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NovaMark 4.0 by Zalem Corp
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release date : august 2002
release party : Slach 2002
compo : pc demo
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added on the 2002-08-12 14:29:45 by kosh kosh

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This demo is a bit different from others coz it is first designed to be a benchmark in order to test the functionality of DirectX 8.1.
You can launch the full demo by simply clicking on the big sphere or launch individual scene by clicking on associated cube.
rulez added on the 2002-08-12 14:42:27 by kosh kosh
it's an ugly benchmark.
sucks added on the 2002-08-12 14:47:12 by robotriot robotriot
Could you be more precise Robotriot?
added on the 2002-08-12 15:02:47 by kosh kosh
benchmarks look usually very nice, sure. But they have no scene feeling... ;/
added on the 2002-08-12 18:26:59 by elend elend
i think the maximum fps i got was 30fps, which isn't good considering how simple the scenes looked.

and the interaction model for the initial sphere-control is very bad since you can't control the outer rotation (the rotation of the 'effect boxes').
and blabalbal.balablabla.
did not work here anyway... :/
sucks added on the 2002-08-12 19:58:18 by elend elend
Fantastic !!
This Was a Great Show, Works Fine On Windows XP
rulez added on the 2002-08-12 20:17:12 by Mike 3D Mike 3D
didn't work. 200MHz MMX pentium, Win98, 128MB of memory...
added on the 2002-08-12 20:20:21 by uncle-x uncle-x
Only the music ruled here...sorry
sucks added on the 2002-08-12 20:42:18 by Wain Wain
We have to precise that you have to got a good 3D card (GeForce+) to have a chance to launch and appreciate our work. Scenes are complex (see the faces count on every cube) and many effects are active to enabling good Dx 8.1 testing.
If you encounter errors, feel free to send description to me....
added on the 2002-08-12 20:47:46 by kosh kosh
kosh: the scenes (especially landscape) aren't complex enough to be interesting. the textures are way too simple. the bitmap trees don't look good anymore nowadays. only the 4th scene appealed to me a bit. but maybe i'm just used to the standard of modern games. besides i don't think this benchmark has to do much with demos and it don't really belong here.
added on the 2002-08-12 20:48:42 by robotriot robotriot
the last scene didnt work here, otherwise the other scenes didnt look any good.

Anyway, what is a benchmark doing in a democompo?
added on the 2002-08-12 20:49:43 by Wain Wain
Another precision :
Outside scene Winter come with 20000 particles and 7000 trees
Garden scene feature 400000 faces
Floating worlds come with full scene mirror, 7 particles system, lens flares and full scene transparency
Antialising is also active if your card can support it.
added on the 2002-08-12 20:52:10 by kosh kosh
Why benchmark in a democompo??? Fresh air, don't be so narrow minded...Since Amiga, Demo Scene got the minority syndrome...Don't reject originality..
added on the 2002-08-12 20:55:04 by kosh kosh
Fantastic Job...It's rulez!
I really love it...AFAIK, I found the scenes really cool and well done.
Very professionnal job...especially the FSAA
Work great under my win2000.
rulez added on the 2002-08-12 21:13:08 by Blacklord Blacklord
for me it's ok...
but u have compete with a 42k intro so...
BenchMark Vs intro ?!?!? found the bug...
anyways, ok show :)
added on the 2002-08-12 21:14:24 by Stv Stv
oops. i commented on the wrong benchmark:)
added on the 2002-08-12 21:16:56 by uncle-x uncle-x
Stv : For the competition, I agree with you. But the organisators have decided to merge demo and intro competition.
But we are not interested in victory...only sharing our work count for us....demo spirit is alive...
added on the 2002-08-12 21:27:42 by kosh kosh
Kosh in regaurds to the older demo New Millenium, why does only go as far as optimizing and then it stops?
added on the 2002-08-12 22:03:36 by Mike 3D Mike 3D
DemoMike : For New Millenium, you have to launch it under win2000 or XP...there is some problem under win9x...We apologize for this problem but the time is running faster taht us..:)
added on the 2002-08-12 22:24:19 by kosh kosh
The demo works fine now that I updated my drivers for this Geforce4.
Thanks Bud
added on the 2002-08-12 22:32:33 by Mike 3D Mike 3D
DemoMike : Thanks for watching it!!
added on the 2002-08-12 22:35:09 by kosh kosh
Geforce2mx here, doesnt work. ( wasn't it Geforce+ that was needed? )
added on the 2002-08-12 23:10:41 by emoon emoon
works here, geforce2 mx win-xp, alltho i dont like this "demo", i tought it should be good coz it was a benchmark, but no. ugly textures, simple 3d, ugly trees, and the worlds biggest snowflakes.
added on the 2002-08-12 23:27:10 by pantaloon pantaloon
A faster download link would be nice (in the case that it makes sense to test this baby on my pIII-450 with tnt2)
added on the 2002-08-13 00:09:36 by Crest Crest
kosh: i put ok demo because i think it's ok :)
it's not an agression, just a remark :)
be cool :)))
added on the 2002-08-13 00:31:29 by Stv Stv
as a demo it is not impressive because it's just four 3d scenes, no design, nothing.

as a benchmark it is not impressive because it does not do/test anything earth shattering (pixel/vertex shaders etc.) the scenes are not very complex for todays standards and at the same time they are rather slow.

I could go as far as to say that this being a benchmark is an excuse for lack of design.

Still, I liked the music and the fourth scene was indeed quite nice. Keep up the effort! :-)
added on the 2002-08-13 00:36:05 by moT moT
i agree
added on the 2002-08-13 00:44:26 by Stv Stv
only one good scene (the last one). music is really nice (although a bit unreal tournamentesque)

Overall, benchmarks can make nice demos (see last 3dmark, it kicks ass), but this one doesnt quite cut it
added on the 2002-08-13 05:04:02 by mac mac
Hey boyz, her's my opinion!
If the demo doesn't move, it will disappear, killed by frag parties!
If you can't find something new, you will disappear also.
I'm so tired of those old school -dream-flowers-etherical-non sense-boring demos!
The texture of the trees is simple cause there are more of 6000 of them in the scene: Try to do better.
The scene aren't enough complex. 400000 faces. Try to do better.
Thanks Mot for saying our demo has nothing. You can be sure i will look at your prods in the future to find what something means to you.
Don't look for professionnal stuff. We're demomakers (3), not a complete staff of game makers.
Thank everyone for your opinions. We'll try to do better next time and to make a lot of people angry.
rulez added on the 2002-08-13 09:26:02 by Mitch Mitch
MoT: Really cute comment....How can you say that we don't test shaders??? You are a very smart person!!! We DO test shaders coz all is done by vertex shaders and in the garden scene there is one pixel shader.
Scenes rather slow? ok..show us an equivalent scene faster (20K particles(big as you say), 50k faces, full scene aa, sky dome, alpha blending everywhere and bump mapping for the ground...
Please try to understand what you talk about before trying to make remarks

Stv : No problem, I'm cool...:)
added on the 2002-08-13 09:49:42 by kosh kosh
take care with self-voting :)
added on the 2002-08-13 09:49:54 by Stv Stv
It's not easy to see someone say that we don't do what we do...!! Nevertheless, it's ok for us....
added on the 2002-08-13 09:59:25 by kosh kosh
I have to precise that we just want to make GPU killing scenes with all available dx 8 functionality. Not just a pseudo kick-ass scene. All effects are actives but can't be seen easily...we apologize for it...
We have work hard to share and shopw our work...not to make better tha you...demo spirit is alive.
added on the 2002-08-13 10:02:52 by kosh kosh
i mean self-voting on pouet :)
Oh and the winter with particles look very cool :)
added on the 2002-08-13 10:24:32 by Stv Stv
Stv : thanks a lot :)...for pouet, we just vote for a good demo :]!!!
added on the 2002-08-13 10:29:05 by kosh kosh
i liked this
rulez added on the 2002-08-13 10:50:56 by mempheria mempheria
Keep on coding... rather this than cubes with texts.... cool work.
rulez added on the 2002-08-13 11:03:59 by peggy peggy
and some benchmarks are just too boring and useless as a benchmark to be worth starting
added on the 2002-08-13 11:24:29 by chaos chaos
Tanks to all...Our benchmark really kill your cards...as an example, atlhon XP and geForce4 ti get 11000 t overall score...
Feel free to send your results...
added on the 2002-08-13 11:50:17 by kosh kosh
i got something around 8500. (some weird old gef3 preprod board on p3-933)
the tested things seem pretty useless though :P and ehm.. it's ugly in case i forgot to mention that. still, those huge almost tree sized snowflakes made me smile :)
sucks added on the 2002-08-13 12:16:55 by shiva shiva
the snowflakes... hmm well call it "art"?
people are strange,, thumbs this down, and thumbs up "chimera".
a last word.. you all doesnt understand "snowfllakes" ;-)
added on the 2002-08-13 12:25:24 by mempheria mempheria
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rulez added on the 2002-08-13 12:53:09 by Hatikvah Hatikvah

quote:

"Why benchmark in a democompo??? Fresh air, don't be so narrow minded...Since Amiga, Demo Scene got the minority syndrome...Don't reject originality.."

now read it again... muahahahaha :D


dont be narrowminded, rite! lets have games, tools and animations in democompo..

sucks added on the 2002-08-13 14:41:11 by raver raver
i wonder where they found the nerve to call this technically non-impressive piece of shit a benchmark.

no thumbs down tho, the design is so lacking (or horrible) and the RGB colors almost make my eyes bleed.

the way i like it.

added on the 2002-08-13 14:43:14 by superplek superplek
Once again lator shows his incredible thread-fuck-up skillz.

And someone says...
Quote:
Don't reject originality


Benchmark? Originality? WTF?
sucks added on the 2002-08-13 14:49:46 by tomaes tomaes
Tomaes, you are the only one fucking up this thread with YOUR comment.
And yes, a demo combined with benchmark is not as usuall as a ugly fucking demo with cubes and poetry..
added on the 2002-08-13 15:05:51 by peggy peggy
Thanks peggy for your comments that bring some kind of balance.
Yes, tomaes is a fucker.
But we don't need lamers comments anyhow.
added on the 2002-08-13 15:28:35 by Mitch Mitch
Hrhr. You kids make me smile.

Creating fake accounts like there is no tomorrow.
Can't take critizism
Use gross and offensive language (yeh, it's so cool)
Call everyone a lamer (wow)

and of course you don't get the point at all.
added on the 2002-08-13 15:40:32 by tomaes tomaes
Raver : lets have games, tools and animations in democompo....
Why not, the demo spirit is just to have fun no with non commercial products..? Stop being extremist...I'm pretty sure you can one day have friends...
Plek : "technically non-impressive piece of shit a benchmark"...I love the 'piece of shit"...a benchmark is not designed to be impressive (thus i found our impressive..), it is just designed to BENCH. And I don"t want to come on a thread about YOUR productions..(there are juste the way I like..)
Tomaes : Benchmark? Originality?..A benchmark by itself is not original..we know, but this one was done with a demo spirit...could you feel it? And please, keep your insults for you...

added on the 2002-08-13 15:40:55 by kosh kosh
LOL, i feel that this thread will be very long :)
added on the 2002-08-13 15:45:17 by Wain Wain
kosh: What insults? And no, there was no demo-spirit at all. But that's of course just my impression... But when you have a look at the other comments, you'll notice, that most people seem to miss the demo connection too.
added on the 2002-08-13 15:46:40 by tomaes tomaes
Tomeas: WTF = what the FUCK <-- offensive language. Are I one of those that you accuse for using fake account?
added on the 2002-08-13 15:50:52 by peggy peggy
maybe you should take some english classes, but let's proceed to the actual point. ok?

i just wondered why you are presenting this as a benchmark or ' dx81 test' (i'm not against presenting one in a democompo tho, since it can be somewhat similar).

the stuff you're rendering is pretty average (and i damn well know what i am talking about, mind you), and presented in a designwise mediocre way, at least i think so. in my vision a real benchmark is something more like the 3dmark stuff. this and for example glvelocity are just well.. demo-ish experiments grown out of hand =)

"And please, keep your insults for you..."

this attitude is what makes me wanna pick on you.. so here we go

KOSH IS A HOMO
KOSH IS A HOMO
KOSH IS A HOMO
KOSH IS A HOMO
KOSH IS A HOMO
KOSH IS A HOMO
KOSH IS A HOMO
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KOSH IS A HOMO
KOSH IS A HOMO
KOSH IS A HOMO

thank you.
added on the 2002-08-13 15:51:20 by superplek superplek
Tomaes : It depends... For me, the demo-spirit is just trying to share and show his work to all computer-lover..Nothing else. And You can also notice that some people (and there are not fake account...) could appreciate our demo/bench/piece of shit.
One positive thing anyway : we have produce many reactions...I don't reject critizism. I only reject lame critizism just made by negativity.
Finally, I wish to say that you are not the incarnation of the demo-spirit...everyone can have his conception of it.
added on the 2002-08-13 15:52:38 by kosh kosh
Plek : KOSH IS A HOMO. Well, first of all, sorry formy poor english. Then, you think treating me as a gay is an insult?. Well, I have nothing more to say. For your next insult, try this: Kosh is black, kosh is jew, kosh is chineese, etc...Incompetence and racism: good job!
added on the 2002-08-13 15:57:36 by kosh kosh
peggy: WTF (the abbreviation!) is not offensive in my book. Feel free to disagree. :)

About fake accounts: I guess at least 10% of all accounts on pouet are fake. Since I don't know you, I can't (and won't) accuse you for anything...
added on the 2002-08-13 15:59:18 by tomaes tomaes
May be one is fake, hum?
Nevermind, I'm not interressed in that kind of insinuation anyway.
About the appreciation of Kosh by plek: Demo makers are getting this down, nowadays? Can't believe it. Shame on you, plek ...
added on the 2002-08-13 16:10:24 by Mitch Mitch
your replies blow your cover kosh. your enthousiasm transforms you into a cliche.

another thing you might want to explain is the connection between homosexuality and being "black" or chinese.

for the heck of it:
YOU'RE STILL A HOMO



added on the 2002-08-13 16:13:28 by superplek superplek
and dear mitch: who the fuck are you and what gives you the right to speak :)
added on the 2002-08-13 16:14:30 by superplek superplek
Plek : The connection between gay and black is the racism...Take a book, you will see. Just to point out your level.
Being homo is not a tare.
Mitch is the gfxman of Zalem...
And you, What gives you the right to be so stupid?
added on the 2002-08-13 16:19:12 by kosh kosh

koshi -> DEMOCOMPO should be called DEMOcompo for a reason... think about it.

added on the 2002-08-13 16:21:14 by raver raver
DEMO = demonstration! Demonstration of WHAT? Think before writing stoopid raver!
(like I do =)
added on the 2002-08-13 16:23:28 by peggy peggy
you're calling me stupid? i'm certainly not going to take that from someone who is gay!!1111!!!11 ;)

raver shut the fuck up you idiot, i couldnt care less if someone released a fucking sheep in a democompo.

JABDAH!

added on the 2002-08-13 16:24:00 by superplek superplek
Raver : I will say that Novamark is a tentative of evolution of the demo. Feel free to disagree.
added on the 2002-08-13 16:32:18 by kosh kosh
plek: I would care MUCH MORE if someone released a fucking sheep in a democompo ;)
sucks added on the 2002-08-13 16:40:02 by kb_ kb_
oh btw, these guys are french
that explains the feeble attempt to arrogance :)
added on the 2002-08-13 16:41:47 by superplek superplek
Plek : Could you have reference other than racism??? You should consult.
We are not arrogant, we have just put our work on Pouet to share it....if you don't like, it's ok for us...
added on the 2002-08-13 16:45:34 by kosh kosh
plek: Stil is french and homo too ;p
added on the 2002-08-13 17:00:34 by Stv Stv
oK...We don't do demo, but we do what we like! ((c) Naa)
added on the 2002-08-13 17:28:33 by kosh kosh
Arghh, so many fuckers, and not enough bullets...
added on the 2002-08-13 17:33:17 by Mitch Mitch
well, it's all quite simple: I don't care if you make benchmarks, demos or oil paintings. I am not interested in your sexual preferences (or Plek's opinion or them). All I care about is that it looks good and sounds cool.

Sadly, this production doesn't.
added on the 2002-08-13 19:02:51 by sagacity sagacity
I'd rather watch a mexican jumping bean high-jump competition.
sucks added on the 2002-08-13 20:43:59 by rayro rayro
ok guys....thanks for your comments !!!
We cannot be appreciated by everyone...
Our next demo will be a fucking mexican jumping sheep in a pure demo-style that looks good and sounds cool...so everyone would be pleased :)
added on the 2002-08-13 21:54:53 by kosh kosh
and what about a demo ??

effects + graphics + music ??
added on the 2002-08-13 22:10:09 by florent florent
Kosh : ecoute c'est pas la peine de prendre la mouche : votre demo c'est du pur moteur 3d : genre "regardez ce que je peux afficher"
Bon c'est vrai qu'il est bien ton moteur mais vous auriez pu faire u effort de montage non ?
Respect pour le code quand meme
added on the 2002-08-14 10:13:28 by nytrik nytrik
Its ok... The scenes are very dull and the music ditto. I dont care if its a combined demo/benchmark, but the work behind it could have been better. The scenes run excactly so long that you get utterly frustrated with them.

and the last comment... now now kids. behave :p
added on the 2002-08-14 10:22:03 by NoahR NoahR
Nytrik : Faut que je precise que le tout a ete realise en trois jours sans gfxman ni zicos...de ce fait, pour le montage, sans graphiste, j'ai eu un peu de mal :)
M'enfin merci pour le commentaire sur le moteur, ca fait plaisir!!
added on the 2002-08-14 10:25:47 by kosh kosh
Booooriiiing.
sucks added on the 2002-08-14 11:22:55 by placer placer
erm, ugly, boring, sux, demo????? 1st?????
hehe
need i say more
sucks added on the 2002-08-14 20:40:47 by graffik graffik

peggy i am sorry to sayt but you are the wannabe ragger looking for attention and stupid enough to THINK before acting, for me there is no consideration following the heart aye sounds noble, rite? +++ demonstration is an english word while demo is.. demo, a different word used in scene and ofcourse benchmark and game can be demo in a way but there is a special category why i pointed out all what i did was because koshi (which seems to be openminded indeed - no sarcasm) pointed us out not to be narrowminded and that there is a real scene spirit in this benchmark - perhaps there is if he thinks so but benchmark is of some use after all while demo is completely "useless", for your mind (what's basically the only "useful" think we have - experience) but then again.. i might go on forever but i will just say a word for plek -> you're too oldskool, try some exotic animals..

and now when i did write all this rubbish without thinking before i am not gonna read it over again and see if style is good, check for errors, think again to make my replies more clever and insulting or deleting an odd sentence so i dont look like a f00l..

feckya'll

added on the 2002-08-15 19:28:02 by raver raver
hmmm, interesting comment made by kosh in their previous demo thread....
"Thanks for the comments..The next demo will be very much demoscene oriented!! :) "
not quite what we expected, oh, and btw, there are far more impressive benchmark (demos???) out there
added on the 2002-08-15 20:28:49 by graffik graffik
Héhéhé...my previous comment was a bit ambitious :)
Indeed, NovaMark was realized in only three days for the Slach party. I was the only Zalem member at the party, so I had to use old graphics and music resources in order to produce something. I'm coder not gfxman nor musician...
So I wish that the next one (the TRUE next one :)) will really be more demoscene oriented!
added on the 2002-08-16 13:18:32 by kosh kosh
Oh, poor raver, what I was refering to was your bad use of big letters... DEMOcompo and so on, and not thinking of what demo stood for... that means: demo is short for demonstration.... I understand your point that on the scene, the word demo has changed it meaning somewhat, but the fact is that it comes from the shortname of demonstration.. and a demonstration is what a "demo" is... get it? Yee yee, we all have diffrent opinions... and that is good, otherwise we would all be communists... and that is NOT good.
added on the 2002-08-16 14:15:51 by peggy peggy

closer to the .

added on the 2002-08-16 18:33:46 by raver raver
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added on the 2002-08-16 18:33:56 by raver raver
no.
it's not impress me, sorry
only the menu is ok, but i prefer the U2's chrome-cube (see this here)
perhaps for a mathematician coder it's good, but the whole prod is ugly
ok, 3d engine seems to be very good, so why do you made it 3 days before a party instead of trying to make a good production with lots of weeks of good work ?
my computer score is more than 10.000 points on this benchmark, but every true benchmark provides a grid to compare results, not this one.
sucks added on the 2002-08-21 11:06:11 by Zone (leZone) Zone (leZone)
immoderate ego.
sucks added on the 2002-09-27 08:57:31 by elric elric
Each demos displaying a frame rate can be called a benchmark. Rest is a matter of words and moods. Considering this, i thumb up the best demo group in the south of france for making fabulous demos.

rulez added on the 2004-09-08 10:16:08 by krabob krabob
Its ok.
added on the 2004-12-02 16:31:47 by erpherman erpherman
Download link? The lameness in this thread really makes me want to see this :D
added on the 2007-06-07 00:38:35 by Preacher Preacher
Benchmarks are so 1999 :(
sucks added on the 2007-06-07 01:14:55 by xernobyl xernobyl
Polygon count...
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added on the 2007-06-07 01:19:35 by bdk bdk

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