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sp04 - Airplane? by Spacepigs & vacuum [web]
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release date : april 2019
release party : Revision 2019
compo : pc demo
ranked : 1st
invitation for : Underground Conference 2019
  • rulez 75
  • is ok 31
  • sucks 18
popularity : 66%
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  • rulez 0.46
  • cdcs 1
alltime top: #1316
added on the 2019-04-22 10:44:53 by Paralax Paralax

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Luckily FTP still delivers ;)
added on the 2019-04-22 10:50:12 by Paralax Paralax
offroad shader coding
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 12:35:47 by nagz nagz
Funny, but no winner for me :D
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 13:06:29 by SaphirJD SaphirJD
https://youtu.be/c6mw_bPDf4Y sp04 - Airplane? by Spacepigs (60 FPS)

.. until the scene.org gets ..it
Well,...hum..perhaps...
Well ... no.
added on the 2019-04-22 14:46:00 by nytrik nytrik
Awesome!
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 14:48:02 by cristea cristea
excellent
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 15:01:24 by groepaz groepaz
i really wanted to thumb it down, because although i feel that it was made with the strong intention of being funny, it is actually not funny anymore. and probably never was.

however, i have to admit that it was also made with a deep understanding how the shit with voting on a huge party works. it may be a bit too hard-headed, but it worked (again). because nobody could make a really, i mean, really good demo (cocoon tried, but, uh).

so, well, i don't know why it takes too long to utter, but i hope this is the very last space pigs demo in pc demo compo. i mean, in pc demo compo, not in the wild or shortfilm.

piggie for now and i want to take my time (back).
added on the 2019-04-22 15:12:21 by sq sq
maybe do a seminar at revision to finally explainto the scene what's funny and what isn't so people finally start voting for the right shit etc lol wtf
added on the 2019-04-22 15:22:31 by jco jco
meh...
added on the 2019-04-22 15:31:01 by natalia natalia
Pure greatness! :D
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 15:38:03 by mayday mayday
I laughed my ass off. AGAIN.

sq - how about asking a question about the intentions instead of mansplaining? Would be a good move forward.

What's a really good demo in your book?

Where has been yours in the compo?
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 16:28:43 by rp^frstl rp^frstl
Thumb for the demo and for sparking another Winnerdemo-like discussion :-)
Well played Kevin!
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 17:21:47 by Hopper/SquoQuo Hopper/SquoQuo
total score: SID
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 17:36:41 by Minus256 Minus256
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total score: SID

ouch, it was MOS 6501
added on the 2019-04-22 17:38:21 by Minus256 Minus256
#1 :-D kewl!
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 17:42:40 by wertstahl wertstahl
@rp^frstl, i just didn't like that demo, i guess i shouldn't be sorry for that. Probably, i didn't get most of the jokes, but i think i understood the rest of them (not the inner ones), and even i didn't laugh, i have to admit that they were decent, professionally-made and well executed.

speaking of the demos i love (are you really interested in it?) i love most of cncd+flt and still demos, i used to love asd demos, and i love the latest holon's demos from the recent. i love tbl at most. i don't love senseless 3d flybys through the churches and factories, thus i don't love cocoon's.

the compo wasn't that strong as in the last year, so i can't say i loved something from there. maybe that's why sp04 came 1st. because it hasn't faced real competitor. i hope, at least.
added on the 2019-04-22 18:05:01 by sq sq
I'm getting dejavu vibes from Breakpoint 2004 when Winnerdemo and Silkcut were their respective compo winners. My theory: TBL bribes German PC groups to make big joke demos.

But seriously (©™ pouet oneliner), I was entertained. Might not sit well with anyone related to the recent Boeing 737 MAX crash victims, though.
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 19:01:46 by phoenix phoenix
sq - of course you don't need to be sorry about not liking something. Tastes are different.

Talking about intentions: I'm absolutely sure that JCO etc probably have a shit-ton of fun making these. And that's that there mere cause for Kevin to exist. If they wanted to be sure about making the 1st at Revision Democompo, they'd probably aim for something entirely different.

Despite the adventures of Kevin lacking state-of-the-art effects, it brings something else and unique to the table. Which doesn't fall into the "let's make a demo in a week"-category.

There's a good amount of things to be learned from these. About timing, sound-design, choreography, not showing stuff and letting the brain fill in blanks.

And imho that deserves to win.
added on the 2019-04-22 19:03:57 by rp^frstl rp^frstl
I don't remember when was the last time I laughed this hard.
Watched the earlier Spacepigs releases on my sofa, but this time I went to the party, and oh boy, is it a different experience! Had a nice spot in the second row, center. People left and right going crazy and laughing their asses off.

I literally cried from laughter (as in, soaked through two tissues) and I can still feel my sore throat that this demo gave me.

10/10
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 19:33:37 by PotcFdk PotcFdk
Endgeil.
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 20:00:26 by Sir Sir
I like the shot a with the flower a lot while the fighting was taken place. Like most Kevin demos they have a good flow and are very amusing. Not number 1 material though but I guess crowdplweasers are gonna crowdplease :) So contrats! Oh and by the way I loved the pigmasks when picking up the price. Adds to the mystery.
added on the 2019-04-22 20:38:54 by numtek numtek
lamers gotta die ;)
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 20:43:32 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
the daft pigs
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 20:57:18 by remdy remdy
I thought it was funny.
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 21:41:31 by Radiant Radiant
Hillarious and memorable, but I rather see it in wild compo....it can easily win
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 21:44:24 by Trauma Zero Trauma Zero
I dunno..
added on the 2019-04-22 21:54:52 by Tjoppen Tjoppen
Tons of hilarious slapstic ideas :-) ...stuff like this deserves to be in any pc demo compo and hopefully will be also in the future...we don't need less of it, we need more !
rulezcdc added on the 2019-04-22 22:03:26 by Kuemmel Kuemmel
Does spacepigs need to be subdivided?
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 22:04:46 by break break
Piggie for Kevin.

Just didn't find it funny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
added on the 2019-04-22 22:24:01 by p01 p01
fuckin crap. If I want to watch the unfunny things, I'll go to the page with the memes, keep this shit away from the demoscene.
sucks added on the 2019-04-22 23:05:48 by Rork Rork
PC demo is the king of all categories! The best effects mankind can produce, no restrictions, all techniques allowed. (read: "wild compo")
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 23:15:53 by yzi yzi
Thumb for Analisis XD
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 23:24:01 by ISL ISL
Entertaining and funny in the Moment on the big Screen.thumbs for that. No rewatch Value for me at all though.
rulez added on the 2019-04-22 23:27:02 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
F the Lamers.
rulez added on the 2019-04-23 00:18:38 by Leander Leander
lol
rulez added on the 2019-04-23 01:44:07 by psenough psenough
It's technically well done, with good pacing, clean voice overs, and audio... I may even have found small parts of it funny during the compo, but it is a bit like "How far can we string along this Kevin thing?"

We also didn't need scamp's "reply" to "comments on the internet" during prize giving if this (or the 64k entry) was the reason for it. :-/
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added on the 2019-04-23 02:50:01 by Maali Maali
I am sure it was funny while drunk at the party. Certainly stands out.
sucks added on the 2019-04-23 08:47:39 by hornet hornet
Maybe fun live then and there if your drunk, but i watched the stream sober and it didn't work for me. Very surprised to see a joke-prod get first place at Revision.
I don't want to give a thumbs down because i guess effort was put in to it and there is nothing wrong with it. It is what it is and does not try to be more. I am more surprised at the outcome of the compo.

So a piggie.
added on the 2019-04-23 09:27:49 by velo velo
What Trauma Zero said.
reading some comments I get the idea that voting is no longer enough for the scene. what we need is voting the votes, let's call it metavoting. e.g. partymeister gives you one other random vote and you have to vote whether it's rightful and true. e.g. a five star vote can only be valid for a prod containing drum&bass, a one star vote must be invalid if the demo has a ton of particles. a cartoon demo may only be upvoted if its by cocoon (see takeover 2001). you also have to account for nationality. if any germans are involved, it can't be funny, so you somehow have to filter the votes using a threshold or sth.
for this to work, partymeister should provide a "because" feature while voting. in the form of "N stars" "because" "dropdown box with reasons".
the reasons should, in addition to the above examples, also contain some names of random popular sceners.
the resulting initial voting dataset including the because-data can then be metavoted in multiple passes until we end up with a satisfying, fair and objective prizegiving, distributing zero stars evenly thoughout all the groups. all amiga prods get a base rating of 4 stars though, because amiga.
added on the 2019-04-23 10:40:34 by jco jco
It is good and hilarious.

During the compo I was quite diappointed that it turned out to be an invitation, but taken in isolation I actually think it's fine. The compo had way too many invitations back-to-back so that affected my feeling on this demo initially.

I'm glad that this entry won. It's genuinely entertaining, gets all the beats right, and has genuinely good production. It's not a "joke-prod", it's a comedy-prod.
rulez added on the 2019-04-23 11:43:29 by fizzer fizzer
I was sufficiently amused by it while mostly sober at the party.

What is a "joke prod" anyway? Just because this has comedy in it? What a weird and lowkey demeaning way to put that (now thinking about those "joke movies"...).

Gargaj's immediate criticism was that it was too obvious where this was headed, but I don't think that's even the main attraction of the demo. It's about the journey, not just reaching the destination. I would say though that Spacepigs needs to create some new IP finally too and not just milk the existing characters since they don't exactly have an immense amount of depth.

Other than that this was yet another step up and forwards in editing, camera work and sound design (and I guess it was technically more competent too). I hate that it's an invitation though.
rulez added on the 2019-04-23 12:13:17 by noby noby
how it possible???
sucks added on the 2019-04-23 12:14:37 by zeebr zeebr
It's not even funny
sucks added on the 2019-04-23 13:15:22 by Hydrogen Hydrogen
I don't see what's wrong for a demo to be an invitation. I've seen lots of invitations that have entertained me.

It's obvious why everybody wants their party invitation to be shown at Revision: Addressable market size.

This is only a problem if invitations mostly consist of "party features" slides, especially if it's redundant information like "we have chairs to sit on, and demos". A good invitation demo should be able to stand on its own when it comes to content.

In this case the main story line of the demo was settled on being a parody on an invitation demo while at the same time being a non-invitation to an invitation-only party.

On a different meta layer, one could argue that there is no clear definition on what counts more on a demo - the visual quality? having written your own impressive 3d engine instead of using someone else's? the entertainment value? how good the storytelling was? Cocoon's release blew me away sitting in front of the big screen, and I would have not had any hard feelings if it had won. But is it better? Hard to say, they are great in very different kind of ways.
added on the 2019-04-23 13:42:12 by scamp scamp
Shouldn't this be moved to wild compo where it belongs?
added on the 2019-04-23 14:28:54 by AzzaroMWI AzzaroMWI
I don't drink and I thought it was funny during the party. It's an alternative kind of demo and I think the scene needs more alternative stuff, being a weird short like this or simply stuff without *untz untz*,
That said it's way overrated, it's a very effective kind of humor during the party, but not elsewhere, probably due to some psychological collective phenomena of spreading laughter.
rulez added on the 2019-04-23 14:46:12 by xernobyl xernobyl
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Gargaj's immediate criticism was that it was too obvious where this was headed, but I don't think that's even the main attraction of the demo.

Actually that's not fully accurate, although it was part of it. My main criticism was that while Hello Kevin was a fresh new exploration of social anxiety within the scene context, and Echo Chamber was a satire of how locked in we are as a scene - i.e. both prods presented an implicit well-intentioned criticism - this one seems to lack any of that and just plays into stale humour (Family Guy-level) and in the end turns out to be an invitation for a party which makes it little more than the things the previous installments tried to satirize, which is either ironic or cynical.

That's not to say it's not well-executed - it most certainly is - but at the same time it's aiming low and taking no risks, which in light of Hello Kevin is pretty disappointing.
added on the 2019-04-23 17:10:42 by Gargaj Gargaj
Damn, Gargaj has a really good point. Please don't turn out like The Simpsons. =(
added on the 2019-04-23 17:16:02 by fizzer fizzer
Azzaro: Under what definition of "wild compo" would that be the case...? The most common definition, and the one used at Revision, is about the hardware platform. And "PC with AMD or NVidia graphics" is not really very wild.
added on the 2019-04-23 17:16:24 by scamp scamp
I also feel this could have been a better prod without the invitation attached to it. Dunno why, it just somehow feels like the mood was killed when the Kevin absurdity was replaced by the typical invitation facts (I'm not saying I don't like invitations!).
Still, the rest was 10/10, so:
rulez added on the 2019-04-23 17:35:15 by Saga Musix Saga Musix
I'm a little sad to see some of the criticism here, yet I'm going to add my pebble to it.

During the competition this prod made me laugh and I had a good time. That being said, I was quite surprised to see it rank first (although to be fair, there wasn't much competition this year).
I don't think this demo is bad in any way, but I don't see any depth in it. It seemed to have only one layer of reading, which is in stark contrast with the depth of the two previous episodes, and how thoughtful they felt.
I think the comment from Gargaj just above reflects a similar feeling.

That is fine though. Again, it was enjoyable, and it would be unfair to expect your very best each time. I'm just explaining why my vote is only a piggie.
added on the 2019-04-23 17:58:53 by Zavie Zavie
I do see your point. But as always, it is not that easy.

Part of Underground Conference and its invitations going back to 1995 was about giving a big fat fuck you to criticize the commercialization of the scene and infestations with gamers, which started with The Party, but to a certain extend also became a problem at Mekka&Symposium. The whole sponsorship thing then peaked at Breakpoint.

Obviously, gamers no longer are a problem these days, and the scene is no longer mainstream, and its also no longer attracting any big sponsors. That's a pity seen from a budget standpoint, but on the other hand removes a lot of conflict of interests.

One point remains, though: The part of trying to not offend anyone. It's a personal worry of mine that social justice warriors may enter the scene and damage it, just like it has happened with the german hacking scene - you had SJWs entering who weren't part of the scene, weren't hackers, and only joint so they could complain about feeling marginalized.

As we all know, Revision is much "cleaner" than what Breakpoint used to be. It is always to see it that way when you aren't the person who is liable, but the you-can't-submit-an-entry-without-a-gema-check-rule to me feels awkward. No longer being allowed to sit on chairs in front of the bigscreen for "fire safety reasons" makes my butt hurt quite as much as this 'logic' hurts by brain.

There are a couple of incidents that happened to me during Revision in the last couple of years that did worry me. A couple of years ago I had some person interrupt the job forum to complain about one of the slides containing a "fleshlight" picture, calling it sexist. And surprise, as it turned out, that person wasn't a scener, never had done any release at any party, but only had one mission: Trying to force her own matters of taste onto others.

I had a similar but worse WTF moment when last year I was told that Revision was nearly booted off Twitch due to what I had said while being on the stream. And since then I indeed have heard multiple discussions of "can we do this / show this entry" where I was wondering on why the fuck organizers find it more important to have their stream more compliant with US morality "standards" than to keep the freedom of mind that to me is a core pillar of the scene. And indeed, after returning from Revision I watched the Twitch-recording of the compos, which does include chat commentary, and voila, people actually made "oh my god, this guy said fuck on stage!!" comments there, which does make me wonder what swear words US gamers typically use when getting shot in counterstrike instead.

This demo did prove its point quite instantly already in multiple ways: Already during its creation, there had been discussions in the kind of "but elite-only is non-inclusive!!", and after it was shown in the compo it only took minutes to have a discussion on twitter where it was claimed that using the "UNHCR" logo as an illustration for the "5000m² camping grounds" and a compo called "ParalyMP3" would be offensive. And indeed, there even have been mentions of "Demos like this should be forbidden".

This has nothing to do directly with the demo, and this is only my personal view, where the Spacepigs guys probably have multiple different views on, but personally my position is this:

Words are just frequencies passing into your ears. Unless when played at too high volume, words should not be able to hurt. I absolutely hate the US approach where even the worst kind of crimes against humanity are OK, as long as you don't curse about it.

I am not going to have an online troll living in a country that starts and supports war after war leading to human suffering to tell me I am not allowed to make word play that involves a UN logo or a wheel chair. It's obvious that making jokes about sceners having a hard time trying to survive in an outdoor camp isn't making fun about refugees, it's about making fun of us nerds. It's also obvious that the "ParalyMP3" competition isn't making fun about disabled people, it's making fun on demoscene music compos. The only way to be offended by these things is if you had the GOAL of being offended in the first place.

But anyway: I do understand that to most people, words can be hurtful, and indeed I do try my best not to hurt people in weak positions. People who know me will agree that I typically attack the strong, not the weak. But as is the case with SJWs, they typically aren't actually trying to protect anyone anyway, just as "pro-lifers" actually don't give a fuck about life, they should wish to force their own hypocritical standards upon others, and that's something I seriously dislike.

Which is why I called ryg / farbrausch a "fat black jewish lesbian girl" during the prizegiving. Not because he told others discussing this entry that I am an asshole on twitter (which is fine for me), but because he'd decided to actually encourage some shitty SJW to be in the position to judge on this.
added on the 2019-04-23 18:18:04 by scamp scamp
[This was referring to Gargaj's post]
added on the 2019-04-23 18:18:36 by scamp scamp
Wait, so for some it's too much story and too little tunnels, for others it's not enough criticism of the first ones' mindset? I'm confused now. Here's my two reasons for thinking this deserved 1st.

a) It excelled at making me laugh.
b) The competition was good, but none other excelled at anything specifically.

I don't mind the invitation tacked on to the end. It's the first big party of the year, not being spammed with invites would actually be a cause of concern for me. And I'd always pick an entertaining invite over a boring one.
rulez added on the 2019-04-23 19:07:25 by dojoe dojoe
Stupid greatness!
rulez added on the 2019-04-23 19:07:40 by toxie toxie
Well done Kevin.
rulez added on the 2019-04-23 19:14:55 by flynn_nrg flynn_nrg
I just had painful time I have to introduce this demo as first place in the biggest party and explain all the meme context to newbies
added on the 2019-04-23 20:41:39 by FMS_Cat FMS_Cat
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Please don't turn out like The Simpsons. =(


That, fizzer, is highly unlikely ;)

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That's not to say it's not well-executed - it most certainly is - but at the same time it's aiming low and taking no risks, which in light of Hello Kevin is pretty disappointing.


You have to understand that this invitation directly ties into the narrative of UC9. We had to have an airplane that crashes because this premise is the starting point for the demo party. There are only so many things you can do with these overall constraints while still keeping a concept that works for scamp and us. I think your point is absolutely valid by itself but it's still hard to square a circle.

I'm personally pretty pleased with how this project went because the things I set out to do (file sys monitoring + resource hot reloading, WYSIWYG integration with Visual Studio, inclusion of C# as 2nd scripting language to deal with our lua perf problems, debugging support for in-project C# scripts) went great. There's much more I could say about this but I'll spare you the details. I'm very curious what we can come up with next in a more traditional pre-party setup. Chances are it will involve more risk again.
added on the 2019-04-23 20:45:49 by Paralax Paralax
I hope Kevin got his C64 back later, stupid airport security!
rulez added on the 2019-04-23 20:57:41 by Chainsaw Chainsaw
What Zavie said exactly.
added on the 2019-04-23 21:31:03 by provod provod
I tried to bring myself to watch this twice but I could not bother. I maybe be a spoilsport and a very serious minded person, but this just did not work for me at all. It's great work, all in all, and it kind of ticks many of the boxes that a "fun" demo would do, but in all its self-referential glory it fails to deliver any sort of punch. The levels of meta in this, as also discussed in these comments, was just too much for me.

When watching this, I was kind of hoping that I were watching fractals with pounding techno music instead. And I don't really like fractals with pounding techno music all that much.
added on the 2019-04-23 22:28:14 by Preacher Preacher
Johann ... ein Bier.
rulez added on the 2019-04-23 22:58:18 by gaspode gaspode
Kevin looks more like an Amiga user, why does he try to get a C64 through the security check?
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 00:01:51 by Green Green
time to add some random personal thoughts i wanna share.

since demoscene is one of my few remaining hobbies, i tend to focus strongly on whatever grabs my interest within the short amount of time i manage to invest for a release. usually two weeks before the party during which i lock myself inside the studio and do nothing else. a passion crunch, so to say.

last year i focussed more on a bit of tech, i added the volume light tracer and realtime reflection to our engine. this year, due to the tool upgrades (see paralax comment), i wanted to focus strongly on direction/camera/animation again. being able to control 1000s of nodes explicitly within a live coding environment is a luxury i can get with making a demo. making something similar with a 3d tool, like cinema4d or sth, would have been tedious and boring. if you check out the exe instead of youtube, skip around a bit, pause it, change playback speed and you'll get the idea.

i have always been interested in "classical" direction, and with the spacepigs toolchain i found the most efficient way to continue on the path i started years back with video production.

about the point of this release being less mysterious and more traditional cartoon slapstick: i'd love it reaching a level where my stuff becomes comparable to the simpsons, actually :) nothing bad about learning the basics of an artform before adding your personal flavor to it. similar with code: maybe learn the basics of constructing a scene graph and implementing common datastructures before becoming super ambitious and reinventing the wheel everywhere. but thats just my approach.

i also like "story demos" because they give me a shitton of stuff to play around with sound design and music. much more interesting than the genre many other demos usally fit best in: music videos.

i'm very happy that we came up with an entertaining product that made some people laugh, and that we managed to finish it after the crunch of a lifetime. i was expecting 5th place or something during the prizegiving, imagine my surprise :)

some notes about some other comments here:
this is the second kevin demo. just the second. we introduced "nosegirl" as a new character, and the "kaiser" became a lot more 3dimensional ;)
this is the first time i tried to have characters interact in a somewhat logical and consistent manner.
sorry about the "rushed" greetings part, we forgot some group names there.
added on the 2019-04-24 00:02:53 by jco jco
Well done.
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 00:25:04 by las las
I totally love JCOs work - I was sitting in my DK vacation home and laughing my a.. off while I was watching this on screen.

Keep them coming, my vote will always be ensured! ;)
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 08:56:51 by Dascon Dascon
I laughed my ass off. This is the future of PC demo - animation movies.
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 09:15:33 by JackPearse JackPearse
can't piggie cause i laughed more than once. and isn't scenestuff supposed to make people happy? anyway it feels a bit misplaced in "pc compo"
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 09:33:18 by HellMood HellMood
Yes, JCOs work is impressive but still, for me personally, it's not a demo. Feels like it's in the wrong category and animation and demo categories really seemed to merge in the last years.

But it's nice to see something else winning than the latest FLT/CNCD/COCOON demo.
added on the 2019-04-24 11:10:54 by neoman neoman
alter...
sucks added on the 2019-04-24 13:07:16 by ultra ultra
missed this during the compo as was all over the place after the Amiga demo compo. re-watched at home yesterday and it made me chuckle in a few places.

I am so utterly confused at people saying it's not a demo. surely a demo is an executable program which runs a none interactive and audio / visual experience? and that IS what this IS! whatever the "content" might be, it still fits that description.

anyways, while I didn't find it as funny as the original Kevin demo by a long shot, I cannot fault the obvious time and effort which has gone into this. sound design and music alone is worth a thumb! having to make that many small tunes in all those different styles is a huge ask on anyone.

big ups jco!
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 13:29:39 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
nosegirl <3
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 13:41:44 by mog mog
apologies, Eha needs props for the music, just double checked the credits.
added on the 2019-04-24 13:54:04 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
djh0ffman: since I just noticed that credits could be more exact concerning music: the happy hardcore/UC theme track concluding this piece was done by Eha while the rest of the audio was made by Jco.
added on the 2019-04-24 14:01:59 by Paralax Paralax
Thumbs up for probably the best animation idea since walking in South Park :D
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 14:41:37 by jammer jammer
I think H0ffman just put it right. As long as it fits the compo rules and as long as speak about an entertaining executable here, it´s a demo.

One cannot argue about content of art - as well as one cannot argue about taste.

Even if we tried to - where do we want to pull the line then?
Joke entries in graphics compos disqualified?

Music that maybe is aiming to get the audience into good vibes by using ancient sample sets etc / meant in a jokingly way into a separate competition?


That would just make a thing (=demoscening / party entries) in which I invest lots of my sparetime much more complicated - but I love it, as it ISN´T that complicated. Life´s complicated enough. Scene is joy. Amen. (without break)
added on the 2019-04-24 14:53:54 by Dascon Dascon
:-D Kevin goes from strength to strength (or tooth to tooth depending how you look at it ;D), the narrative points out some not so good layers of society and human behaviour in both subtle and blunt ways, and satirises them in a farcical way which for me works well and did makes me laugh, I can respect the amount of effort involved too. Congrats!
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 15:00:21 by keito keito
First place or not; I watched this for all its six minutes (plus a bit) and was bored out of my mind. It's not that the jokes are tasteless; I just don't find them funny, and the pacing doesn't work for me at all.
sucks added on the 2019-04-24 15:26:09 by Sesse Sesse
I absolutely love the sound in this! Running the demo a second time was more about re-listening than re-watching for me.

I laughed and smiled during the demo even though I was sober, so thanks for that as well. :) But the invitation part of it felt weird and mood-breaking.

That it actually won feels a bit... strange, which is probably unfair. But then the competition this year wasn't the best, and it is refreshingly different from the rest, so: Congrats! :)
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 16:15:09 by Kylearan Kylearan
Not all of the jokes work for me but I still find this pretty entertaining. How anyone can say this is not a demo is beyond me.
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 16:16:33 by StingRay StingRay
I'm a sucker for well executed comedy and this is hella well executed and some of the stuff is really funny! End is a bit dragging, but gets UC9 point across. Loved the Turbo Analisis diss, they'll get back at cha!

Weirdest complaint is people saying this needs to be in the wild or animation compo for some reason. It's not like story driven demos are anything new in the demoscene
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 17:02:31 by okkie okkie
Limp Ninja should have won tho
added on the 2019-04-24 17:08:49 by okkie okkie
Haters gonna hate
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 18:17:07 by pyksy pyksy
mmmh no. This DEMOnstrates nothing but, humour, ..that's ok, and it's funny, but not in this category.
sucks added on the 2019-04-24 19:58:37 by JaK JaK
nah. first Kevin's show I watched in 2017 was moderate, but not my sense of humour. I respect some sense of continuation and consequence, but I'm little bit surprised that it has won seeing other demos. Probably as somebody else commented above, watching it on the big screen, drunk - made it more successful than watching at home.
added on the 2019-04-24 20:54:29 by hollowone hollowone
Ohh...
added on the 2019-04-24 22:21:54 by Manwe Manwe
Anything goes with demos as long as it's an executable that renders stuff in real-time, regardless of content. Still, my underbelly does have some sympathy for the viewpoint that prods like this seem more at home in an animation compo; it simply doesn't offer the kind of stuff I'm looking for in demos.

Nevertheless, the direction & storytelliing are superb and the jokes work very well for me - and I have a pretty difficult sense of humour. So a solid thumb up :)
rulez added on the 2019-04-24 23:48:08 by Alpha C Alpha C
AlphaC, tnx, nice to hear this from you.

I probably have a bit of understanding for the butthurt people whose scene we're killing by not being as conservative about the "what a demo is supposed to contain". but just a very little bit. others could copy some of the things we do well, implement it with a flavor they like, and fucking compete with us instead of whining afterwards. go read some books about camera, light, direction, color, sound design, and try yourself at those things. farbrausch did, mercury did, and a few other pc groups.

We couldn't have released this as a video in an anim compo because unlike many other demos it relies much on randomization (will be different every time you watch) and it does have an interactive part.

Since people keep voting for our prods, maybe the idiots who want to limit their demo compos to some particular aesthetics should organize their own demoparty with a "only boring drumnbass music videos and/or particle system showcases allowed" pc demo competition.

what do you expect from a pc demo nowadays? bleeding edge cgi stuff? go play the latest aaa games.

counterthumbing the "keep this shit away from the demoscene" asshole. keep shitty comments like that to youtube please, you know, the place where you watch demos, motherfucker.
rulez added on the 2019-04-25 10:08:06 by jco jco
@scamp - I feel somehow uncomfortable with this one being the peak of pc demoscene achievement in 2019. It just belongs to different category - wild/crazy/humorous/stand-up-comedy-demo etc.

Being shown there, no matters what hardware it runs on, makes things clear.
added on the 2019-04-25 10:42:04 by AzzaroMWI AzzaroMWI
AzzaroMWI: with all due respect: it does not and that's why it was shown right where it was. The compo rules are absolutely clear on that and there was not one tiny shred of controversy for compo main orga chaos^farbrausch.

Story demos are nothing new in the scene (see Okkie's comment) and if we could convince a hall of over a thousand sceners that our stick man with bad teeth has more entertainment value than the rest of the compo than this is just the way it is ;) You can believe me that there was quite some effort involved behind the scenes to making this happen. There are more facets to a prod than just graphics. I might finally write those up to make that clear.

Closing: why don't you submit your PC demo next time instead of trying to sabotage the demo compo rules? Reconvince the scene with deeds instead of cheap shots. I have to admit: I'm still a fan of Mawi.
added on the 2019-04-25 11:24:30 by Paralax Paralax
I loved it ! It was fun and creative. Other demos were also great but this one was different in a good way!
I believe that is the reason why people voted for it. I don't get the drama around it neither why some say it doesn't fit into the PC demo category. If a demo is only supposed to be a succession of ultra complex, high level nerdy graphic scenes , then many will be discouraged creating their first demo and at some point we will end up seeing only the same kind of thing...I don't think a demo should be only about showing off technical skills (we have other categories for that , like 4k for example).
rulez added on the 2019-04-25 14:30:42 by Shantee Shantee
Suggesting to learn "timing, sound-design, choreography, not showing stuff and letting the brain fill in blanks" from this one is like suggesting to learn reading from memes to me. =) But it's all present here indeed!

I saw it sober at home and it's nicely done, you can't take it from this one.
Having it winning whole demo compo makes me sad, and I guess it made some people here thumbing it down, but IMO it's not the authors fault, you guys did great indeed!
/shrug
rulez added on the 2019-04-25 14:57:11 by ton ton
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Having it winning whole demo compo makes me sad, and I guess it made some people here thumbing it down, but IMO it's not the authors fault, you guys did great indeed!


^ exactly this.

i felt like there were 1 or 2 better entries than this, but the buzz of the party was reflected in the results and to be fair, this SP demo was definitely far more approachable than the previous ones featuring Kevin. a job well done, even though i kinda wanted to see [INSERT-OTHER-DEMO'S-NAME] win.

and to all the naysayers: you make the content and you do the voting. up the ante next year (who am i to speak, though..) and beat the next SP demo at Revision2020 so this won't be an issue for you any more ;)
added on the 2019-04-25 15:12:16 by nagz nagz
I'd be really interested in knowing the number of people complaining about it winning who didn't bother voting.
added on the 2019-04-25 15:12:38 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
now this... this... this... is... a... demooooo!! kevin.
rulez added on the 2019-04-25 18:12:13 by blackpawn blackpawn
Funny, but there were surely better demos in the compo.
rulez added on the 2019-04-25 18:36:05 by Mystra Mystra
An extra thumb up for jco's response to those people who resist creativity: BB Image
added on the 2019-04-25 19:55:53 by fizzer fizzer
Ja!
rulez added on the 2019-04-26 01:27:59 by fenarinarsa fenarinarsa
trash
sucks added on the 2019-04-26 20:57:33 by beefheid beefheid
1st place for this crap? Really? If this piece of shit gets 1st place at Revision then demoscene is dead for sure... And people here talk about humor in this demo? Where is it? I can't see it at all. All that I see is retardism and nothing more. I just can't believe it...
sucks added on the 2019-04-26 23:42:53 by dex46... dex46...
Well done, Kevin! :D
rulez added on the 2019-04-27 00:08:45 by ham ham
Ja
sucks added on the 2019-04-27 00:10:11 by noname noname
well it was the most memorable pc demo, so it's only fair..
added on the 2019-04-27 02:19:25 by svo svo
What Zavie said, except with a weak thumb since it did make me laugh after all (more so than Spider Kim, but less so than Hello, Kevin and Echo Chamber). It's a good lesson for the PC demo producers, too: if you don't try harder, Spacepigs will come after you. And as much as I love Kevin and the rest, I really do hope you move on to create fresh new characters and regain the bite in your satire.
rulez added on the 2019-04-27 04:28:30 by moozooh moozooh
Felt a bit seen before.
added on the 2019-04-27 10:05:30 by Frequent Frequent
Lasst doch mal den armen Kevin in Ruhe!
rulez added on the 2019-04-27 10:27:23 by xeNusion xeNusion
great storytelling & direction
rulez added on the 2019-04-27 12:01:14 by wullon wullon
jerk off
sucks added on the 2019-04-27 12:04:07 by unity1 unity1
Good understanding of the audience's situation and exploiting psychological flaws, but as the PC compo winner this is underwhelming. :I
sucks added on the 2019-04-27 13:10:01 by r1g8 r1g8
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1st place for this crap? Really? If this piece of shit gets 1st place at Revision then demoscene is dead for sure... And people here talk about humor in this demo? Where is it? I can't see it at all. All that I see is retardism and nothing more. I just can't believe it...

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Good understanding of the audience's situation and exploiting psychological flaws, but as the PC compo winner this is underwhelming. :I

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Lamers.

:)
added on the 2019-04-27 13:31:55 by Sir Sir
^ lol
xD
added on the 2019-04-27 13:41:35 by HellMood HellMood
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:-D
added on the 2019-04-27 13:48:44 by r1g8 r1g8
^ lol

I stand corrected: predictable Lamers.
added on the 2019-04-27 13:51:58 by Sir Sir
Sir: lol :) perhaps, you can expose yourself to the fuXXings on the scrollers in the demos of the polish scene group called Lamers ;-) meeh.
added on the 2019-04-27 14:28:56 by unity1 unity1
Sorry I didn't intend to start a fight or insult anyone (what I said about understanding of crowd psychology is in fact a compliment), it's just that this demo has no effects (procedural art?) and tbh that's what I somewhat expect from a demo. (I admit my expectations may be an issue here, will give that some thought)

Let's skip the rest of the shit-throwing and get back to commenting our pov of the demo? TY
added on the 2019-04-27 14:55:42 by r1g8 r1g8
^ ok
added on the 2019-04-27 15:03:20 by Sir Sir
What moozooh said, except a piggie fits better :)
added on the 2019-04-27 15:54:00 by porocyon porocyon
r1g8 there is a ton of realtime controlled animation, unlike boring scene players which use deterministic tweening, we have iir filters all over the place. check out the micro movements of the security dude in the airport scene, for example. use the demo exe, press "pause". all the realtime stuff keeps running.
added on the 2019-04-27 20:11:21 by jco jco
r1g8 with your point of view you surely hate the ninjadev stuff even more i assume?

thanks for appreciating that we try to make something which is enjoyable to watch at a party (less fancy words for understanding crowd psychology blah). traditionally, the top notch amiga demos excell at this too. and more pc demos should. an "effect" (whatever that is) isn't worth much if you don't present it in an interesting manner.
added on the 2019-04-27 20:16:19 by jco jco
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sucks added on the 2019-04-28 01:25:17 by BiTL BiTL
Annoying shit prod. Not funny, not interesting... not a demo. The rest of the entries were horrible too, but this wraps the compo up nicely. What a waste of time.
sucks added on the 2019-04-28 01:31:53 by Nuclear Nuclear
Wow ...For some reason I watched this demo again (I saw it first at Revision and instantly voted for it .).. And of course this time I read the comments here again. I can see so much negativity and almost hate for this demo. Reading some comments really feels weird and it is the first time I get such feeling on pouet.net.

I am sorry if my text is complicated. What I mean is I begin to understand why some people seem angry about this demo being the winner.
They might believe it has been rated by pigs or even worst "gamers" anyway people not able to appreciate "real demo art" , idiots unable to understand the complexity of making the effects they saw in the cocoon demo or the adapt's or whatever ..Sorry I forgot what I saw because I found it quite dull this year to be honest.
I don't agree with it.
Some other might think they abused the "Kevin thing" (Yeah it might not work anymore.)
Fuck ..You know what I am just tired...This demo was great ! It made me laugh and it was different than the others (in a good way)... Now I agree that the humor was more like family guy definitely not like the previous one. But is was definitely creative ! Maybe we're bored nerdy black and white stuff with drum n bass music
added on the 2019-04-28 02:27:09 by Shantee Shantee
May I recommend Époisses to you. It is a very good and tasty sort of cheese.
rulez added on the 2019-04-28 02:37:50 by bsp bsp
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and it is the first time I get such feeling on pouet.net.

You surely haven't been here in ye olde heyday ( http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=12029 )

It's pretty much a one-and-a-half-decade rehash of the Winnerdemo drama.
added on the 2019-04-28 02:42:19 by d0DgE d0DgE
What d0dge said. If nothing else, this comment shitstorm gives a warm nostalgic feeling of the same thing we must go through once every couple of years :)
added on the 2019-04-28 07:05:29 by break break
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Annoying shit prod. Not funny, not interesting... not a demo. The rest of the entries were horrible too, but this wraps the compo up nicely. What a waste of time.


making demos to piss off unproductive assholes like you gives my life purpose and meaning.

(yup, tired of diplomacy.)
added on the 2019-04-28 12:11:43 by jco jco
No
sucks added on the 2019-04-28 14:37:05 by peturba peturba
Kevin and I won't become friends, but I have to admit that I really felt entertained this time. Also, being usually a big fan of JCO's work and creative madness, I just can't resist and thumb up this piece of fun.
rulez added on the 2019-04-28 21:24:48 by Bobic Bobic
I just published an article that describes our current demo tool and how our approach to demo making has evolved over time. If nothing else it should contextualize this release a little bit: Demo authoring: now and then
added on the 2019-04-29 13:06:08 by Paralax Paralax
that was beautiful
rulez added on the 2019-04-29 18:44:00 by TôBach TôBach
Today I played this demo at class in the University. Enuff said.
added on the 2019-04-29 23:38:28 by merry merry
Enjoyed the demo live during the compo very much, and in some way that it is what demo's are all about: to offer an enjoyable (party) experience.

A deserved winner in many ways in the demo compo, really liked the direction and story telling, and making such high quality real time comedy short movie is a great achievement in itself. And I seriously like how Kevin character has evolved throughout the years.

But, as effect lover I would really like to see what kind of "real" demo you guys can bump up with! So maybe some day Kevin will make a real demo :)
rulez added on the 2019-04-30 10:45:51 by deepr deepr
JAJAJAJA!!!!!
Feeling a bit disturbed now... :ð But I can not say that it was bad, thus upvoting :)
rulez added on the 2019-04-30 11:07:30 by raer raer
1st? duuuh...
added on the 2019-04-30 11:45:12 by comankh comankh
Great comedic timing, camera angles and everything spot on. Laughed a lot during the compo. Thumbs
rulez added on the 2019-04-30 12:52:40 by jvb jvb
Not my cup of tea. Neither it was "Hello Kevin". I find this kind of prod really awful and annoying... Which I assume is precisely the intention of it, but what can I say, I don't like awful and annoying things. Piggy it is, sorry.
added on the 2019-04-30 13:00:07 by Dali Dali
Props for pissing off people :)
rulez added on the 2019-05-02 09:40:04 by ratz ratz
When I go to Holland I like to see the Rijksmuseum,
When I go to Pouet, I put this in the lijksmuseum!
rulez added on the 2019-05-02 22:52:16 by ruairi [rc55] ruairi [rc55]
deserving winner of the invitation compo!
rulez added on the 2019-05-03 22:47:24 by fiver2^fB fiver2^fB
funny, story, but undermining the foundations
rulez added on the 2019-05-04 10:25:16 by SerzhSoft SerzhSoft
You can see a lot of work went in this, tough Kevin has been re-used again and it's not my cup of tea, but i do appreciate the amount work and skill to make such a production.
It has good story telling, direction and camera work, but as said earlier it's just not my cup of tea and that's a matter of personal taste.
added on the 2019-05-05 08:28:31 by Mr-Z Mr-Z
because selfvoting is crappy. And arguing hours is boring too ;)
sucks added on the 2019-05-10 00:09:16 by roudoudou roudoudou
roudoudou, would you trust a politician who doesn't vote for himself?
added on the 2019-05-10 00:37:45 by jco jco
roudoudou, thanks for your counterthumb though. your standpoint that arguments like "jerk off" are more valid than standing behind ones own work are more valid is noted. apparently I have much to learn! wait until I prove my aw3some amstrad skillz!
added on the 2019-05-10 00:43:27 by jco jco
This is just a pouet voting, you're still the true official winner of the Revision PC Demo compo. And of course i will be very happy to see your next productions on PC or Amstrad!
added on the 2019-05-10 11:02:50 by roudoudou roudoudou
roudoudou, hehe, feeling a bit tempted ;) but I guess next on the list is winning the amiga demo compo... it's just mod playroutine plus streaming triangle fill lists, right?
added on the 2019-05-10 11:18:37 by jco jco
the kaiser looked funnier in 2d :(
added on the 2019-05-10 12:30:04 by nagz nagz
Should not have won, at least.
sucks added on the 2019-05-10 23:54:16 by ccr ccr
nagz: too bad, after blockbuster put in hundreds of hours worth of work and many sceners not getting that it was 3d we might have to show it off some more ;)
added on the 2019-05-12 14:35:19 by Paralax Paralax
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nagz: too bad, after blockbuster put in hundreds of hours worth of work and many sceners not getting that it was 3d we might have to show it off some more ;)


don't get me wrong, i see the 3d kaiser is meticulously made and obviously tons of work are put into making it.. it's just that his comedic value - at least for me - was stronger when looking like a cardboard cutout :)
added on the 2019-05-12 15:01:13 by nagz nagz
the close up shots of the 3D kaiser are fucking terrifying and disturbing...
added on the 2019-05-12 15:20:08 by noby noby
nagz: yeah I don't think this was ever maximized for comedic value. We discussed having some kind of ren & stimpy / sponge bob close-up scene and ended up with this z-brush orgy that cost us more man hours than all the rest of the 3d combined. To me this is at least kind of funny on a meta level considering it makes up less than ten seconds of the demo ;)

noby: that's cool then because it worked! :D
added on the 2019-05-13 23:31:30 by Paralax Paralax
kinda like casting a-list celebrities to you movie to kill them off in the first 4 minutes in a freak accident :D
added on the 2019-05-14 09:53:26 by nagz nagz
*your, even
added on the 2019-05-14 09:53:44 by nagz nagz
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kinda like casting a-list celebrities to you movie to kill them off in the first 4 minutes in a freak accident :D


That happened a lot in shitty 70s grind house movies cause when wanted a big name on the poster but couldn't afford the a-lister for more than one shooting day. In the worst case the scenes with the a-lister were shot independently and cut together to look like they interacted with the rest of the cast. Planet Terror homages this with Bruce Willis.
added on the 2019-05-14 12:41:04 by okkie okkie
bleh, first when is 'they'. This was dumb movie facts with okkie.
added on the 2019-05-14 12:42:07 by okkie okkie
I was 101% sober at the party and enjoyed this demo 1010% during the compo, one might ofc say that two days in a row party coding matches being extremely drunk, but still sober! This comeback of Kevin demo really made me laugh and contained super sophisticated scene humor, a well deserved winner in many ways

The more technical effect driven demos, like ours, could have competed with this one at Revision - but the lack of direction and design in most hi-tech demos sucked that out from the scope of possible end results.
added on the 2019-05-16 13:18:51 by deepr deepr
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but I guess next on the list is winning the amiga demo compo... it's just mod playroutine plus streaming triangle fill lists, right?


sort of ^_^
added on the 2019-05-17 14:00:21 by roudoudou roudoudou
Fun production
rulez added on the 2019-05-18 13:19:07 by Queen_Luna Queen_Luna
It was funny and entertaining. But it needs a separate category, like the lamer demos had at Hungary in 1990s.
rulez added on the 2019-05-22 22:12:18 by TomCatAbaddon TomCatAbaddon
Because.
rulez added on the 2019-06-04 20:31:13 by EvilOne EvilOne
Well done, Kevin.
rulez added on the 2019-06-12 12:04:51 by Mibri Mibri
Noooooooooooooooo!
sucks added on the 2019-06-27 22:24:37 by Daniel Daniel
Funny
rulez added on the 2019-06-28 01:32:52 by baah baah
fun fact: there's a hidden QR code in the demo and it works
added on the 2019-07-07 19:56:44 by Paralax Paralax
heh :)
rulez added on the 2019-07-07 20:36:30 by natalia natalia
Mostly harmless.
added on the 2019-07-07 21:13:29 by novel novel
Lamers suck Kevin.
rulez added on the 2019-09-07 12:44:36 by Xyl2k Xyl2k
Incredible well made.
rulez added on the 2019-09-08 14:25:32 by neoneye neoneye
Perfectly sums up the party spirit :D
rulez added on the 2019-09-12 00:27:45 by T$ T$

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