. still a really great demo.
rulezadded on the 2007-08-31 20:22:42 by glow glow
Thats the one I should vote,
The music is amazing and with sync with demo.
I love the "franshie" scene with acordeon and next with "manga girl like in the window and the pigeons" :)
rulezadded on the 2007-10-04 11:46:58 by KammutierSpule KammutierSpule
I enjoyed watching this demo a lot. I liked the continous "flow" of the demo and the music: totally different from what we are used to listen in demos.
rulezadded on the 2007-10-16 18:58:45 by mogu mogu
Brilliant
rulezadded on the 2007-11-20 21:25:54 by Alain Alain
Almost forgot: I really love the approach of the SR2-glenz, and the bee form Stars (with 23608 faces :D)
added on the 2007-11-20 21:38:35 by Alain Alain
Another forgotten thumb.
rulezadded on the 2007-12-16 22:19:38 by Maissi Maissi
Wow... VERY awesome and great music, too!
rulezadded on the 2007-12-22 19:16:29 by Agilo Agilo
Yup
rulezadded on the 2007-12-27 02:16:38 by ferris ferris
great music, nice demo
rulezadded on the 2008-01-02 03:15:55 by dude dude
ASD rocks! Simply
rulezadded on the 2008-01-07 08:19:52 by maverique maverique
Excellent demo !
rulezadded on the 2008-01-21 22:39:00 by frost242 frost242
Amazing !
rulezadded on the 2008-02-24 11:40:00 by XT95 XT95
Did not thumbed up it yet? Damnit =)
rulezadded on the 2008-03-02 19:47:10 by #535 #535
Flows like glass.
rulezadded on the 2008-04-02 17:08:39 by spindle spindle
Yepp!
rulezadded on the 2008-04-05 21:16:48 by Stebo Stebo
great demo, great direction. kudes to amusic&leviathan for the great music! oh, and that Second Reality flashback rocks :P
rulezadded on the 2008-04-11 11:22:59 by Saga Musix Saga Musix
still fucking genius.
added on the 2008-04-30 00:23:24 by v3nom v3nom
Cool effects and nice music
rulezadded on the 2008-05-02 11:28:46 by Queen bittin Queen bittin
this demo loses it. it has lots of something but not a single bit of anything.

poor man's lifeforce.
added on the 2008-06-10 20:13:09 by ilmarque ilmarque
Yes, this demo is really cheap.
added on the 2008-06-10 20:17:31 by bdk bdk
rulezadded on the 2008-06-10 20:36:31 by micksam7 micksam7
(of course I was ironizing, notice the very first comment...)
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added on the 2008-06-11 02:33:10 by bdk bdk
Great visuals, great music, but I completely don't see the connection between those elements.
rulezadded on the 2008-07-29 19:11:01 by r13 r13
forgotten thumb on an instant classic great demo :D
rulezadded on the 2008-07-29 19:13:05 by [EviL] [EviL]
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forgotten thumb on an instant classic great demo :D

rulezadded on the 2008-08-24 21:07:30 by Confused Confused
i'm not gonna quote the quote above ... i'm afraid of recursions.

btw: birds are overrated
rulezadded on the 2008-09-03 17:44:01 by prinzpron prinzpron
Excellent music.
rulezadded on the 2008-09-07 18:09:34 by Enlight Enlight
I haven't voted for this?! Huh?!

Absolute masterpiece! Like a beautiful dream sequence! I've never seen anything like it from any other group.
rulezadded on the 2008-09-07 19:50:38 by Wade Wade
Good work!
rulezadded on the 2008-09-18 23:47:20 by 9M4N 9M4N
what to say? its obvious : it rocks !
(just asking what took me that lang to thumb it)
rulezadded on the 2008-09-18 23:52:53 by hArDy. hArDy.
some great parts
rulezadded on the 2008-10-18 19:06:09 by cyberpingui cyberpingui
Excellent demo with an awesome music that fit perfectly the ambiance... And the end is just amazing!
rulezadded on the 2008-12-09 12:34:28 by Ok3anos Ok3anos
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forgotten thumb on an instant classic great demo :D
rulezadded on the 2008-12-18 18:47:21 by pera pera
well crafted. doesn´t catch on me, though
rulezadded on the 2009-01-10 18:38:32 by T$ T$
you guys are insane
rulezadded on the 2009-01-18 16:37:40 by Sir Sir
This demo never really grabbed me at the time and, after watching it again, it still doesn't. Obviously the music, the effects, the design, the transitions and the general flow are all excellent but something's missing for me. There were parts of this demo that just jarred too much - like the oldschool demo references - and the music went over the top a few too many times. Still a great experience though, and a real sign of the great things that were to come...
added on the 2009-03-09 14:52:36 by evilpaul evilpaul
still one of my favourites
rulezadded on the 2009-03-27 17:16:58 by bumble-bee bumble-bee
Superb graphics and awesome music, but most of all - beautiful design.
rulezadded on the 2009-04-03 18:04:00 by aizen aizen
The fact I have not already thumbed this up is proof there is no god.
rulezadded on the 2009-04-08 22:35:29 by Baz Baz
whoops, a forgotten thumb up. Great work!
rulezadded on the 2009-04-08 22:42:07 by Dano Dano
ASD
rulezadded on the 2009-04-13 12:26:51 by kaoD kaoD
nice one..
rulezadded on the 2009-04-16 23:27:48 by xeoner xeoner
great
rulezadded on the 2009-04-29 16:48:54 by unc unc
rulezadded on the 2009-06-30 18:26:50 by wullon wullon
Very pleasant to watch!
rulezadded on the 2009-10-31 20:07:58 by baah baah
amazing work
rulezadded on the 2009-11-22 20:36:56 by Insectecutor Insectecutor
incredible
rulezadded on the 2010-01-10 16:26:20 by Pandafox Pandafox
good shit.
rulezadded on the 2010-01-11 22:16:36 by lamb lamb
my fav <3
rulezcdcadded on the 2010-02-14 04:54:40 by bull bull
Love this one... just wish it was available in something more than 800x600. If ever a higher res version could surface, I'd be first in line.
rulezadded on the 2010-03-06 07:59:14 by richesian richesian
First demo from ASD I saw. Time to thumb it up !
rulezadded on the 2010-03-23 21:48:12 by Korguiq Korguiq
So perfect
rulezadded on the 2010-07-31 09:47:20 by Eldrik Eldrik
mandatory
rulezadded on the 2010-08-19 02:24:35 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
excellent!
rulezadded on the 2010-10-03 02:17:25 by nekomono nekomono
Just one word: extraordinary.
rulezadded on the 2011-01-09 13:27:21 by harsh_noise harsh_noise
Excellent stuff, the only minor problem I had with it is the music - it's brilliant, but wouldn't stay in one long genre long enough to hook you!
rulezadded on the 2011-01-30 11:13:26 by pacifist pacifist
Professional PLUS!
rulezadded on the 2011-03-07 19:16:48 by SplAtEE SplAtEE
there should be much more CDC's for this masterpiece, cmon !
added on the 2011-04-27 21:27:21 by bull bull
only one word: ASD
rulezadded on the 2011-07-28 21:31:12 by closed closed
Can't say I like when so much content is packed together, but when it's treated with such utmost care I can't help it. :D
rulezadded on the 2011-09-05 20:41:00 by moozooh moozooh
Still amazing thing
rulezadded on the 2011-10-17 22:02:01 by jack-3d jack-3d
runs great on really old machines :)
rulezadded on the 2011-10-30 05:03:57 by Magic94 Magic94
excellent transitions......
rulezadded on the 2012-01-11 21:09:14 by Frequent Frequent
One of my less favorite ASD demos. One third top-class content, one third decent content, one third pretty fucking awful content, and those go for both the music and the visuals. Probably the first time in ASD demo where there are actual cohesion between the visuals and the music. It really feels like the demo is directed to the music. Again not exactly matured yet (had to wait for couple more years) but still a fine demo.
rulezadded on the 2012-05-02 03:20:14 by noby noby
Mostly what noby said. I think it works very well as a music video. The disintegration and slicing effects are cool, as are the glowing blue wraps. I also like the clever re-use of meshes and effects, it doesn't get samey. I didn't realise at first that the creatures pulling the stone face are meant to be stylised apes... but now I think they work well! Funny Second Reality reference!
rulezadded on the 2012-05-30 23:22:54 by fizzer fizzer
cool music, great effects, but it felt kind it was jumping from effect to another maybe bit too fast for my taste, overall great prod!
rulezadded on the 2012-12-15 21:31:28 by CeRi CeRi
This is a master-piece. A classic.
rulezadded on the 2013-03-15 23:04:01 by cmr cmr
23806 faces!
rulezadded on the 2013-07-25 06:28:13 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
How it's possible, I never thumbed up this all-time classic!
rulezadded on the 2013-07-25 13:16:59 by rez rez
Don't ask me. ;o)
rulezadded on the 2013-07-25 13:27:12 by gaspode gaspode
soundtrack ruins it for me :(
added on the 2013-07-27 07:32:38 by provod provod
My oh my - the music is so much hurting my ears. But I must say, that the visual "chaos" going on, suits the music, or is it the other way around? :)
rulezadded on the 2013-07-29 20:20:15 by maytz maytz
Andromeda Software Development! ;O)
rulezadded on the 2013-09-13 19:51:46 by CHEF-KOCH CHEF-KOCH
still a beauty in 2013 <3
added on the 2013-10-11 22:23:52 by bull bull
So many memories attached to this prod.

For me, back then, it defined what ASD is - as this was the first prod I ever saw from ASD, I learned that ASD are the guys with the transitions that, if you don't pay attention for a second, you're forgetting how you got from point A to point C via point B. That those are the guys with that damn awesome awesome guitar riff, that makes me want to play the demo over, and over and over again.
So, if I ever get the question what demo I'd take on a lonely island with me - it'd be this one. As I've maybe seen it 30 times now, and still find things I've not noticed before. It's that damn good sync, that isn't in your face - but so subtle it make one smile if one notices it - to the sheer amount of details for that overall content rich prod that makes me sit here - like a small child wondering how all of this has been assembled.

Was the music first - or the visuals, and does it even matter?
rulezadded on the 2013-11-03 03:08:26 by mog mog
and the introduction is just wow <3
added on the 2013-12-05 23:27:37 by bull bull
Unbelievable amount of content! Too bad those kind of demos are rarely made today, although I can understand why. And I love, love the transitions and all the little details! The music is not my cup of tea, though.
rulezadded on the 2014-08-29 09:21:20 by Kylearan Kylearan
Certainly deserves a thumb.
rulezadded on the 2014-09-22 10:21:09 by ccr ccr
Fro a long time one of my fave windows demos.
rulezadded on the 2014-11-04 11:17:08 by wood wood
Too bad that I noticed about this only about 10 years later. Absolutely like this demo! I cannot tell if I prefer the lush, amazing and colorful graphics or the hard kicking mixture of acoustic, chilling and slashing music on it! Eighter way, was pleasant to see for the entire moment!
rulezadded on the 2014-11-05 04:27:50 by SoDa7 SoDa7

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