category: music [glöplog]
1: Sound quality => it's so large.

What's the most important is the neutrality of the headphones, if you're making music.

A friend of mine has a seinheiser HD25 I-II and it's great... for listening, hifi purposes. I tried AKG, they are flattering on bass frequencies but have a drop on high freqs and since I have this Beyerdynamics, I feel like in heaven because it's almost neutral... and very comfortable (which is indeed an important point)
added on the 2012-02-27 13:58:41 by knl knl
Sound quality should ofcourse be precision. If you have an elaborate pre-output EQ, you could somewhat compensate for poor precision but in my world it's completely insane not to make sure your headphones are as precise as possible.

And I'm totally with kaneel on the Beyerdynamics. Got those as well. They're very precise, very comfortable, sturdy built and is reasonably priced.
added on the 2012-02-28 08:55:02 by Punqtured Punqtured
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you haven't heard sound until you've head it through these
added on the 2012-02-28 09:05:11 by button button
Punqtured: as the father of a lovely 7 months girl and an inhabitant of Paris, I can't make music anylonger using my monitors and well, I've been a harsh hater on the topic of mixing on headphones but since I got my beyerdynamics, it's almost like I glow in the dark.
added on the 2012-02-28 09:49:48 by knl knl
Koss Porta Pro FTW :) perhaps i'll try some AKGs in the near future, but since quite some time KPP are all i need. they need some equalizing or proper source though to really show what they're capable of.
added on the 2012-02-28 10:30:07 by unic0rn unic0rn
Lemme guess, you pump the bass freqs because ITS ALL THAT MATTER.
added on the 2012-02-28 11:15:01 by knl knl
... and then everyone covers their ears during compos to prevent hearingloss from the redicously highpitched compo-entry ;-)

I'd go for the other way around. Create your entries with bass turned all the way down, and watch as the two front rows shit their pants (if they're not off) spontanously at the first basskick! :-D
added on the 2012-02-28 12:07:23 by Punqtured Punqtured
knl: It is pumping bass, ALL THAT MATTER.
added on the 2012-02-28 12:09:45 by Rebb Rebb
Yep, the frequency range of poor minded and not well educated person, really ;)

There is a well-kept secret. It says something that high frequencies matter even more. While people keep on pumping bass frequencies, some other work like ninja and they bump some high frequencies.
added on the 2012-02-28 12:46:37 by knl knl
knl: actually, this works pretty well for KPP, at least on CMI9739A (yeah, old board):

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added on the 2012-02-28 12:53:37 by unic0rn unic0rn
dunno man, I never tweak master EQ on other's music. It's like I would buy a painting and start painting over it. (best analogy ever?)
added on the 2012-02-28 13:09:02 by knl knl
every headphone sounds different and every human ear hears different. you would have to listen to other's music on their headphones, with their ears, to hear exactly like they were. that's impossible and that's what equalizers are for. to adjust the way the audio equipment sounds, to your ear. the fact that some people prefer more bass or the other way around, is entirely different story. i've spoken with people that are working with audio, had headphones like grado GS1000, sennheiser HD800 and akg K701, and according to them, not using equalizers at all 'because it's not what audiophile would do', is simply silly.
added on the 2012-02-28 13:52:30 by unic0rn unic0rn
I disagree. You should always leave equalizing to the listener. That's the only way to achieve a "personalized" experience. If you pre-equalize your songs, you apply your own preferences to others. Leave you mix as "clean" as possible at all times!

You wouldn't want to eat at a restaurant where the chef likes his food extremely salty, rather than at one, where the chef uses a moderate amount of salt, and each table has it's own set of salt/pepper-shakers.
added on the 2012-02-28 14:22:01 by Punqtured Punqtured
dunno man, I never tweak master EQ on other's music

Unicorn: the word here is "dunno". Because I don't know, really.
Because I don't have friends who are working with audio probably.
Most probably because I don't know.

The analogy I used contain a "I" because "I wouldn't".
Don't start embarassing your friend with questions about a silly kaneel please, I have no ideas about "audio" except my two cents of, indeed, someone who find bass frequences are the easiest choice and most of the time, people I found who were re-equalizing were doing it to PUMP, not adjusting. But it's an other story.

Indeed, adjusting could be ok I guess, if I follow you... and if you exactly know what you're doing and for that, you would need a big experience. Not saying you don't have it but I really doubt of the use of this.

But... "dunno, man".

Punqtured: your analogy has the lead I must admit. Still I don't believe people should touch it. Well, "dunno man, can't touch this"
added on the 2012-02-28 21:52:31 by knl knl
That food analogy does not make any sense. That's how you end up eating super fake bland indian food in european countries because people can't deal with the spicy food.
added on the 2012-02-28 23:02:30 by _-_-__ _-_-__
i am forced to agree with nicolas about the analogy with food.

you just have to brand things properly so people know what to expect. and i might dare state not many people expect to have to equalize something themselfs while listening. unless they have shitty speakers and enjoy pretending to be leet dj's.
added on the 2012-02-28 23:26:25 by psenough psenough
The real reason you equalize at home is that your room's got it's own EQ-ing going on and you want to negate it somehow.
added on the 2012-02-28 23:55:39 by _-_-__ _-_-__
(adjusting is, I guess, ok... the problem is that most people tend to add salt without even tasting first)
added on the 2012-02-29 00:52:14 by knl knl
I use Sennheiser PMX 100. Nice warm, clear sound and affordable:


Unfortunatly not produced anymore. But I have three of them at home, so I am prepared. ;)
added on the 2012-02-29 10:51:17 by Salinga Salinga
@button - I think they like you to give the headphones back at the end of the in-flight movie!
added on the 2012-02-29 10:54:11 by ringofyre ringofyre
...your room's got it's own EQ-ing going on...

o.O Rooms (and materials in general) resonate. They most certainly do not equalize :-D
added on the 2012-02-29 14:21:38 by Punqtured Punqtured
reference/mix/master: Beyer Dynamics DT150
pleasure/composing/mastrubating: Beyer Dynamics DT770

Punqtured, alright, I meant that they change the frequency response. I don't really use the word EQ to mean "equalizing" .. When musicians talk about EQ-ing they rarely mean that anyway.

Adding an EQ in a mixer strip is not done to make a source neutral, rather the contrary.
added on the 2012-02-29 14:55:33 by _-_-__ _-_-__
I am surprised as to why nobody has mentioned Audio Technica yet?

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I just bought a pair of these (ATH-AD700)... and I am extremely happy with them. Granted, I only had around $250USD to spend on a set, but a least I was able to spend a day doing a "blind test" with a mate, where we grabbed about about a dozen cans and tried them all. I enjoyed these a lot more than the Beyer DT440s and the Senheiser HD595s. They are also easily the most comfortable pair of cans i have EVER worn (I agree with punktured on his point about this), and whilst they look a little bigger than most pairs, I don't care because I could happily wear these all day.
added on the 2012-03-17 11:27:09 by Gaia Gaia
about EQing

im using the x-fi crystalizer and its eq with my dt-990 pro and im very happy with it
so need for extra soft or hardware on my side

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