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Voyage by Demo Aces [web]
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release date : august 2016
release party : Assembly 2016
compo : pc demo
ranked : disqualified
  • rulez 2
  • is ok 6
  • sucks 49
popularity : 0%
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  • sucks -0.82
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added on the 2016-08-07 16:29:05 by Fell Fell

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Well, cat meet pidgeons. Thought this would be a better place to discuss than the oneliner.

Managed to find some original content in there to use for the screenie tho!
added on the 2016-08-07 16:29:45 by Fell Fell
I wonder what the true story is. In any case, thumbs down for the ripping and content + thumbs up for the epic trolling = quite an indifferent piggie.
added on the 2016-08-07 16:33:23 by Preacher Preacher
thumbs down for the ripping and content
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 16:34:23 by break break
Ripped music, ripped content, nothing worthwhile to call original here. Shame.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 16:38:43 by visy visy
I sort of wish there was an .nfo or something from the demo creators so I knew for certain what their intentions are. They could be trolls, they could be lamers trying to pass off other peoples work as their own, or they could just be some young programming students who don't understand etiquette.

I will say this, making your first demo is hard particularly if you are a coder and have no music or art/design skills. But I have much more respect for someone who puts in effort and does the best they can even if the result is sub-par rather than take someone elses work and present it as your own.

Shadertoy is a great learning resource, lots of neat functions on there like IQ's noise functions and such. Also stuff like Mercury's raymarching toolbox thing they released. I think it is fair to say at some point most people have learned from or been inspired by the works of others, but the important thing is to use that knowledge and inspiration to create something original.
added on the 2016-08-07 16:41:20 by drift drift
Full-size high-priority project with hiqh quality GFX and 3D!

Amazing industry-grade top-skills! Please don't forget to include it in your CV.

And last but not least... gtfo!!! :DD
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 16:41:42 by tomkh tomkh
Well, I met the guys and they certainly were not young, more closely to my age ~30
added on the 2016-08-07 16:42:03 by visy visy
Quote:
They could be trolls, they could be lamers trying to pass off other peoples work as their own, or they could just be some young programming students who don't understand etiquette.

If they removed the comments / credit from the shaders, I'm gonna go with #2 there.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 16:42:56 by Gargaj Gargaj
Visy: I see now. I thought it might have been a first year university student project or something. I just thought possibly this was a case of ignorance rather than deliberately bad intentions.

I have no idea why someone would think they can release a demo with ripped content to an audience full of people with over 20 years in the demoscene and think nobody would notice.

Also what was with the claims about vulkan and assembler code. It is plainly written in C/C++ and using openGL. Baffling.
added on the 2016-08-07 16:48:38 by drift drift
Ok Gargaj makes a good point. My thumb goes down.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 16:49:33 by drift drift
Fuck this shit.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 16:51:38 by gloom gloom
Initially after the compo I had lot of speculation and shit I wanted to comment on. Not anymore though.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 16:53:48 by noby noby
I think I'll go with my gut feeling here. Adding a thumb.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 17:07:07 by Preacher Preacher
Don't mean to act like I'm so squeaky clean, hell I've stolen as much of iq's and others' minds and ideas as they generously care to share.

Won't bother listing the shaders used; just picking a string from a random shader in the zip seems to Google to a ShaderToy.

Still hoping to hear some explanation from Demo Aces but for now thumb goes down.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 17:09:27 by Fell Fell
Blatant steal. That some source code is available doesn't mean you can take it and pass it as your own.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 17:24:56 by Zavie Zavie
Not a bad demo. But if the content is ripped bigtime, it sucks.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 17:31:51 by rock rock
I'm convinced this is a jokeprod.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 17:42:49 by fizzer fizzer
weeelll
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 17:45:08 by ferris ferris
Disrespectful
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 18:03:22 by Weyland Yutani Weyland Yutani
well, funk you and the coder colors to :D
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 18:21:09 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
Entry will be disqualified from the official results
added on the 2016-08-07 18:30:16 by sivu sivu
I think pms would benefit from having a report option. Glad to hear this will be disqualified from the official results.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 18:38:01 by shaiggon shaiggon
Quote:
Well, I met the guys and they certainly were not young, more closely to my age ~30

The whole thing has all the markings of a (bad) joke, the only question that remains is whether these guys are even in on it.

(and next time: at least steal something good, for Pete's sake. :P)
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 19:06:18 by tomaes tomaes
I think everything about this tells it's supposed to be a joke, from the group's name to "coded in assembler" and the 7.1 surround thing. Scene satire or something.
added on the 2016-08-07 19:15:59 by yzi yzi
_If_ that's the case I think I'd feel more patient with it (not much though) if released at a pure demoscene event. Personally my thumb would still go down for that.

I think large parts of the Assembly audience have little option but to judge a presented work just as it is presented, without much surrounding context; which is very unfair to the original authors in this case.
added on the 2016-08-07 19:21:32 by Fell Fell
Jokes are supposed to be funny though.
added on the 2016-08-07 19:24:56 by Gargaj Gargaj
Or rather, let me rephrase - if you're doing satire, you better have some sort of point to get across.
added on the 2016-08-07 19:27:08 by Gargaj Gargaj
Gargaj/Fell: it would be mildly funny in only one case - if all names in credits are made up (especially the name of lead programmer and don't forget: CEO of Demo Aces). Maybe that's the case, who knows.
added on the 2016-08-07 19:47:02 by tomkh tomkh
Mr. Lead Programmer apparently works in the same company as I do, so his name is definitely not fake. I compared the email address, associated Facebook profile and his photo on the internal company website - all of them overlap into actual real preson profile.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 20:24:39 by GumBoy GumBoy
Wow.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 21:02:50 by branch branch
:(
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 21:10:45 by Virgill Virgill
I actually quite liked this one in the compo. Turns out their demo was not their demo
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 21:17:45 by T-101 T-101
what ana said
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 21:27:14 by halides halides
Exactly what T-101 said :(
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 21:34:21 by mayday mayday
nuff said
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 21:45:11 by HellMood HellMood
it seemed to me suspicious during the first show
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 22:32:51 by Creonix Creonix
As if it never happened before that demos claimed bullshit facts..

Still, just rippng everything and not giving credits is a no go of course
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 22:44:48 by spike spike
I really look forward of seeing if this was just a bad joke or were the guys really thinking they could get away with stealing.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 23:19:46 by DickThunder DickThunder
Last year we had DEMO2 which was trolling, but was funny. I loved it.

This, I don't really get. It's clearly some kind of parody, but it's not really funny.
sucks added on the 2016-08-07 23:57:59 by Trilkk Trilkk
Even if this didn't have the problems you talk about, frameskip == thumb down. Always.
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 00:07:44 by Warma Warma
SHAME ding ding
SHAME ding ding
SHAME ding ding
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 00:25:33 by argasek argasek
Thought it was alright on the stream, but obvious thumb down if its just ripped shaders from shadertoy.
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 00:33:13 by sohx1 sohx1
lame
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 00:58:56 by psenough psenough
This is just lamer than lame.
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 13:02:47 by TomoAlien TomoAlien
Zero transitions, and what has already been said.
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 13:20:02 by Ok3anos Ok3anos
Quote:
I actually quite liked this one in the compo. Turns out their demo was not their demo


Maybe sleep deprivation was starting to affect my brain by Sunday morning, but I liked it in the compo, too. I guess now I know why: it's been done before.
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 14:54:27 by Ms_Saigon Ms_Saigon
What everyone else said
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 15:57:38 by Optimus Optimus
thumbing down to be part of the cool kids club!

But eh.. what is this? Just a bunch of stolen Shadertoy shaders?
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 16:42:30 by okkie okkie
Feels very exploiting in the worst imaginable way.
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 19:46:51 by l_n l_n
would like to still hear some comments from the authors. i personally hope that this exploitation would only be serious case of ignorance what comes to fair use.

whole production was incredibly incoherent. i don't even understand how someone could like this even if the content would be original.
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 20:18:38 by waffle waffle
pc suxx :D
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 22:20:24 by unity1 unity1
What everyone else said (stolen comment)
rulez added on the 2016-08-08 22:44:09 by Harekiet Harekiet
Where was the music stolen from?
added on the 2016-08-08 23:15:11 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
From here, apparently.
added on the 2016-08-08 23:19:36 by noby noby
i don't care if there was stolen content.
but if you steal..steal better
sucks added on the 2016-08-08 23:33:26 by 1in10 1in10
A half-assed pile of junk, puked out without either effort or inspiration. What little value there is has been taken from somewhere else and thrown together into an incoherent and meandering mess that somehow manages to be even less than the sum of its parts. There are hints of a tongue-in-cheek approach - references to “assembler” and “7.1 surround mode”, typo ridden greetings, and the bravado of calling one’s group “Demo Aces” - and yet the thing is completely devoid of any wit or humour, let alone commentary. It’s essentially indistinguishable from the direst kind of lamer production.

In other words, by 2016 standards, it’s satire.
sucks added on the 2016-08-09 10:39:42 by jobe jobe
With proper credits for each shader and a bit of transitions and color grading to make everything go together this could have been a really nice "Assorted Eyecandy from Shadertoy" demo.
added on the 2016-08-09 13:33:39 by yzi yzi
Debut of the decade :D
sucks added on the 2016-08-09 22:51:41 by AzzaroMWI AzzaroMWI
i would rather look at original shaders instead.
sucks added on the 2016-08-16 11:01:49 by FlashyYNT FlashyYNT
I take a personal responsibility as a lead to not properly check all crew inputs which in this prod were used (in terms of shaders). However music and all sountrack is still original content by Animehaus and used by his permission as credited.

Once again sorry to the scene and as a proper penalty I shutdown demoaces crew for good.

with regards
Rafal
sucks added on the 2016-08-22 22:21:23 by demoaces demoaces
And I suggest to delete this prod from puet archive since it doesn't make any sense to keep this.
added on the 2016-08-22 22:23:34 by demoaces demoaces
That sorry excuse is as lame as the demo.
sucks added on the 2016-08-22 23:29:54 by StingRay StingRay
no excuses, and as said shutown penalty has been done
added on the 2016-08-22 23:44:35 by demoaces demoaces
I just awoke from strange and vivid dreams about the scene, but none of them as strange as this production and its aftermath.
sucks added on the 2016-08-23 08:18:28 by Radiant Radiant
great chance to make a big comeback as a zombie! dead groups are coming back all the time now.
rulez added on the 2016-08-23 10:32:58 by yzi yzi
demoaces: I haven't watched this prod, but I want to encourage you not to give up on the scene! Now you know what not to do :) . Start over, start small, start with something you can handle on your own. Enter a smaller party - that's what my group did. The stakes are lower there since you don't have to compete against CNCD/FL/FR/BRS/HG/... :) . If you are comfortable writing your own shaders, than enter a ShaderToy compo - I think at least @party, NVScene, and Solskogen have had them recently. You've made your apology --- now make something awesome!
added on the 2016-08-23 19:06:13 by cxw cxw
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Mr. Lead Programmer apparently works in the same company as I do, so his name is definitely not fake.

Which company? Will he be fired?!
added on the 2016-08-23 19:53:05 by lollol lollol
I think it pretty well sums up demoscene anno 2016 that this prod has more debate and elaborate comments than the winning demo from Evoke...
added on the 2016-08-23 19:57:27 by Punqtured Punqtured
Controversy has been causing a lot of debate and commentary for as long as I've followed the scene. Or the real world for that matter.
added on the 2016-08-23 20:48:11 by break break
just start afresh with a new group name and this time don't accept lame crap from your coders
added on the 2016-08-23 20:56:08 by yzi yzi
I think the Shadertoy website should release once a year a best-of with some nice music.
added on the 2016-08-28 17:08:52 by Salinga Salinga
Greetings to "Farbraush, Hjoubb, Razor 911" :D
sucks added on the 2017-01-08 19:27:31 by noname noname
Voyage my ass
sucks added on the 2017-09-04 00:05:38 by Sir Sir
Only just saw the comment by the team lead. Really hope you come back afresh, don't let your prior compadres drag you down!
added on the 2017-09-04 00:29:48 by Fell Fell

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