Windows 7

category: general [glöplog]
1.4gb or RAM? Honestly? That's more than the average Fairlight demo consumes.
Vista uses ~600MB RAM after starting the first time, nor 1.4GB... anyone knows how win7 is dealing with that?
added on the 2009-02-18 10:13:57 by xTr1m xTr1m
I wonder if Windows 7 is gonna be as annoying as Vista. In Vista I couldn't rename folders and files when I wanted to - and I would bump into the problem very often - the folders which I've created a long time ago wouldn't get deleted or renamed because I "don't have sufficient rights", being logged in under the admin account. With Vista I always felt that there is someone in my computer who is trying to control my actions, sort of saying - okay, let's see if I'll permit you to do that.

Several days I've downgraded to XP after 6 months of battling Vista. And this is not a case of not getting used to Vista - I get ued to new systems very fast. Vista is just a damn bad OS.

Yeah, and XP hast the Up One Folder button, which is really a relief. In Vista it was always very difficult to navigate, ike fighting you way through thick woods.
steve ballmer said that windows 7 is just an improved version of vista. some people say that it's 'how vista should look like in the first place'. imho it's a little bit unfair, of course it's very similiar, but at the same time number of improvements (some aero tweaks, libraries (dammit, why didn't they invent those while creating xp), new taskbar, performance improvements (hey, i'm using it on 256mb of ram!) - just to name a few) is really great.

and no, it's not annoying as Vista :) in fact, it's not annoying at all.
added on the 2009-02-18 13:55:51 by unic0rn unic0rn
after being a loyal mac user for the last 8 years, my wife is switching to windows. You want to know why?

ibook g4 video connector design flaw - 4 motherboard replacements.

replacement powerbook after warranty ran out and ibook ibroke again:
only half of the usb ports work

mousepad button fail - need to wedge a card under the battery to make it work.

The vicious knife-sharp edge on the front of the powerbook. After writing a paper for grad school her tendons were visibly fucking swollen. Nice ergonomics, fuckwits.

and that's just hardware.

Having to 'reset file permissions' constantly to keep the thing operational - so common they have tutorials on how to automate it.

The ibook's inability to re-connect to the network after waking up - even after 3 $180 service packs they were never able to fix that.

added on the 2009-02-18 17:51:28 by GbND GbND
unicom: win7 isn't what vista should have been. That will be win8 or 9.. take a look at the original planned feature list for vista some time :)

gbnd: that's pretty fucked up, but sounds a lot more like bad luck than anything else. Apple's reputation for hardware reliability is very good. Dunno why you're still having to do the file permissions thing too, that stopped being necessary ages back. Are you using leopard?
added on the 2009-02-18 18:04:18 by psonice psonice
i think it is. mind, i've said vista, not longhorn ;)

and about macs, unfortunately, apple's reputation for hardware reliability is getting worse and worse since long time ago.
added on the 2009-02-18 18:23:04 by unic0rn unic0rn
psonice: uhm, no it isn't.
added on the 2009-02-18 18:33:33 by kusma kusma
according to the reliability surveys I see now and then at work it is. IBM is generally top, the cheap consumer companies are generally at the bottom, but apple is normally pretty high up.

And speaking from experience at work (we have 4000+ pcs now, and around 500 macs at a guess), we get a lot more problems with our dell + hp computers than the apple stuff. Having said that, it tends to vary a lot by model.. some dells we have last forever, while we've had one model where pretty much every one had the motherboard die. We have had a lot of mac laptops die with motherboard faults though, not sure if it's the ibooks or macbooks, but it's the white plastic ones.
added on the 2009-02-18 18:57:33 by psonice psonice
Windows 7-1 question: if I wanted a dual-boot to Vista (*shudder*) - should I choose the 64bit or 32bit version? (it's just for demos, nothing else)
added on the 2009-02-18 19:06:01 by gloom gloom
after being a loyal mac user for the last 8 years, my wife is switching to windows. You want to know why?

ibook g4 video connector design flaw - 4 motherboard replacements.

Sooo.. her solution to having a faulty 5 year old machine is to buy a completely different brand, and switch OS as well..? Whatever happened to upgrading?
added on the 2009-02-18 19:09:22 by gloom gloom
gloom: can't talk about Windows 7, but I use Vista 64 and have had no problems whatsoever with demos (or about any other thing, for the matter).

However, there's (at least today) no reason to install a 64 bit OS if you have less than 4gb of RAM... and even if you do, if it's just to watch demos... you will probably want to install the minimum necessary (and Vista 64 is a bit larger than x86)... I can safely assume that Windws 7 will be about the same.
added on the 2009-02-18 19:32:13 by Jcl Jcl
(we have 4000+ pcs now, and around 500 macs at a guess), we get a lot more problems with our dell + hp computers than the apple stuff.

Around 8 times as many problems?
added on the 2009-02-18 19:33:38 by doomdoom doomdoom
hahahaha :D
added on the 2009-02-18 19:47:55 by unic0rn unic0rn
Jcl: what about drivers and general compatibility?
added on the 2009-02-18 20:13:13 by gloom gloom
doom :D
added on the 2009-02-18 20:13:15 by xTr1m xTr1m
doom: nah, but at least 2x more ;)

But seriously, we probably do have 2x more pc technicians per box than mac technicians.. infact we only have one mac guy. Admittedly he works a lot harder than most of the pc techies, and is a lot more knowledgable, but still I'm certain the macs cause less work (that's 90% of the reason i shifted over to mac, i'm more productive).

Btw, on the 32/64bit thing - i guess most people here will know this already, but if you have 4gb, 32bit windows will only see ~3.3gb of it (i think it varies a bit depending on chipset). So you'll lose ~15% of your ram without a 64bit version.
added on the 2009-02-18 21:41:47 by psonice psonice
psonice: My new machine has 6 GB RAM, and a GeForce 280, so I really want to be able to tap into that with 64bit and DX10, but.. gah.. I really, really, REALLY don't like Vista.. and I'm guessing Windows 7 is to beta to be very stable with drivers and the software I use it for (demos, ACID).
added on the 2009-02-18 22:53:27 by gloom gloom
gloom: windows 7 is actually as stable as if it would be RC, not beta.
added on the 2009-02-18 23:29:16 by unic0rn unic0rn
The bad thing is those beta and RCs are always expiring at a certain date. Real Windows 7 release data is somewhere in December I think...
added on the 2009-02-18 23:33:50 by raer raer
Also, another important thing to keep in mind is that the Windows 7 Beta will expire on August 1st, 2009.

That expire date can probably be removed by som nifty hacker patch anyway, I guess, but the big question is: do I really want to use beta/RC-software on a regular basis? I dunno, this is hard. I guess I'll end up installing XP again. :)
added on the 2009-02-18 23:40:12 by gloom gloom
i'm using it all the time currently, and it works better than xp, so i guess it's the matter of preference :)
added on the 2009-02-19 00:13:30 by unic0rn unic0rn
gloom: unless you use really weird hardware... I have found absolutely zero problems with drivers (this is moderately new hardware though, so I wouldn't know).
added on the 2009-02-19 05:56:49 by Jcl Jcl
I'm always intrigued when people define their Vista experience as "working better" - could you go into more detail? What exactly is it that works better? Fewer crashes? Because I can live with having to reboot a few times a year (XP) since _all_ Windows software and drivers on the planet (well, roughly) works with it.. but either way I need to have a partition with Vista, since there are likely some DX10 demo experiments in the future here.

I read that Vista 64bit emulates or wraps 32bit programs - any experiences with that?
added on the 2009-02-19 07:08:07 by gloom gloom
Jcl: I just checked a few essentials (M-Audio PCI drivers & Acid Pro 7 compatibility) and that's apparently no problem, so that's good.
added on the 2009-02-19 07:09:27 by gloom gloom