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what the frac by Alter!Krass!
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screenshot added by gopher on 2012-09-17 23:13:14
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release date : september 2012
release party : Geeks can dance 2012
compo : pc intro
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  • rulez 78
  • is ok 3
  • sucks 1
popularity : 1%
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alltime top: #1079
added on the 2012-09-17 23:13:14 by gopher gopher

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nice.
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:19:32 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
Wow! X-Ray machine on mushrooms. Really nice :)
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:20:51 by raizor raizor
nice, but horribly slow here.
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:23:47 by las las
3d julia?
imma watch the prod now, more stupid Qs later then1
Many scenes, complex music, sync and long running time in a windows 1k? Amazing! Also what las said :)
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:37:41 by xTr1m xTr1m
Pretty!
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:38:49 by frag frag
WTF
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:39:36 by yumeji yumeji
Alt0r, krazZ!
most best idea in 2012! ♥
too short! (thats what she said!)
but the midi sounds to my likeness.
the effect itself is pure rockzor! i tried to do that aswell, but i couldnt get my brain to work with it :p
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:42:08 by ɧคɾɗվ. ɧคɾɗվ.
Lovely visuals.
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:43:04 by Preacher Preacher
i would have included/wasted it in a 4k, so its good as it went, you made it first, made a 1k out of it, and even included good sound! i like that snare.midi a lot!
alta, craz!
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:46:46 by Saga Musix Saga Musix
cool visuals and midi music
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:49:55 by wullon wullon
I had to double-check it wasn't 4k after watching :D Great shit.
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:51:26 by psonice psonice
great 1k skillz.
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:52:21 by keito keito
allor kraaß!
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:54:10 by GΞN7LΞM4N GΞN7LΞM4N
blackScreen with music-Bug again btw, even with the noCursorVersion!
2-screen-ATi5870-setup here...multiScreens cause this problem but i dont care! thanks for providing some tube!
you fuxxored your own prod btw, by putting a comment, which is a pig ofcoz, this counts into the overall score, so once 99 ppl upthumbed this prod, you are the one hindering it to be 100% yourself! ;)
Karazz, Altah!
Would even be good as a 4k. Awesome!
rulez added on the 2012-09-17 23:58:09 by Alpha C Alpha C
WTF
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 00:00:01 by Zplex Zplex
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 00:17:05 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
Nicey, though weak thumb cause I was bored with raymarchor. But nice blend like jelly matter.
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 00:48:53 by Optimus Optimus
Honestly, amazing.
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 02:37:39 by ferris ferris
Pretty great, prolly the best music I've heard in a 1k yet ("technically")
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 03:29:49 by noby noby
Alter! I'm not that much into 1ks, but that might change... I mean, wow.
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 06:16:08 by chock chock
Ich wurde erleuchtet
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 06:30:58 by Sir Sir
Quote:

you fuxxored your own prod btw, by putting a comment, which is a pig ofcoz, this counts into the overall score, so once 99 ppl upthumbed this prod, you are the one hindering it to be 100% yourself! ;)

Who cares about that?! wtf.
added on the 2012-09-18 09:01:24 by las las
Awesome!
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 09:04:08 by Cj Cj
Fucking crass.
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 10:08:56 by chromag chromag
nice
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 10:36:17 by provod provod
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 10:44:12 by p01 p01
Excellent music in 1k
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 10:54:02 by jack-3d jack-3d
Alter! Krass!
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 10:54:29 by nekomono nekomono
Awesome! How many bytes does the music add to the exe size, compared to a no-sound version?
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 11:22:56 by yzi yzi
uhm ... i think it was
~70 bytes player
~70 bytes patch data
in the end.
so something around 150 compressed bytes for everything sound related (including setup, function imports ...)
added on the 2012-09-18 11:32:21 by gopher gopher
wtf
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 11:35:38 by w00t! w00t!
Should have been called "white the frac" :)
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 11:51:53 by gloom gloom
Quote:
something around 150 compressed bytes for everything sound related


Very interesting, thanks. I've been aiming at something like 120-130 bytes, so maybe I should relax a bit. ;) I've experimented with different kinds of structures and splits between code and data. The current best idea is to encode notes in a rotating 32 bit word, and then use AND bit masks for deciding whether to play or not play notes, given a frame counter. And include the complete MIDI message as data for every "track/channel".
added on the 2012-09-18 12:09:52 by yzi yzi
i can give you exact figures tonight if you want it more detailed :)

i wouldnt know how to specify a note value from a rotating 32bit bitmask for notes (as its only on/off), except you have one mask per note value.

this one uses 4 instruments with 1 pattern of 64 bytes each (basically 2x32 tick patterns, but always played together)
the needed midi command bytes are also stored with the pattern data block and pattern selection is done by some pattern bitmask

so at least here since the player code is pretty minimal already the only way to reduce the size is to use fewer instruments or have even more repetitive sound :)
added on the 2012-09-18 12:30:46 by gopher gopher
oh yes!
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 12:38:23 by a-move a-move
Alter Falter!
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 13:38:26 by mad mad
gopher: my "patterns" rotate 4 bits at a time, so 8 different 4bit pitch values per 32 bit word, and then there's the framecounter-AND-mask, which decides the activity. For each track, you can have one extra freely selectable 32 bit parameter for midiOutShortMsg, which can be for example "set patch 20 on channel 1" or "all notes off on channel 2". In practice this means that at least one of the tracks cannot have note-offs at all. ;) Fun trickery, trying to squeeze at least remotely sensible "music" out of all those restrictions.
added on the 2012-09-18 14:27:07 by yzi yzi
stutters on geforce680 even on 720x480 on some scenes - and the sound stutters as well when it does. still, awesome effect and music in 1k!
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 14:33:40 by cupe cupe
freaking nice work.
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 14:54:31 by iks iks
top banana
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 14:55:58 by Fell Fell
las: wtf? why do you care so much to rant about my comments here and on irc? nobody else cares :p
Up!
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 15:36:58 by Sir_Lucas Sir_Lucas
Awesome! Nice effects and really cool music for a 1k, excellent.
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 15:44:11 by StingRay StingRay
So how does one get 1k/4k etc working on win7 these days.
added on the 2012-09-18 15:55:41 by Intrinsic Intrinsic
uhm, so when did you start a 1k/4k for the last time? :)

if no window shows up after a few seconds of decrunching the reasons are probably (see .nfo)
- no recent directx installed
- no shader model 3.0 compatible graphics card
added on the 2012-09-18 16:00:40 by gopher gopher
if you get sound, but blackScreen, you obviously use some MultiScreen-Setup. we coders still have no 100%-workaround for that by now. in 1k i wouldnt apply any of my fixes at all! ;)
pretty awesome for 1k!
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 17:11:22 by toxie toxie
nice, ihr seit doch alle verrückt :D
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 17:58:36 by Premium Premium
Well my system was all XP and i only used Win7 for DX10 stuff ;p so everything always worked in XP. But i built a new machine and thought may as well go Win7 but now no 1k/4ks etc work ;p can't remember if i had them working on my previous machine as i used XP 99.9% of the time. They all give errors similar to this: Fault Module Name: ntdll.dll
Fault Module Version: 6.1.7601.17725
Fault Module Timestamp: 4ec49b8f
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 000300e2

I know there was some crinkler w7 issues but thought they'd been fixed.
added on the 2012-09-18 18:04:42 by Intrinsic Intrinsic
its not crinklers fault.
get/update DirectX/OpenGL ;) you forgot to install/update them! also make sure you have your motherboards drivers installed, else the bridges wont work at all!
Intrinsic: in that case installing the directx9.0c redistributable from the microsoft website on your win7 machine might solve it
added on the 2012-09-18 18:40:10 by gopher gopher
No everything else works fine and i'm not a retard everything is upto date ;p it's only 1k/4k's that have this issue. I multi boot XP and w7(x2) everything is fine in XP, only the w7x have an issue.
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 18:41:21 by Intrinsic Intrinsic
what gopher said is true: win7 doesnt come with dx9, only dx10+ preinstalled! ;) you need to put dx9 yourself!
I have already done the dx9 redist(and just to make 100% sure i just ran the setup again as it was already saved on my machine and said it was up to date), this machine has been running for 5 weeks and as i said everything else runs on it, every demo/game etc i've tried works fine, it's only 1k/4k...i know recent ASD demo's fark up with the latest nvidia drivers, but older drivers don't work on my 670 but dunno if that'd have anything todo with it? very odd either way, i'll just have to keep searching, maybe try disabling UAC/DEP which rings a bell.
added on the 2012-09-18 19:31:05 by Intrinsic Intrinsic
After updating my Nvidia GT540M Win 7 driver from 301.42 to 306.23, nothing works anymore. A reinstall of the old one fixed the problem.
added on the 2012-09-18 19:50:45 by Cj Cj
Technically awesome for 1k. And it even works on my old notebook. Music seems to be too slow compared with youtube version but... Hey! This is 1k! :)
rulez added on the 2012-09-18 21:03:22 by stan_1901 stan_1901
This is really good for 1k.
rulez added on the 2012-09-19 10:11:22 by rale rale
Wow. A proper intro in 1k!
rulez added on the 2012-09-19 10:23:59 by raer raer
Damn, this is looks and sounds really good.
rulez added on the 2012-09-19 10:34:53 by blueflame blueflame
What cupe said.
rulez added on the 2012-09-19 12:10:12 by Blueberry Blueberry
nice
rulez added on the 2012-09-19 15:58:08 by Maali Maali
Krass, Alter!
rulez added on the 2012-09-19 19:30:47 by moqui moqui
especially the music was good, though it seemed to slow down with the fps :)
rulez added on the 2012-09-19 21:02:02 by msqrt msqrt
Absolutely astonishing music. Best music in a 1k evah.
rulez added on the 2012-09-20 10:15:21 by auld auld
very nice
rulez added on the 2012-09-20 12:36:41 by v3nom v3nom
Huh! :)
rulez added on the 2012-09-20 18:27:44 by leGend leGend
Endkrass KURWA, lan !
rulez added on the 2012-09-21 18:08:30 by keith303 keith303
That is nice and kaleidoscopic...
rulez added on the 2012-09-21 18:39:01 by baah baah
cool, but fps ia slow down to 1-2fps, GTX 560 Ti .... O_o ????
rulez added on the 2012-09-22 06:30:47 by Darkman007/quite Darkman007/quite
slow but nice
rulez added on the 2012-09-22 12:41:23 by Frequent Frequent
Major slow downs during the big explosions! :(

Ew, MIDI? Why?
added on the 2012-09-22 18:37:19 by AntDude AntDude
antdude:
midi ... well, maybe cause its the only way to get sound into a 1k while not taking too much of the little space available?
same for the slowdowns btw. no space left for early outs and speedup code in the shader.
added on the 2012-09-22 19:26:44 by gopher gopher
what!? I don't even
rulez added on the 2012-09-22 19:57:17 by Weyland Yutani Weyland Yutani
.oh!
rulez added on the 2012-09-23 03:11:19 by kempy kempy
intense !
rulez added on the 2012-09-23 20:52:18 by spiny spiny
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY THUMBUP!
rulez added on the 2012-09-24 13:07:21 by Tjoppen Tjoppen
Complaining about lack of speed optimizations in a 1k intro is pretty daft.
added on the 2012-09-24 13:27:08 by gloom gloom
This doesn't look/sound like a 1K, awesome!
rulez added on the 2012-09-25 00:13:53 by ara ara
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rulez added on the 2012-09-25 01:07:22 by rbz rbz
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rulez added on the 2012-09-25 10:21:16 by mudlord mudlord
Krass!Alter!
rulez added on the 2012-09-25 12:21:27 by gaspode gaspode
Well done
rulez added on the 2012-09-26 14:23:37 by Steel Steel
Very nice 1K
rulez added on the 2012-09-27 00:59:13 by bdk bdk
Very nice.
rulez added on the 2012-09-29 02:51:11 by xernobyl xernobyl
alter, krass! ;-)
rulez added on the 2012-09-29 02:52:40 by xyz xyz
what jack-3d said.
and nice fx for 1k.
rulez added on the 2012-09-29 02:53:14 by got got
wow, a 1k where the music finally sound like actual music. pretty amazing.
rulez added on the 2012-10-01 22:04:00 by iq iq
perhaps next time do the music in a separate thread so that it doesnt stutter? :)
rulez added on the 2012-10-03 15:36:24 by Gargaj Gargaj
music struggling with the rest of the demo is kinda funny, even still, very much worth a thumb.
rulez added on the 2012-10-05 18:43:12 by velusip velusip
What the heck? I forgot to thumb this one up?! Worthy winner, definitely! :-)
rulez added on the 2012-10-06 15:15:12 by pixtur pixtur
This is the best spent kilobyte ever
rulez added on the 2012-10-12 20:25:38 by merlucin merlucin
Jellyfish :)
rulez added on the 2012-10-14 22:57:17 by BackSpace BackSpace
crashes here
added on the 2013-01-06 00:46:30 by T$ T$
Well done.
rulez added on the 2013-01-06 18:46:22 by ulrick ulrick
crazy
rulez added on the 2013-05-20 19:06:42 by cce cce
Stutters even in the smallest windowed on my rusty GT 640,- but daaaaaaaamn this is fucking ace!
1kb with sound, stunning visuals and even sync? ALTER, WIE KRASS!
rulez added on the 2013-05-20 19:17:30 by mog mog
beautiful!
rulez added on the 2013-07-25 14:34:30 by rez rez
Works only in VMWare Win7 32... and even then, slow down to a crawl and stutters badly to the point it's not watchable at all:

Win7 64
2500K @ 4.7Ghz
16GB RAM
660 GTX @ 1.3Ghz, driver 337.50

Probably the most broken, but still working release I've ever seen. It's a shame considering it's from 2012. I can perfectly run 3DFX games created some 15 years ago, old Windows XP games, but not a demo made merely 2 years ago.
sucks added on the 2014-04-21 04:49:57 by ramon ramon

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