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Jogeir Liljedahl's Wanderer and other pro albums - commercial or not?

category: music [glöplog]
 
This is (I assume) the non-Demoscene album that features professional-grade versions of his songs, such as Beetlemix '99, Bright Ventures, Latenite and Stranded - I think one or two of those are actually part of a second album of his, someone confirm?

I've classed these as Commercial rather than Demoscene, as I assume they're ordinary music albums? I can't seem to get a straight answer anywhere.

On a side note: How do you pronounce his name correctly?
added on the 2013-10-17 19:19:59 by Foebane72 Foebane72
Depends on your definition of "commercial" really. You can certainly purchase the CD.
added on the 2013-10-17 19:22:03 by Gargaj Gargaj
So demoscene products can't be commercial? That would be new to me... Just consider the target audience of most scener's personal CD releases, and most of the time demosceners and people that are close to the scene are the target audience - especially given that most of these CDs can only be purchased at a few CD online shops e.g. run by (ex) sceners.
I'm only really asking because I figured that artists like Jogeir would want royalties for their work, but I came across this:

http://www.tunesociety.com/song/9658/beetlemix

saying that Beetlemix was royalty-free. What's that all about, then?
added on the 2013-10-17 20:23:23 by Foebane72 Foebane72
I guess he uploaded his music himself to both places?
added on the 2013-10-17 20:34:48 by Gargaj Gargaj
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I guess he uploaded his music himself to both places?


I guess it's his choice.

As for the term "commercial", it IS rather vague, but then I don't know what else to call pop, rock, techno, house, indie, etc, etc when they're sold as CDs or MP3 downloads for money.

But then again, classical music is sold the same way, yet I put that under it's own category.
added on the 2013-10-17 20:50:28 by Foebane72 Foebane72
Putting your music up on a royalty-free stock music site still counts as a way of making money from it. From the Tunesociety FAQ:
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A royalty-free license gives the purchaser unlimited usage of the song, world-wide (no geographic boundaries) for an unlimited amount of time (in perpetuity). It DOES NOT give the purchaser any ownership of the song, and it DOES NOT give the purchaser the right to re-sell the song or transfer the royalty-free license to any other person or entities.


It's kind of meaningless to say that a piece of music is or isn't commercial - all you can say is that is or isn't being exploited commercially right now. Even if it's appeared in a demo, been uploaded it to scene.org, or been released under a Creative Commons licence, the musician still owns the copyright on it and is free to exploit it commercially at any time, if they choose to.

Obviously, if your music is already legally floating around the internet for free, then that might affect your ability to make money by selling it. (Or it might not, if enough people really want to own it on a shiny silver disc.) One thing you can't do is revoke a licence (such as Creative Commons) that you've previously granted. Some people have in the past tried to get their music taken down from scene.org once they've decided to go commercial... but since very few demoscene productions are released under a formal licence, it's hard to say whether they're actually breaking a licence agreement by demanding that, or just being a massive jerk.
added on the 2013-10-17 20:56:50 by gasman gasman
I see, gasman.
added on the 2013-10-17 21:13:18 by Foebane72 Foebane72
Doesn't even have to be a disc ... there's a lot of songs that have made their way to scener's bandcamp pages even though they're available elsewhere, allowing you to buy them.

I agree with gasman here; it is quite hard to classify such things. Most of scene artists are not as rigidly defined as other more "traditional"(?) artists that partner with a traditional [large] distributor/publisher/record company.

Beyond artist/album, I only classify my stuff as "things I probably/do want on my portable media player" and "desktop only". If I bought it as an album off of Bandcamp, got it from Kahvi, or it came on a CD, it's likely to go in the former. If it's a loose MOD/XM/scene-mp3 file it's probably going in the latter. And it's not that I like the latter any less, I am at my desktop a lot after all.
I have just the one MP3 collection, both on portable players and on my PC via WinAmp.
added on the 2013-10-17 21:37:30 by Foebane72 Foebane72
I thought "commercial" referred rather to a lack of authenticity of a production than if the product was available for free or for $$$rs

Like producing music for people who don't listen to music. If you know what I mean?
added on the 2013-10-18 10:59:49 by dubmood dubmood
As a side note: what the hell does it matter?
added on the 2013-10-18 11:50:20 by gloom gloom
cos mister Foebane is a classification expert, see the tagging thread earlier!
added on the 2013-10-18 13:57:03 by Maali Maali
http://translate.google.com/#no/en/Jogeir%20Liljedahl and click on the speaker button in the left box. Is it accurate? any Norwegians around? :)
added on the 2013-10-18 14:11:53 by bartman bartman
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http://translate.google.com/#no/en/Jogeir%20Liljedahl and click on the speaker button in the left box. Is it accurate? any Norwegians around? :)


I've always pronounced it phonetically, as it appears.
added on the 2013-10-18 19:50:44 by Foebane72 Foebane72
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As a side note: what the hell does it matter?
added on the 2013-10-19 10:02:15 by Radiant Radiant
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cos mister Foebane is a classification expert, see the tagging thread earlier!
added on the 2013-10-19 10:08:32 by Tomoya Tomoya
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As a side note: what the hell does it matter?


Exactly. Was about to say, though I was gonna do it in my trademark shut the fuck up losers way.
added on the 2013-10-19 10:14:44 by superplek superplek
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cos mister Foebane is a classification expert, see the tagging thread earlier!


DAMN STRAIGHT, i am!
added on the 2013-10-19 16:03:00 by Foebane72 Foebane72
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http://translate.google.com/#no/en/Jogeir%20Liljedahl and click on the speaker button in the left box. Is it accurate? any Norwegians around? :)


Liljedahl sounds fine, Jogeir has the accentuation wrong. Sounds like "she" says Jogg-ei when it should be Jo-geir, where g isn't part of the first syllable, the o is longer, and the (rolling) r is audible.

The speaker button in the right box is pretty much how I'd expect it pronounced in English. ;)
added on the 2013-10-20 11:16:05 by absence absence
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by gloom:
As a side note: what the hell does it matter?

because I think Foebane72 is after the unofficial "most threads created with a short period of time" 'award'. hehe :D

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