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Eisenerz by LJ & Virgill [web]
screenshot added by LJ on 2019-08-18 12:57:17
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release date : august 2019
release party : Evoke 2019
compo : pc 4k
ranked : 5th
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  • is ok 5
  • sucks 0
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added on the 2019-08-18 12:57:17 by LJ LJ

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actually runs very good on my 1060, thats a rarity for a LJ prod ;P
it looks and sounds great, somehow i have to think of mount blackrock while watching it (wow spoiled).
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 13:11:14 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
The hell... I like it!
A lot of stuff and great music.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 13:28:09 by ham ham
insane
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 13:34:38 by pixtur pixtur
Ihr seid total verrückt!
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 13:37:48 by gaspode gaspode
geil
rulezcdc added on the 2019-08-18 13:42:12 by metalvoidzz metalvoidzz
Very nice 4k
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 13:45:31 by Queen_Luna Queen_Luna
5th place?! WTF.
added on the 2019-08-18 14:23:25 by gaspode gaspode
another amazatronic 4k
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 14:51:24 by mop mop
I get a constant irritating flicker (RX580), is that intentional?

Otherwise this is pure class even though it builds up to a third act it doesn't have.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 15:00:27 by Gargaj Gargaj
Geil
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 15:05:36 by Sir Sir
5th place? WTF? Namevoting very much. :/
This one was clearly the best entry, both from an artistic as well as from a technical side.
On the big screen this totally flashed me. You could almost feel the heat
added on the 2019-08-18 15:37:18 by v3nom v3nom
Thumb up of course
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 15:37:40 by v3nom v3nom
5th? really? wow the higher placed ones must be out of this world! (checking) errr... wtf
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 16:23:52 by reptile reptile
HOW IT COULD BE 5TH, definitely my most fave one throughout the compo
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 16:38:38 by FMS_Cat FMS_Cat
i quite like the Makaham vibe! should've won obviously, it has much more coherent artistic and technical value than the entire top 4 placing above this.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 16:39:09 by Maali Maali
Wait wut? 5th place? That is just unfair: this was the clear winner.
Also what Maali says.
The screenshoit scene could have worked in a regular demo as well. Very nice camera-angles and atmosphere. Fitting music.
rulezcdc added on the 2019-08-18 18:03:08 by numtek numtek
I do not agree with the voting results. Keep up the good work.
Great everything (let me ignore the glitches for a moment).
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 18:17:22 by las las
What las said.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 18:34:12 by merry merry
Weird results. Pretty good prod. Congrats!
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 18:35:20 by imerso imerso
Impressive scene and synth work.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 19:18:19 by phoenix phoenix
great atmosphere, feels like a wolfenstein game or something
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 20:11:22 by pandur pandur
This one blew me away. Solid in every respect.
That this one didn't come in the top 3 is just mind blowing to me.
I don't know what happened with the voting but it is just so off somehow.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 20:22:45 by andr0 andr0
What was the legality issue / demoscene police thing?
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 20:35:03 by Steel Steel
Ripped music in a 4k?
added on the 2019-08-18 20:35:51 by Steel Steel
LJ is a good computer programmer.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 20:56:38 by slider slider
Should have won the compo for sure
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 21:05:48 by slerpy slerpy
wicked
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 21:09:45 by Ramon B5 Ramon B5
excellent intro, definitely deserved a higher ranking.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 21:27:06 by dipswitch dipswitch
How is it possible this ends up 5th? Danke Merkel.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 22:11:05 by Dascon Dascon
Well this was by far the best entry. Did livevoting glitch up at the end of the compo? weird, weird.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 22:16:36 by Harekiet Harekiet
what
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 22:23:46 by provod provod
ÜBER-Intro! True winner for a sofascener like me!
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 22:29:49 by Bobic Bobic
You got robbed, should have won.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 23:03:25 by okkie okkie
This should have ended in the Top 3.
added on the 2019-08-18 23:14:57 by ham ham
It was probably so mind-blowing that people forgot to vote. I see no other explanation :D
Excellent work!
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 23:46:51 by alkama alkama
5th? why?
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 01:09:00 by estrayk estrayk
thought this would win
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 05:59:13 by psenough psenough
All of that packed into a 4k.. Jesus, how did this not win by a landslide on technical prowess alone?? Impressive audio too.
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 07:17:52 by Alopex Alopex
great staf, great stuff
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 07:37:13 by roudoudou roudoudou
Awesome prod, should have ranked much higher!
You could almost see Gimly moving around in the soaring heat of Moria! :)
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 08:08:17 by izard izard
epic. 1st.
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 09:04:50 by HellMood HellMood
Very cool sound design (that alone deserves a thumb up), and you might see how much effort is put into visuals.
Still, I couldn't watch it for more than 10 sec. Sorry, it's just SUPER boring. It shows you 4k stuff you've seen so many times and I suspect it's just a super long buildup, so this is what i gotta do: i'll go to twitch and ffwd it some minutes further to see how it will end.
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 10:11:14 by ton ton
As said in the Evoke live interview....those two guys know how to deliver awesome stuff!
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 14:42:18 by chromag chromag
(The glitchy flicker seems to be AMD only.)
added on the 2019-08-19 17:07:23 by Gargaj Gargaj
My personal favourite from the whole Evoke, really a lot of content, and proper execution in this one. Of course I'd love to see this as a podium finish, but there's always the next party.
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 17:16:09 by teo teo
der gott, der eisen wachsen ließ
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 20:04:30 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
Great visuals and atmosphere.
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 20:38:55 by Dma-Sc Dma-Sc
Something must have been really wrong with voting (honestly, check your system that it didn't have been hacked ;-)). This is incredibly good. Should have won.
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 20:57:46 by neoman neoman
No huh huh.
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 20:58:57 by Trilkk Trilkk
How Eisenerz looks and (probably) sounds like, in 4k. These Virgill & LJ prods are always such a treat.
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 21:43:39 by fiveofive fiveofive
Breathtaking, as expected from these two
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 22:29:51 by Soundy Soundy
wow
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 22:42:13 by nosfe nosfe
hammer :)
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 23:04:50 by seppjo seppjo
Cool geometry and an atmospheric tune with depth.
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 00:04:46 by Zplex Zplex
Best in the competition. Lamoria In 3D.
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 11:08:41 by nytrik nytrik
Looks and sounds absolutely fantastic. The sudden camera rotations feel a bit out of place though and ultimately it feels slightly pointless, but wow...
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 11:53:26 by Preacher Preacher
yes!
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 12:23:30 by Serpent Serpent
Nice
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 13:34:07 by BiTL BiTL
style!
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 14:02:34 by nagz nagz
Cool! I mean, hot!
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 17:19:43 by jimmi jimmi
Awesome! Excellent visuals and great music. 5th place is ridiculous!
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 18:31:35 by StingRay StingRay
meh
no offense to slerpy's prod which is absolutely great as well, this should win. Mind fuck experience to watch it.
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 21:04:31 by hollowone hollowone
One of my favourites from all of evoke <3
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 21:56:59 by mog mog
Class
rulez added on the 2019-08-21 06:19:42 by Leander Leander
My favourite from the compo. Really solid release!
rulez added on the 2019-08-21 10:28:35 by flynn_nrg flynn_nrg
Nice!
rulez added on the 2019-08-21 14:03:19 by hfr hfr
Please don't sync cams on beats. Also, the lava needs some doing, it looks rather cheap. And yet, it's quite impressive. I like the scenario as such and the music is pretty badass for 4k especially.
rulez added on the 2019-08-21 16:08:22 by tomaes tomaes
I love the beat sync on the cams, btw. ;)
added on the 2019-08-21 20:16:19 by Dascon Dascon
Adorable smoke and heat distortion and modeling is out of this world. Should definitely have ranked higher.
rulez added on the 2019-08-22 15:26:40 by r1g8 r1g8
Black magic
rulez added on the 2019-08-22 17:35:25 by Minus256 Minus256
awesome tech
rulez added on the 2019-08-22 17:42:40 by wullon wullon
Ihr seid doch bekloppt !

On a more serious note: this should’ve been the clear winner and is a serious candidate for 4k of the year, al least most underrated prod at a party...
rulez added on the 2019-08-22 20:06:57 by Triace Triace
Gentlemen, you are nuts.
rulez added on the 2019-08-22 22:24:33 by decca decca
what chromag said ;D
rulez added on the 2019-08-22 23:45:58 by ozan ozan
best "should have won" 2019
rulez added on the 2019-08-23 00:25:56 by micksam7 micksam7
the top 4 were amazing too, but this is totally on its own level
rulez added on the 2019-08-23 07:10:25 by ltipl ltipl
Glück auf!
rulez added on the 2019-08-23 09:47:01 by d0DgE d0DgE
epic and underrated, also totally smooth on my potato box :)
rulez added on the 2019-08-23 18:42:23 by wbc\\bz7 wbc\\bz7
Baracklekvár!
rulez added on the 2019-08-23 19:14:18 by slyspy slyspy
OK.
added on the 2019-08-24 00:13:51 by AntDude AntDude
fett.
rulez added on the 2019-08-25 14:25:53 by darya darya
Really impressive distance field, and artifact galore. The latter for better and worse, reminiscent of the Calodox *ikum intros that I so love, but doesn't come as close to wrapping me into something as ominous as those worlds. Similarly, funnily enough, the music due to the crude (though still impressive) physical modeling creates a similar aura, albeit the harmony is more grounded to our own realm.

Like a lot of LJ's intros, this cropping only goes so far for me. It's the same basic method employed in most notably Maintenance, Faraday Future and Korolev, which I'd describe as "the calm before the storm". The problem—as I see it anyway—is trying to realize a too elaborate concept in the category. I wouldn't even say it cannot be done, but I feel like at least all of the aforementioned intros along with Eisenerz suffer fatally from ending on a disappointing cliffhanger. There's a dissonance created by the huge buildup that essentially constitutes the entire intro itself, and ending it all on a dramatic final shot of a central visual piece (a MacGuffin, essentially) that is never resolved, but instead just faded away. I think the intention is to build mystery, but the formula has become predictable and doesn't work on me anymore.

I have a feeling this might be due your approach to making 4k intros. As I understand your approach still is to first create the intro "proper", and then cut things away from it until you reach the intended size? I always avoided this method, instead preferring to start from a clean slate and building things on top of what I have already, carefully keeping an eye on the current output size. Both approaches are valid, but I think they also inherently lead to different kinds of intros being made, and I think the syndrome of that manifests as non-thought out endings is very apparent in the "remove all excess afterwards" approach. I think the results in Maintenance and Faraday Future succeeded much better, perhaps Unmaintained did as well.

This is a beautiful marvel of a narrow technical niche, with serious flaws manifesting as both visual artifacts and in the narrative arch. My enjoyment with this formula only goes so far.
added on the 2019-08-25 15:05:32 by noby noby
Wow!
rulez added on the 2019-08-25 20:38:45 by Frequent Frequent
Wow, the amount of stuff in it is incredible. I'd have personally put less of it and invest more in lighting and/or in a story resolution (I'm in the "too long buildup and no reward at the end" team).

But it's still a super impressive prod, should have been on the top 3 for sure!
rulez added on the 2019-08-26 08:56:28 by iq iq
I also missed a payoff after the buildup, but I for sure know how difficult that is to pull off and I still agree it's top-3 material and probably deserving of 1st place.

By the way, I notice the heat haze effect is done in screenspace. Is that done in the same pass as the subtle blur, or is it done in another way?
rulez added on the 2019-08-26 16:52:11 by fizzer fizzer
linky
I´ve been working there for 14 years.
Glück auf!
added on the 2019-08-26 21:32:37 by Virgill Virgill
Impressive work
Feels like quite some of the geometry has been seen before in your intros, but still very impressive, and a fitting soundtrack.

Virgill: Quite some D-50 and old Roland drum computer usage for a video from 2002 (?) :D
rulez added on the 2019-08-26 22:10:25 by Saga Musix Saga Musix
Saga Musix. Yeah, seems so. Left the mining company 12 years ago... But i left my heart 1500 meters deep in the shaft.
added on the 2019-08-26 22:15:35 by Virgill Virgill
@fizzer: yes same pass as the blur, in the first(main) pass I'm writing an additional "heat" value(based on the distance to the lava) to the alpha channel which is then used to modulate the strength of the lookup-displacement in the second(post/present) pass.

@noby: while some of your assumptions do not apply for this intro I do appreciate this honest opinion piece of yours.

@saga: guaranteed 0% recycling here

@all: thanks for the support
added on the 2019-08-26 22:49:26 by LJ LJ
this entry must win, evoke always surprise us with the voting
rulez added on the 2019-08-26 23:11:25 by keen keen
...auf Kohle und Stahl gebaut :-) Die gute Ibbenbürener Anthrazitkohle :-)
rulez added on the 2019-08-26 23:29:06 by Kuemmel Kuemmel
The coffin surprised me! Really nice.
rulez added on the 2019-08-26 23:32:49 by cce cce
LJ: fair enough, sorry for some bad assumptions, just trying to conjecture why this didn't work for me as well =)
added on the 2019-08-27 00:37:05 by noby noby
I thought I was watching preview of a new doom level. Mindblowing natural instruments and rendering!
rulez added on the 2019-08-27 14:18:04 by rloaderro rloaderro
\m/
rulez added on the 2019-08-27 21:23:01 by gentleman gentleman
Eisenerztic grobe intro!
rulez added on the 2019-08-27 23:20:57 by magic magic
Great!
rulez added on the 2019-08-28 07:09:05 by Mystra Mystra
Great stuff on Youtube, but crash on start on my Win 7 Ultimate 64 + 660 GTX driver 431.60.
rulez added on the 2019-08-28 19:29:48 by ramon ramon
very impressive
rulez added on the 2019-08-30 02:41:13 by frog frog
Een leuke ervaring. Great!
rulez added on the 2019-08-31 03:46:18 by gorgon gorgon
this is very good stuff
rulez added on the 2019-08-31 22:46:26 by randomi randomi
Awesome production and clear should-have-winner. LJ should consider renaming himself to Dante if he continues to make this type of stuff with Virgil.
rulez added on the 2019-09-01 13:23:01 by novel novel
Soo much honey poured into 4k! <3
rulez added on the 2019-09-02 13:07:51 by jammer jammer
very very good!
rulez added on the 2019-09-02 14:49:21 by ferris ferris
wow. awesome.
rulez added on the 2019-09-02 15:41:41 by e64 e64
Nice style!
rulez added on the 2019-09-03 01:49:07 by baah baah
So cool :)
rulez added on the 2019-09-03 01:56:16 by PauloFalcao PauloFalcao
I dived into it. Great stuff.
rulez added on the 2019-09-03 09:31:27 by toms toms
Very good for a 4K - so much stuff packed into it
rulez added on the 2019-09-08 13:46:43 by iverjo iverjo
Very great
rulez added on the 2019-09-10 01:11:08 by Chainsaw Chainsaw
So little disk space, so much atmosphere!
rulez added on the 2019-09-10 23:58:23 by exocet exocet
Awesome :)
rulez added on the 2019-09-13 21:36:51 by SaphirJD SaphirJD

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