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Kassiopeia by Salva Mea [web]
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screenshot added by Fzool on 2002-09-01 23:11:46
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release date : september 2002
release party : Evoke 2002
compo : pc demo
ranked : 2nd
  • rulez 24
  • is ok 21
  • sucks 8
popularity : 0%
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added on the 2002-09-01 22:38:44 by tomaes tomaes

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rulez added on the 2002-09-01 22:39:56 by superplek superplek
rocks!
rulez added on the 2002-09-01 22:41:05 by pandur pandur
finally a scrolling painted picture again =) but it's way too unfinished and pointless. great graphics and music ain't that bad either.
added on the 2002-09-01 22:48:00 by robotriot robotriot
- Overused theme (flatshaded city a-like setting)
- cliche music (+ some sample(s) seem to be ripped from kasparov)
- somewhat pointless/unfinished (ok, only a preview...)
added on the 2002-09-02 01:28:40 by tomaes tomaes
Ok, i won't start a discussion here...but it will be allowed for me to say a few things:

1. we said that this is a preview, which means that it not even is a 'party-version'. The final ccould look completly different (ok, if you don't like the style of the preview, you most probably won't like the final either).
2. yes, the scrolling picture IS unfinished as it has been done by pixtur within few hours (2-3 or so). we don't know if there will be a more detailed version in the final (or if it even will be left out, which was discussed by us, too.).
3. yes! it IS an overused theme - but not for us. Salva Mea is a 'young' group and before we start to rock your ass of we need to start somewhere.
4. yes! the music is cliche, but it fits that overused theme best. btw, all the 'kasparov samples' can be found on the sample kit 'Monsterpack (Data Becker (c) 1999), CD#8 [Effects]' files: '8mx00012.wav' - '8mx00017.wav'-

Thank You for reading my comment. Have a nice day.
added on the 2002-09-02 08:34:18 by benJam benJam
hi, I just registered to do some explainations.
1. This is my first 3D-modelling and gfx for the scene EVER.
2. I DO like the music AND "Flatshaded City-like structure"-themes
3. Nero (who did another scroll-picture, you'll probably remember) is one of my best friends. I know that my image sucks and I hope he will forgive me ;-) (I'll meet him today.)
4. There seems to be a bug within the texture-allocation, which causes the textures and images to be scaled down to a senseless resolution on most computers. You can find a full-res-version of the image at http://www.pixtur.de/kassiop.eng.html
(In fullres. it might look even more unfinished). I pray for TB to work on this.

In so far, it was a nice little production for a party like the evoke.
added on the 2002-09-02 08:56:20 by pixtur pixtur
ok.
it`s a preview.
then why stretch it to the limit.
nice and simple scene and models.
If there was a (part of) a story ... I just didn´t get it

hope the final version will be better.

ps:
the three second rule isn`t just for newcomers....
sucks added on the 2002-09-02 09:24:02 by anti anti
fascinating modelling, and I like the quietly creepy atmosphere. though I think the music could do without the kasparov samples - it just gives you a "have I seen this before" feeling which this demo doesn't deserve.
Looking forward to the final!
rulez added on the 2002-09-02 11:25:20 by saffron saffron
Some questions to that comments from anti and Tomaes:

Tell me please, which demo is _not_ pointless in your eyes and what to fuck is the three second rule ?

thank you.
added on the 2002-09-02 15:12:36 by Fzool Fzool
Pointless was probably not the best fitting word. Should express somethin' like: "slow paced, unduly eventless, quite empty, uncertain style".
added on the 2002-09-02 15:52:20 by tomaes tomaes
boring like hell.
sucks added on the 2002-09-02 16:09:38 by boik boik
All in all a good demo. The sound creates a nice atmosphere, but the whole thing looks a bit empty and some scenes are a bit to dark coloured.
Reached the 3rd place in the compo btw
added on the 2002-09-02 23:09:38 by Crest Crest
benjam: WHAT? the kasparov samples can be found where? now that's crazy...
added on the 2002-09-02 23:13:32 by rp^frstl rp^frstl
Sorry, reached the 2nd place in the compo. Just mixed up the ranking with 'run away'
added on the 2002-09-02 23:13:46 by Crest Crest
A bit inspired by Chimera, methinks..
added on the 2002-09-03 01:00:05 by phoenix phoenix
Better tho'.
rulez added on the 2002-09-03 01:08:42 by Gargaj Gargaj
waiting for the final... I hate previews
scrolling picture was cool tho
added on the 2002-09-03 02:26:57 by cats cats
Just wanted to give some further reaction on what has been posted so far.
1. As far as I know anti, Tomaes and bbboy are notorious for giving very "critical" votes on pouet.net. Therefore I don't regard their opinion as relevant. Maybe they should consider not posting on productions...
a) ...that are not their favourite style.
b) ...that are not done by their favourite groups.
c) ...to that they have nothing but negative statements (we need constructive critique, just posting "this sucks/i don't like it" is lame).
2. what I tried to make clear with in my last statement was, that the "kasparov samples" are taken from a sample pack. And most likely the samples used in kasparov are from the same cds i use. so, there's no need to replace it...it's just a common percussion sample...like a 909 snare.
added on the 2002-09-03 10:17:35 by benJam benJam
Sorry, but I don't get this either. I could feel that something "should be" there, but it just wasn't for me.

Btw. If it's a preview - fine, but then don't release it. Otherwise it's no excuse.

Oh, and BenJam: so it's just "post if you like it, otherwise keep your mouth shut"?
sucks added on the 2002-09-03 10:36:45 by Delax Delax
As far as I know anti, Tomaes and bbboy are notorious for giving very "critical" votes on pouet.net

As far as I'm concerned: Yes, indeed, critical. Without quotation marks, please. And in "fukkin' sibjective style" of course. That's what pouet is all about.

My average rating is somewhat +0.3, so there's infact a lot I like and vote for. Furthermore I gave this an "ok", so what's your point? Do the final version and probably you even get an "up". I just wanted to give you some hints where to work on. If you find that offensive, well ok, as stated some lines above, you don't need to read anything.

In general some people are just a little too choleric about everything here. Relax, take a cookie, have a glas of wine. Have a laugh. Don't take everything dead serious.

Off.
added on the 2002-09-03 10:37:41 by tomaes tomaes
liked it. refine a little on some details, but that's why you call it "preview" probably :)
rulez added on the 2002-09-03 10:47:41 by shiva shiva
I would love to see a final version, because the preview version does not work on my computer. ;/
added on the 2002-09-03 11:04:16 by elend elend
rulez
music remids me of kasparov sometimes a bit
but anyway cool.
rulez added on the 2002-09-03 23:34:29 by abductee abductee
kassiopeia violates my windows. with an access violation. I use a gf2 Ti, and with 23.11 detonators I just get an error message. With 30.82 I get a nice blue screen. The 30.82 drivers failed my test and went out the window.

Funny, I never thought demos were so good to test drivers robustness...
added on the 2002-09-04 00:21:13 by moT moT
I greyscale landscape with a red stucture and white space ship. A story? Maybe. Didn't care for the modelling, in fact it took silly ol' me a while to figure out what I was seeing. At first this seemed deliberate, but when the camera 'pulled away' the scene still didn't look too interesting.

And the scrolling image had some sort of vertical wobbling.
sucks added on the 2002-09-04 00:32:26 by sea_monkey sea_monkey
mmm..I guess if I was half-kut or severely intoxicated I may have appreciated it more....maybe change the name to 'Mobile 2: Destination well-known' eheheh...

Smooth as a baby's but though..and I like it more when I consider it's their 1st release. But FUCK preview versions and how could this place 2nd?? Toxical Overdose still gets my vote...k I'll shut up now ;)
added on the 2002-09-04 08:05:29 by verm verm
Incoming Message to Vermillion: Sorry, but this is _not_ our FirstRelease. Check Http://www.salva-mea.org for more Releases from us.

Thank you.
added on the 2002-09-04 11:22:26 by Fzool Fzool
it crashes on my pc.
same here
added on the 2002-09-04 12:10:04 by Shifter Shifter
Incoming Message to Fzool: What th...sorry bout that. I don't follow the C64 scene and would've easily missed your other two PC prods due to a 2 year absence from the scene. Don't be so quick to lash out against any pissy little mistake you find because of bad feedback. I never meant it to sound as offensive as it did...
ps. No hard feelings eh & lovely website btw...
added on the 2002-09-04 12:51:59 by verm verm
Slightly reminds me of Chimera... a nice attempt to do something stylish, but still too slow (at least on my pc...)
added on the 2002-09-04 13:33:59 by dixan dixan
in some strange way this is really stunning.
rulez added on the 2002-09-05 01:16:46 by cp_ cp_
Deserves a thumb up, especially for the modelling and atmosphere - so here we go. :)
rulez added on the 2002-09-05 10:19:19 by melw melw
cool prod! great atmosphere and pixel gfx!
but crashes on my pc, waiting for the final...
rulez added on the 2002-09-05 17:37:58 by reaktor2k reaktor2k
i like it...
sometimes too slow, but very nice atmo !
rulez added on the 2002-09-05 17:51:18 by Igoronimo Igoronimo
a bit boring but very nice gfx and 3d
rulez added on the 2002-09-05 19:01:28 by raymon raymon
Zzzzzzzzzzzz
sucks added on the 2002-09-05 22:52:20 by Wain Wain
Well, it crashes here as well! :-(((
It's showing an error-message shortly after starting it...
The sound starts playing though but if you click 'ok' in the error-window it exits at once.

So where is a _fixed_ version of it pleeeease!! :-/
added on the 2002-09-05 22:57:02 by Weasel Weasel
wow, wow, wow. cool that so many people like this demo so much. We never expected that. That is really cool. And hell yeah we are working on a new version of this one. But as everybody else we must work to buy some food and power for our computers. Maybe you want to pay us, for making Demos? No ? Hm :) So please wait some weeks for the final. We want to port it to our new engine, which supports more GFX Cards and bugs like that. Man, i wish this would be a C64 Demo, no problems with the Hardware ;). We will fix all the bugs, and when not, the bug is a feature as usual. Ofcourse. Please send some fanmail in form of Bugreports to Tb^Salva Mea. The Email Adress you will find in the good tasting Note called Readme.txt. Thank you. And sorry for my fucking bad english.
added on the 2002-09-06 00:27:48 by Fzool Fzool
wow! cool demo. salva mea will rule soon!

but why release it in such an unfinished state? and the engine is so slow, i though it was some silly software rendering. pushing that amount of polys should be straight forward.
added on the 2002-09-06 12:32:49 by chaos chaos
chaos: this is realy old code ;) the final version will have a brand new engine. but this engine was not finished at evoke, but will be finihed (hopefully) in some weeks or month. We want to release the "preview" at evoke, because evoke is a great party, and just the "preview" makes the 2nd place, this is so cool. the final version will feature a lot hot new stuff :)
added on the 2002-09-06 16:35:19 by diver diver
Yes ,in the first minute it was truly interesting. The music fits ,and the picture is amazing. But if you'd like ,i'd be pleased to give you a few hints to the scheme of the city itself ,because its still a bit too small...
rulez added on the 2002-09-06 16:46:27 by Exin Exin
In the beginning seemed ok, but got boring after a while...
Could have been a thumb up, but the "thank you" at the end turned it into a piggy.
added on the 2002-09-06 23:02:56 by kurli kurli
Nice enough to look at, but nothing special. The object movements were really jerky even though the framerate was quite high??? I'll leave the thumb until I've seen the final.
added on the 2002-09-18 09:10:39 by Paradroid Paradroid
the atmospere makes me forgive all the flaws. cool one. finish it.
rulez added on the 2002-09-18 10:19:39 by bhead bhead
i found it quite stunning, you guys kept the athmospherical level on a constant scale, great soundtrack and nice graphical work by dr. lazy too.
rulez added on the 2002-09-18 11:25:25 by dalezr dalezr
nice to see my old ppl scored a good place and produced a demo that is well discussed, although I still can't comment myself, since it crashes my machine. TB, fix das :-)
added on the 2002-09-18 11:34:18 by delta delta
benjam: what's the point of releasing something as a "preview" ?! why not wait till you have a party|release version?
macaw: why not "preview". We wanted to release something for evoke, because after evoke there is no party for us. Maybe Mekka in some Month (The Party stinks, Dialogos canceled, etc) And some people like this version. and hey, second place for a "preview" version. we never excpect this. watch it, or wait for the final. it´s so easy.
added on the 2002-09-18 12:48:59 by diver diver
Looks like chimera, but this one doesn't suck.
added on the 2002-09-30 09:30:31 by placer placer
Halcyon's "Chimera" style.
Ambient demo with great athmosphere.
Rulez!
rulez added on the 2002-10-10 06:35:21 by kimi kandler kimi kandler
hello scene people. we must delay the final of kassiopeia because the complete demo team is also organizer for the tUM*o2 party. So we are busy with organizing the Party and we are also doing a PC Invitation for it. Sorry for that, but we are only humans ;)
added on the 2002-11-04 02:44:50 by Fzool Fzool
rulez added on the 2002-11-28 16:29:40 by Zafio Zafio
Whoa, bought new PC and NOW I FINALLY SAW IT!
And it fucking roxx!! We'll meet @ tum 02!
rulez added on the 2002-11-28 17:13:09 by elend elend
Damn! ;-)
Haven't seen it as well...as it's not working here!
Was counting on the final then...
and now I'll have to wait again till it's finished!
Hmm...will I ever see that #2 demo from evok!? ;-D

The story continues....
added on the 2002-11-28 17:58:54 by Weasel Weasel
A piggy just turned into a thumb-down because you turned this page into a bulletin board.

Please, don't answer.
sucks added on the 2003-04-25 14:20:22 by kurli kurli
Listen up, pleaze!
We are searching for a guy capable of running this production and making a hi-quality divx version of it. Since actual systems won't run this anymore and there's nobody willing to fix it.
If you're able to give us this divx, you'll get free entrance to tUM*o4! Write me an email...
sucks added on the 2004-09-03 23:47:16 by benJam benJam
Cool demo, I hope it is not dead.
Btw guys, I have already free entrance for tUM. It would be nice if someone other than me would this DivX. :)
rulez added on the 2004-09-19 18:51:37 by René Madenmann René Madenmann
It's a boring flyby, but it's a good boring flyby!
rulez added on the 2004-09-19 18:57:50 by Preacher Preacher
hmm, nice stuff after all.
but what's this "actual systems won't run this anymore" all about? It appears to me to run quite well with newer hardware / newest drivers as long as you just use either win98 or the win98 compatibility mode.
rulez added on the 2004-10-09 06:23:40 by mizc mizc
boring, too much low poly, no textures
benjam : it runs on my 'actual' system (win2k geforce4200ti)
ok here is the final hint to run this demo under windows xp:

1.) Find the executable
2.) Right-click the icon and select Properties.
3.) Click the Compatibility tab and place a checkmark next to the text labeled "Run this program in compatibility mode."
4.) Select the operating system Windows 98

that should work.
added on the 2004-11-26 21:49:33 by Fzool Fzool
*z-z-z*
sucks added on the 2005-01-08 19:29:34 by Frozzy Frozzy
compatibility mode checkmark worked, although hanged at the end.
the red something is quite cool, but fails as a demo...
added on the 2005-01-09 01:51:26 by blala blala
oh, yes!
rulez added on the 2006-03-25 11:12:35 by Frequent Frequent
interesting, but I like it :)
rulez added on the 2007-04-05 14:16:54 by aha aha
Nearly 5 years since ...
It is still one of those demos that even after years set a tremendous impact on me, mainly due to its combination of graphics and sound. I really like that atmosphere.
In the last days the wish to do a fix/final/sequel (call it however you want) grew more and more in me. So maybe ...
Still waiting for a final version, any hope for a release?
added on the 2007-08-08 18:59:14 by Frequent Frequent
the screenshotflipping matches currently to some dubstep track im hearing. very nice.. oh and the demo is also very nice.. gfx must be by some great grafician i somehow know from somehow somewhere... okok really nice one
rulez added on the 2007-10-02 13:23:31 by mad mad
that was nice

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