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release date : april 2010
release party : Breakpoint 2010
compo : pc demo
ranked : 1st
  • rulez 347
  • is ok 35
  • sucks 15
popularity : 15%
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  • rulez 0.84
  • cdcs 10
alltime top: #18
added on the 2010-04-05 17:19:46 by stijn stijn

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I have no comment, it's a true beauty
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:21:47 by noby noby
beautiful
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:21:53 by seppjo seppjo
Voitto hä?
added on the 2010-04-05 17:21:56 by leGend leGend
Freaking huge filesize. :|

But awesome concept and execution
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:23:11 by micksam7 micksam7
hyvä meininki
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:23:42 by raztaman raztaman
i was purely shocked with most of demo.
i didn't expected that from flt.
i has no words.
soundtrack, visual design and direction is over the top.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:25:08 by diver diver
Well deserved win. Original demo and original soundtrack. Thumbs up!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:25:20 by phobium phobium
This demo is pure art! Great idea, great execution!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:26:18 by gaspode gaspode
micksam7, haha, check FR's entry :)
added on the 2010-04-05 17:26:21 by diver diver
Mind

Blown
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:26:58 by the-other-pigpen the-other-pigpen
Absolutely awesome in the compo.

Crashing here...
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:28:00 by Calexico Calexico
ihan oikeaan osoitteeseen meni voitto, eri komi on :>
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:28:09 by msqrt msqrt
I came, twice.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:28:25 by knl knl
Does not work on my hardware config :( Video please!
added on the 2010-04-05 17:29:34 by steflon steflon
shiny too
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:30:59 by devreci devreci
Wow! A trip for the eyes and the ears. Amazing demo, totally loved it. More of this please. =)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:32:59 by Aasemoon Aasemoon
Mega. Just top of the tops.
This one beats even Second Reality :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:35:40 by Manwe Manwe
Technically perfect nothing to say. I am just a little bit frustrated by the lack of additive particle in this demo. Ironically it's the total opposite in another prods ( too much of glow and over saturation ) but here the overall image is not enough satured. But really it's just a little detail. Nice prod, congratulation
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:36:24 by u2 u2
breathtaking. completely unique style, perfect match between mood, visuals and music. one of my new favourites! in my mind, i had shades of Another World with the beast running through the forest. :)

ah, such a cool demo.
rulezcdcadded on the 2010-04-05 17:36:44 by button button
Great.

Smash, you little... :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:37:58 by keops keops
this is so massive that it's scary. coder pr0n, beautiful visuals and a soundtrack to match that. a worthy winner of the last bp.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:41:17 by prm prm
Awesome demo. Stunning visuals and a great soundtrack! I enjoyed every second of it.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:41:58 by CONS CONS
transcending the term "demo" i have nothing but pure love and admiration for this, will remain a classic and milestone for me personaly, very touching on many levels :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 17:45:46 by keito keito
This must reach all time top.
(and it even not went too slideshowy on my gtx260 !)
rulezcdcadded on the 2010-04-05 17:50:00 by MsK` MsK`
amazing stuff!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:00:09 by Saga Musix Saga Musix
i was hoping for such a great release from flt, thank you for this beauty!
added on the 2010-04-05 18:05:15 by elfh elfh
and here is the thumb
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:05:38 by elfh elfh
great piece
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:06:44 by eatsme eatsme
It was a first time when I had to smoke a cigarette after watching a demo. Pure shock, and pure love.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:11:55 by Vedem Vedem
just awesome
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:13:57 by podzblitz podzblitz
Amazing graphics. Artistically also immense.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:14:58 by cerror cerror
This is pure love! When I saw it at the compo I was almost sure there won't be anything better to come. fr-043 is excellent, but no way - here we got the clear winner for sure.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:16:23 by sub sub
This is not only keito's personal milestone. This is the next and new miiestone of the whole demoscene history. Nuff said.
Yes, you heard it first.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:22:05 by sq sq
Good job in the visuals with interesting music :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:32:20 by r3D^rgba r3D^rgba
I really can't thumb yet since this runs 2fps my high-end laptop. Thumb will have to wait until I've bought a better laptop(which will take a while).
added on the 2010-04-05 18:33:48 by branch branch
jawdropping killer demo. destop, you still have the magic touch :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:35:58 by AzzaroMWI AzzaroMWI
This is just unbelievable! I was totally stunned by this during the compo (even on crap-quality stream). Just beautiful, beautiful guys! :)
P.S. Any chance of a high quality 1080p capture of this demo? I don't have hardware to run this even remotely realtime.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:40:49 by masterm masterm
this is truly amazing, the music is (once again) outstandingly good, the style (STYLE! STYYYLE!) takes my breath away! absolutely fantastic demo! am gonna watch it over and over again today. maybe still tomorrow. congratulations!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:41:10 by orange orange
Awesome prod. Youtube Video please...
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:47:10 by h4xor h4xor
Super awesome. Really enjoyed the poly-less style.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:52:15 by elend elend
great demo, I wanna watch this again but my gpu is afraid to run this :D please upload a video
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:55:47 by pera pera
I have no words for how impressive this is.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 18:55:53 by neptun neptun
A blockbuster demo in every positive sense of the word.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 19:19:31 by stijn stijn
Slow, boring, not very good for a one effect demo... and music sux a lot
And it reached the 1st place... what a shame
sucksadded on the 2010-04-05 19:19:47 by spengler spengler
pure coder pr0n
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 19:23:26 by rudi rudi
Totally agree with spengler.
sucksadded on the 2010-04-05 19:26:15 by irwin irwin
a masterpiece with a particularly fantastic soundtrack. It keeps haunting me, and is innovative in every possible way. my major respect. a well deserved winner!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 19:30:14 by Axel Axel
Technically impressive but it does not do it for me.
added on the 2010-04-05 19:37:02 by Cj Cj
Blunderbuss + great art = definite win!!!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 19:39:34 by 71M 71M
Masterpiece of coding - but boring and jerky as hell. Winner? Poor demoscene.
sucksadded on the 2010-04-05 19:41:45 by aLpHa oNe aLpHa oNe
Unique, beautiful and atmospheric. I couldn't take my eyes off the screen the whole time it was playing.

I really loved the music, but it did sound a bit cut and paste at times.

Overall, a quality demo and a worthy winner and this concept has incredible potential with advances in technology.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 19:41:54 by Wade Wade
The beauty <3. It almost breaks my heart. It's technically stunning as well. And the MUSIC. The goddamn MUSIC. I am at a loss for words here. A thumb is not enough. This might be among the best 3 demos I've seen in recent years. I like this new Fairlight (vs CNCD :)).
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 19:43:33 by elfan elfan
the ones who thumb down this are motherfucking giraffes
added on the 2010-04-05 19:50:41 by sq sq
crappy slow shit :)
sucksadded on the 2010-04-05 19:50:45 by Hexogen Hexogen
sq: fucking agreed...
added on the 2010-04-05 19:52:16 by noby noby
eat my cdc :) i love this demo.
added on the 2010-04-05 19:53:11 by diver diver
Please please please someone make a kkapture of this post-haste!!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 19:55:54 by Movi Movi
love it!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 19:55:58 by jazz jazz
Very good stuff. The only thing that left me with a slight feeling of "meh" was the music and the animations.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 20:06:05 by gloom gloom
Pure awesomeness!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 20:19:23 by Pegan Pegan
This is sooo beautiful... just breathtaking. Finally a Fairlight production in which everything comes together perfectly. Worthy winner.

The bar just went up quite a big step even further out of reach.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 20:20:29 by pixtur pixtur
there's no point in making demos anymore!!! [lousy pun, i know] excellent stuff here
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 20:24:51 by Maali Maali
yes.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 20:33:54 by ryg ryg
anybody kkapturing? please...?

(and thumb up for what I could see thru the stream already)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 20:37:08 by iq iq
video pls
awesome!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 21:00:21 by giZMo^fr giZMo^fr
rulez!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 21:04:39 by Zafio Zafio
Marvelous.My favorite demo on Breakpoint.It`s Killer 2/CNCD for me ;)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 21:08:01 by Rork Rork
simply stunning!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 21:11:41 by pommak pommak
Coder pr0n!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 21:13:09 by Cosmocat Cosmocat

Yes, this one RULEZ !

rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 21:20:00 by BiTbUsTeR BiTbUsTeR
seen on big bp screen.. very, very great work.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 21:20:19 by .reEto .reEto
Particles.... slow for my GF 9600, 2fps. Not demoscene, but demo - sponsor of hardware's vendor.

Demo should show an incredible visuals on the medium-statistical hardware, but skip a million points on the latest video card.

Вобщем, Файрлайт, такой файрлайт
sucksadded on the 2010-04-05 21:23:30 by BiTL BiTL
a demo should be always cutting edge and THIS IS for sure raising the bar on all levels.
added on the 2010-04-05 21:26:34 by jazz jazz
Ok, watching this on the stream was absolutely stunning...still searching for that jaw I dropped!

It's on a whole new level...unfortunately, that's also true for the hardware requirements ;-)
Until I get my Cray II from amazon I'll hope for a good video of this one.

Seriously: an excellent production, great music, great atmosphere, fabulous design. Congratulations!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 21:27:14 by Stebo Stebo
Well, while its not the style of demo i love, it was quite nice to watch and it was a worthy winner for sure :) But the Soundtrack is awesome.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 21:36:51 by SaphirJD SaphirJD
It's not a bad demo but I really can't understand why this demo won. The music makes it quite boring.
added on the 2010-04-05 21:42:51 by ltk_tscc ltk_tscc
pr0n? future of 3d graphics? both? Fairlight, I hate you all!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 21:55:41 by ref ref
particle hueta :(
sucksadded on the 2010-04-05 21:55:49 by Silent Silent
Lovely!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:03:56 by hoplite hoplite
<3
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:05:50 by kurli kurli
Superb!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:08:33 by z5 z5
This demo overheated my gtx280 and caused a bsod and I'M STILL LOVING IT!
Fuck the haters!!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:10:32 by shuffle2 shuffle2
porncoding!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:11:27 by [EviL] [EviL]
i don`t know... may be it is hard work, but it is strange
added on the 2010-04-05 22:13:11 by Petra Petra
I was hoping you would do more with this cool particle system and boy you did... :O
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:16:05 by zoom zoom
very nice!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:16:28 by superplek superplek
quite nice stuff
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:17:15 by TMB & ReeBoK TMB & ReeBoK
Amazing.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:20:07 by ISL ISL
enjoyed every second of it! great atmosphere, great music. so very fresh...
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:22:00 by peach peach
turns my gpu into a pc speaker. abit boring, but a pure piece of art.
music and visuals are way over the top
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:22:10 by relias abardon relias abardon
I love every single aspect of it. The music supports the overall mood so well, it hurts. Amazing!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:22:21 by rpfr rpfr
lovely
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:23:23 by xphere xphere
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znuUdX1E2rI
Shall be knows as the "next best thing since 2nd reality"
added on the 2010-04-05 22:45:12 by Movi Movi
i like
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:46:30 by moqui moqui
Latests nVidia drivers, win7 x64, latest dx, qx6700, 4GB of ram, 1x8800GTX, dual monitor setup, default demo config.

Humanoids part runs at about 1fps or less, the rest is at about 20-30fps.

Running with nVidia 3D vision enabled is disturbing, it puts the stuff way to much "out of the screen".

I Loved this demo, correct density for 2010 :P
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:47:09 by gasiorowski gasiorowski
totally awesome
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 22:58:35 by Sir Sir
Some demos can't be felt by everyone, this one is pushing the arty side of demos in the right direction, when emotions blow out of the abstract. Absolutely brillant, inspired graphics, sensitive code and amazing music. Fucking A.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 23:00:26 by SoundSquare SoundSquare
Amazing dreamscape - amazing tech - love the music, beautiful direction as well. Thanks!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 23:12:12 by hornet hornet
OHA :) super.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 23:23:58 by chenmy! chenmy!
HUGE
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 23:36:24 by Alpha C Alpha C
Quote:
Demo should show an incredible visuals on the medium-statistical hardware, but skip a million points on the latest video card.


And where is that law written?

In fact most/many demos show mediocre visuals on brand-new hardware, so there is no way you can thumb this one down, please. Perhaps it's a piggy what you were looking for.
added on the 2010-04-05 23:54:24 by iq iq
Rulez.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 23:54:41 by RCL RCL
Amazing, very nice.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-05 23:59:42 by Buckethead Buckethead
kkapture killed demoscene
added on the 2010-04-06 00:02:55 by ISL ISL
this is what i wanted to see done with that blunderbuss-tech
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 00:09:27 by Confused Confused
At last, everything comes together in a style I can really dig :D Pretty mind blowing visuals, and the art is really good too. I think this will grow on me.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 00:14:25 by psonice psonice
Nicest video card abuse ever!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 00:23:02 by andr00 andr00
I wished for BP 2010 to have a "milestone", something to properly celebrate its ending and honour its lineage. There it is.
Beautiful in every way.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 00:26:07 by ara ara
Tickles both the left and the right side of the brain in just the right ways. Awesome.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 00:38:29 by eetu eetu
Worthy winner... I am impressed once again by Smash and the team around him... Just keep it up this way...
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 00:54:56 by s7ing^ATZ s7ing^ATZ
Best effects of the year, but in my lap, tooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slow.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 00:56:13 by Optimus Optimus
this thing is fucking art in the purest sense of the word, i came in my pants and in my neighbour's pants. Music and visuals just fit so Well... imho this has raised the bar.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 00:56:20 by plaf plaf
looking great but have to agree that its somewhat boring on the direction
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 01:13:38 by psenough psenough
Nothing but love for this.
rulezcdcadded on the 2010-04-06 01:41:53 by okkie okkie
Pure love!
rulezcdcadded on the 2010-04-06 01:51:31 by Dano Dano
oh yes!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 02:02:04 by xyz xyz
melted my face off
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 02:58:29 by gr9yfox gr9yfox
simply awesome.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 03:02:08 by comankh comankh
right before it start Smash ran off though saying "I can't see this" ;)
added on the 2010-04-06 03:04:45 by superplek superplek
deserved to win.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 03:13:41 by nosfe nosfe
1st: this is the best pc demo at bp2010.
2nd: this is great beyond the demoscene.
3rd: what does realtime vs. youtube mean to the demoscene?

if you watch a demo, it does not matter if it is a video file or realtime, it's just a matter of resolution, compression artifacts, framerate and minimal hardware requirements.

if you CREATE a demo, realtime vs. rendering is a HUGE difference in artistic freedom.

DEMO vs. AVI is not a discussion between consumers, it is a discussion between producers.
rulezcdcadded on the 2010-04-06 03:13:52 by chaos chaos
exactly what rpfr said :
Quote:
I love every single aspect of it. The music supports the overall mood so well, it hurts. Amazing!


Thank you and congratulations.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 03:35:12 by wullon wullon
woooooooooooo
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 03:55:11 by src src
I find the soundtrack annoying and repetitive in a bad way. Other than that it's quite good.
There's something very "chariots of fire" ish in the middle part of the demo.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 04:36:14 by xernobyl xernobyl
This really breaths art! This is indeed great beyond the demoscene. What if other creative outlets 'merged' with the demoscene ?
Have a merged competition at some party! Would probably be the best compo ever :)
looking forward to 2010.2
When will the hardware be available to run this demo properly? ;-)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 06:06:02 by magic magic
I was sceptical after seeing so much praise, but damn. This really is a masterpiece in every way, from effects to colors to the soundtrack. Miles ahead of the competition.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 06:29:36 by break break
too slow, it looks like my study point on P133 !
the idea is to generate code for each kind of point with minimal operations and precalculate discrete voxels...
sucksadded on the 2010-04-06 07:03:17 by SuperLaurent SuperLaurent
Simply: a masterpiece. Fresh ideas, superbly flowing delivery, great code, superb soundtrack, inspiring.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 07:35:48 by abyss abyss
The other good part of releasing this demo is that now we know the names of poor dickheads who don't know a shit about demoscene, although they think they are.
added on the 2010-04-06 08:26:47 by sq sq
my cup of tea! (except music)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 08:46:47 by Skate Skate
Just pure awesomeness!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 08:57:03 by Endymio Endymio
Can't find this from my teacup.

CNCD rules anyway.
added on the 2010-04-06 09:09:32 by daFred daFred
Extremly beautiful, but quite boring in the long run.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 09:11:55 by evil evil
Nice visual style with fitting music.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 09:13:55 by mic mic
Very fine visuals...music is fitting but not my deal...anyway: A true winner and great production!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 09:32:12 by Raven^NCE Raven^NCE
You should see the particle effects my video card is producing, in real time!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 09:37:59 by Mtl Mtl
I must say that although there are not clear references to religion, this demo is very good
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 09:41:48 by kakkonen kakkonen
the visuals are brilliant and beautiful and very well complemented by the good soundtrack. which for sure makes this a candidate for several scene.org award nominations (again) next year ;)
rulezcdcadded on the 2010-04-06 09:53:38 by gopher gopher
wow.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 09:56:35 by NeARAZ NeARAZ
It's awesome!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 09:59:40 by remageFrs remageFrs
this heartcore, respect!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 10:14:19 by decca decca
beautiful! it was really a privilege to see that on the bigscreen, and the first place is well deserved.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 10:19:41 by teo teo
It's really too bad it was rushed for release! Better cohesion between soundtrack and visuals would have made it a killer. Not saying it's a bad demo, it's one of the best in recent years, just that it would probably benefit from a more polished sequel.
added on the 2010-04-06 10:26:24 by _-_-__ _-_-__
Fantastic!!!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 10:40:34 by Mystra Mystra
A true inspiration to us all! Keep at it mate, you know you really want to!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 11:02:37 by Devistator Devistator
awesome demo
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 11:22:32 by TMC[ROLE] TMC[ROLE]
THUMP UP!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 11:39:56 by scicco scicco
awesome. the music is very good.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 11:40:38 by marsulpi marsulpi
One of the most beautiful demos ever. Excellent music. Delivers an amazing deep, melancholic mood. This is true mature art!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 12:01:03 by sire sire
Particlicious!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 12:24:55 by Betong Betong
way better than usual :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 12:33:39 by leijaa leijaa
Incredible! ...now it's just a matter of time before we see fluids and particles in 4k and 1k and 256b and...
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 12:37:23 by maytz maytz
nice track that feet well with an amazing visual
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 12:41:30 by xoofx xoofx
amazing piece of art
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 12:54:45 by dwarf dwarf
Dotsdotsdotsdots
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 12:59:12 by Sesse Sesse
amazing : my pc is too old for running it real time. A decent video would be nice
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 12:59:45 by nytrik nytrik
I like dots. This demo has lots of dots.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 13:05:42 by doomdoom doomdoom
Hm, some parts looked like they had postprocesssing... so maybe there were 2 triangles afterall?
Anyway, great ideas and good execution.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 13:14:23 by teraflop teraflop
impressive stuff
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 13:23:20 by gg|rhg gg|rhg
Damn lovely. Great design coupled with a wonderful soundtrack.

Fucking epic.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 13:23:46 by ferris ferris
Excellent music and cool style.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 13:47:14 by Zplex Zplex
The title is an anagram of "cncd fairlight orange" - I guess the third group dropped out. May I suggest "crafting child" for CNCD/Fairlight?

Actual useful review will come later. :)
added on the 2010-04-06 14:19:37 by phoenix phoenix
how about "Right 'N Flaccid"
added on the 2010-04-06 14:22:47 by break break
True winner, visually and emotionally stunning. I agree with chaos, this is great beyond demoscene.
Thank you guys.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 14:28:05 by zafos zafos
What people said <3
rulezcdcadded on the 2010-04-06 14:33:25 by XT95 XT95
Thank you for made this great demo!

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rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 14:34:21 by ham ham
I'm glad Fairlight didn't rush this production, because it feels complete and utterly ground-breaking.

Although the excitement with just-finishing-it-in-time can be exhilarating, this transcends from the realms of the high quality demo into a truly timeless production.

Many congratulations to Smash and Co, the bar has once again been raised.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 14:44:33 by ruairi [rc55] ruairi [rc55]
*Fairlight & CNCD
Speechless, other than that: what elfan said
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 14:59:19 by Hopper/SquoQuo Hopper/SquoQuo
Amazing in every way.
Blew my mind @ BP, thank you. :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 16:14:51 by izard izard
Amazing
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 16:23:02 by Tolle Tolle
Really liked the fact Fairlight gave a strong entry for he last Breakpoint - excellent demo, and very impressive :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 16:37:02 by Zonbie Zonbie
floats my boat!!1
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 16:39:08 by madMixx madMixx
What most people said PLUS I love the way the larger circles give it a sort of bokeh-like feeling and depth.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 17:09:41 by Blockbuster Blockbuster
so beautiful <3
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 17:18:49 by napsa napsa
awesome
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 17:45:53 by blackpawn blackpawn
unbelievable, belief in demoscene somewhat restored.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 17:49:02 by imbusy imbusy
1. Thats true demo - something that makes me think - a PC can do that? Wow.
2. Its very artistic, even my wife loves it.
3. Different from other demos, not just better but a whole different direction.

I take back everything I ever said about the only true demoscene being size coding. This demo is absolutely brilliant - so good it defines demoscene. What a way to complete 10 years of breakpoint. Congratulations.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 17:56:45 by auld auld
O_O holy liquid sh...
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 18:11:19 by doc^21o6 doc^21o6
Fawesome!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 18:29:44 by eebliss eebliss
Particular, but nice.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 18:41:32 by baah baah
This is the best demo ever. It's very interesting to see that Fairlight can actually go beyond the same old routine of "part, part, part, part, boom… the end". This is full of emotions, full of blooming feelings. It hit me right on my sweet spot; and for good.

I am totally impressed Smash. Not to mention the one thing you said at Breakpoint (be brave!) is one of the biggest boosters of my performance right now. I totally owe you a lot. I mean it :).
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 18:48:00 by decipher decipher
Awesome
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 18:58:19 by Lord Graga Lord Graga
Thumb up for the technical achievement, but I really did not like it, found it very boring. (My gf and I both prefer "Wir Sind Einstein" to the three top demos.)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 19:02:45 by Dbug Dbug
 
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 19:03:09 by red red
don't like the music the filesize and the framerate but .... rulez anyway !
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 19:07:09 by bLa bLa
So finally a coherent & polished (albeit short) flt pc demo instead of the usual messy & rushed ones. And a great demo it is.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 19:22:58 by tomaes tomaes
Decipher : what did smash say ( I need booster as well ) ?
added on the 2010-04-06 19:35:41 by nytrik nytrik
wow, guys...
that's impressive...!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 19:38:50 by Spewk Spewk
lots of particles look good
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 19:47:12 by blala blala
beautiful, polished, artsy, quality prod
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 19:51:01 by bri3d bri3d
planets are trendy
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 19:56:02 by ponce ponce
Nice fomulas.
Impresive!!

Negative points, personally:

Just for pushing up the hardware standard. Not for impressing by optimizing and crunching for the medium actual standard.
Music seems not to fit in some moments.
The design is strange and a kind of incoherent, previsible.
added on the 2010-04-06 19:59:41 by JaK JaK
Hugely soothing logical next step after Blunderbuss. I still like that demo better, but that's probably because of the music. Well done!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 20:38:35 by sagacity sagacity
very impressive
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 20:44:48 by aha aha
music wanted as mp3 pleeeeeeeease.
added on the 2010-04-06 20:52:01 by jazz jazz
Thumb for the visuals and the code part but the music didn't appeal much to me.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 20:58:57 by Defiance Defiance
Excellent music. I'm not really into the visuals.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 21:03:46 by oxb oxb
Surprising music and awesome effects. I was worried that FR might win again, but glad you did!!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 21:08:33 by vorg vorg
wow.
i love how fairlight demos have evolved lately. a great experience in many ways!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 21:23:56 by fiver2^fB fiver2^fB
Technically this is amazing, but as a demo, I dont like it. Maybe i just dont have the eye for art.

Still, thumbs for the particles and the work.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 21:28:12 by mrp- mrp-
fresh and inspiring
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 21:33:36 by rale rale
after watching it at home together with farbrausch demo I must admit that I changed my favourite :). There are several scenes that makes this demo a must see. Also what is very important for me, this demo is perfect for showing it to people that are not sceners. In other words good for outreach sessions. Thanks for some extra steam.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 21:45:44 by bonzaj bonzaj
Hmm, I can't put my finger on it, but something doesn't feel right. Still a good demo, though.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 21:48:46 by radiantx radiantx
btw, WHERE can I get Bliss's song from this demo? Before I have to resort to a little What U Hear rippaging...
added on the 2010-04-06 21:50:00 by button button
Holy FUCK!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 22:36:18 by wad_ wad_
Kind of.. I dunno.. magical...great atmosphere. Marvellous demo.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 22:39:21 by Zagupi Zagupi
ZOMFG. Did NOT like.
Please don't let BP become another type of Hollywood.
sucksadded on the 2010-04-06 23:30:40 by cxnull cxnull
fairlight continues to reign. we're not worthy.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 23:32:13 by Gargaj Gargaj
way awesome!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-06 23:43:04 by sigflup sigflup
From the SF series Babylon 5:

<Ivanova>Another lesson ? What this time ?
<Sheridan> ...
<Sheridan>Beauty ... in the dark
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 00:16:54 by d0DgE d0DgE
hate the music, but visually stunning...
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 00:22:16 by Moby Moby
Really really beautiful. And really really boring. Love the music though.
added on the 2010-04-07 00:40:32 by StingRay StingRay
Great! Wanna see it on hugescreen!
Can't find this musician anywhere. Does anybody know where I can find other songs of Varia?
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 01:57:59 by FenolFtalein FenolFtalein
@FenolFtalein: www.varia.tv
A demo to remember. 1st place by all means.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 03:02:36 by AMB AMB
I really like this particle effects and physics :) firstclass again by *firstlight* :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 03:28:37 by daXX daXX
Is there any way to get this to run on the Radeon HD 3850 card? For some reason my card performs exceptionally well for it's specs, and I'd really like to test this one out :P

(The demo opens for me, but tells me Demoliton-FX has stopped working)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 03:38:24 by joebobfrank joebobfrank
It's seem pretty reasonable that they've developed a nice tool for controlling all this flow.. I wonder what it would look like.. hmm
added on the 2010-04-07 03:55:10 by sigflup sigflup
music sounds like one big sample-slice-fest.
visuals are certainly overly complex and skillful, but simply don't do it for me stylewise -> boring.
besides that it's a slideshow on my system (Q9550+oc'ed 8800gts), even at low-res (800x600).
sucksadded on the 2010-04-07 05:14:44 by keith303 keith303
Thanks for not doing the same demostyle over and over again, thanks for innovating. Without visual difference like this, demoscene would be dead!

Also, I love it!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 09:54:48 by vame vame
Great one, even if the music is so so !
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 10:04:55 by frost242 frost242
An entire world built on particles? I never saw a thing like this before. o_O
Really stunning beauty! You deserve devotion.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 10:15:45 by untel untel
Love at first sight !!!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 10:26:36 by sunb34mm sunb34mm
guys...you're crazy!
added on the 2010-04-07 10:31:43 by Spewk Spewk
breathtaker!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 10:38:27 by substrate substrate
a firm reason for an upgrade
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 10:41:43 by provod provod
Very beautiful!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 11:03:51 by Chaser Chaser
Really nice. Deserved to win.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 11:21:39 by glow glow
My mouth was open when this demo was running on the big screen.
It's the first time anything has done that in a very long time.

Thank you.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 11:33:28 by oasiz oasiz
Particles and physics seems to be state of art at the moment. But combining it to art really rocks!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 11:42:25 by vscd vscd
The ultimate proof that I need a faster GPU!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 11:44:31 by kusma kusma
untel: I believe they already had a world made up of dots in e.g. Extension

(yes that is a joke!) :o)

Topic: paradigm-shifting stuff, I love it!
added on the 2010-04-07 11:46:30 by plaf plaf
Any chance for a 1080p/60Hz video, please?
added on the 2010-04-07 11:48:09 by pommak pommak
Fresh!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 12:04:14 by k-bird k-bird
Undoubtly a fresh demo with innovative particles effects. The music is not my cup of tea and sounds cut.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 14:23:05 by Ok3anos Ok3anos
what I like most is that you stood by the same concept through the entire demo and did creative sleek designed things with it. That makes it clean and consistent. Yo've used these particle effects before but not as well directed as this time, so: very nice!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 14:29:18 by jaw jaw
okeanos: i'm pretty sure the sound cuts/unperfect looping are an audio stylistic choice.
added on the 2010-04-07 14:30:49 by button button
awesome technique and atmo :) nothing more to say
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 14:36:18 by nemesis nemesis
Very cool !
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 14:36:29 by willbe willbe
Interesting demo.... I liked the idea of making everything with points. Didn't care much about the music though and I thought the whole thing as a demo is very boring.
added on the 2010-04-07 14:57:10 by Nuclear Nuclear
Wow!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 16:14:57 by ozoi ozoi
Great!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 16:20:29 by Sander Sander
Can't remember so well what i thought about it at the party, i somehow think i felt a bit bored. But now (sober and tired) at home, it's beautiful and inspiring. Congrats.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 16:39:26 by Serpent Serpent
http://soundcloud.com/jari-pitkanen/100117-looking-back
..not the demo version..orginal before editing to fit the demo.
added on the 2010-04-07 16:47:57 by 1in10 1in10
1in10, thx a lot
added on the 2010-04-07 18:04:23 by diver diver
it did work for me on the bigscreen but was damn slow at home. left enough time to check the visuals, which kills the magic :(
added on the 2010-04-07 19:27:40 by pro pro
arr, soundtrack is nice :) so here's my thumb :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 19:28:09 by pro pro
Any links with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqXpXmFDzF8
added on the 2010-04-07 20:22:10 by knl knl
added on the 2010-04-07 20:22:31 by knl knl
knl wtf?
added on the 2010-04-07 20:27:43 by pro pro
I dunno. Someone linked me to that recently.
added on the 2010-04-07 20:35:21 by knl knl
haha wtf :D

nice sampling!
added on the 2010-04-07 20:38:15 by stijn stijn
i shit my pants when the dog started running.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 20:43:05 by nic0 nic0
hahaha, busted :)
added on the 2010-04-07 20:54:18 by AzzaroMWI AzzaroMWI
Ok that was seriously awesome. Smash: next time you fake "out of focus waterdrops on lens" make sure the particle you're scaling to achieve that effect moves the other way than the mass it's attached to ;-)
added on the 2010-04-07 20:59:05 by uncle-x uncle-x
Oops.. forgot something.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 20:59:19 by uncle-x uncle-x
nah
added on the 2010-04-07 21:05:45 by Shockwav3 Shockwav3
Hey, didn't know the soundtrack featured so many samples from the same place. Dunno what I think of that. Maybe I should check out more of the original artist's work then :)?
added on the 2010-04-07 21:07:28 by elfan elfan
Oh, SHIT, Socrates was apparently Vangelis' old group? Sweet :D.
added on the 2010-04-07 21:08:46 by elfan elfan
so that's more like a remix then :) nice selection DJ Varia. Still doesn't detract from the prodas a whole for me personally and i've been introduced to the Socrates....who are apparently fucking AWESOME!
added on the 2010-04-07 21:13:17 by button button
Thumb down, funny how its acceptable that demoscene musicians steal from others while it`s unacceptable the other way around.

I spit on you
added on the 2010-04-07 21:22:16 by Zplex Zplex
right!
and also if it was a small unknown group he would get a thumb down
also music stinks and ruins the whole demo anyway
smash, you got fucked!
gargaj: feel free to fix my thumb
added on the 2010-04-07 21:29:50 by [EviL] [EviL]
[Evil] i actually wish musicians on the scene could make such music, which is probably why they (flt) had to resort to outside to find something sutable for the visuals.

i sooooo wanted this one to be an original scene track (bar acceptable sampling). would have made my day. ah well.
added on the 2010-04-07 21:36:26 by button button
This was a nice surprise! The code is still super, and the show itself has a mood of its own. I really like the music, it is hard to imagine this prod with another soundtrack.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 21:36:58 by Hyde Hyde
I like the demo, and thumbed other demos with ripped soundtrack - like barn from tda.

It's still bad you do it, but yeah, this shit rocks :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 21:38:57 by jeenio jeenio
afaik Breakneck sent legal request to Sony or whatever to use the music in Barn and is credited
added on the 2010-04-07 21:41:04 by [EviL] [EviL]
Make your own music. IMHO, this isnt resampling, the whole story of the music matches, so its a DJ piece.
Even bad music is better than tim'landing.
The code is still cool.
sucksadded on the 2010-04-07 22:14:18 by archee archee
My first thought about the Soundtrack was: Some parts sound like from the 70s. So I was right. Nice remix anyway.
added on the 2010-04-07 22:18:39 by h4xor h4xor
Beautiful visuals but the music didn't appeal to me and overall it's not something I would like to watch many times. Who knows maybe it will grow on me later
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 22:24:02 by dairos dairos
right, this is all superb (code, music, direction) but not crediting the sampled track is pretty bad...
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 22:30:22 by parcelshit parcelshit
Amazing :D
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 23:34:38 by Zeila Zeila
not my cup of magic man, but still thumb-able due to freshness and the flaming 'dog'.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-07 23:42:46 by bstrr bstrr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqXpXmFDzF8&
yes. this is the source used. the track is edit type of music.
added on the 2010-04-08 00:04:10 by 1in10 1in10
Deeply interesting.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 00:21:10 by skan skan
When I heard the music for the first time I really enjoyed it and I thought it was like early Vangelis. And now I know it is early Vangelis for real. LOL. :)
So it is a nice remix and now we have two great tracks, the original and this. Is it a problem? I don't think so.

And the demo is the most progressive product for years despite I think that the direction isn't nearly perfect.

Oh and the animation of the "dog from the deep hell" is a bit hm... strange, but ho no it burns!
added on the 2010-04-08 00:34:26 by slyspy slyspy
And the thumb up goes to...
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 00:35:22 by slyspy slyspy
HD Video anywhere ?

MASTERPIECE ...
Those releases make me depressive ...

how to reach that level anytime ... it seems like an impossible mission ....
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 00:51:19 by _H2o_ _H2o_
Like it, smart effects but not blown away. Definitely a thumb up though!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 01:01:23 by rounddodger rounddodger
Original.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 01:11:11 by ninja ninja
Some of those dissolving sutff looked fantastic, but the music was a bit annoying.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 03:30:24 by Clarence Clarence
I get "Demolition-FX Client has stopped working" after the demo freezes on the opening scene (the insert disk 2010).

I'm running windows 7 64-bit with radeon HD 3850, which I don't think is the problem because people with worse cards have run this demo...
Satan back with good oldie stuff Old shool forever - epic shit.
added on the 2010-04-08 04:41:42 by xball xball
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rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 07:40:36 by pandur pandur
This has nice flow, but didn't quite like the music (especially when it's not that original).
added on the 2010-04-08 08:14:55 by lemonade lemonade
Requires too much hardware. Sorry.
sucksadded on the 2010-04-08 08:44:42 by BoulderSteiNisse BoulderSteiNisse
Sexy (ab)use of dots and postprocessing, but the sountrack (particularly the vocal section) kinda killed the fun for me...
added on the 2010-04-08 09:01:57 by dixan dixan
im so looking forward for the rockstar blogspot about this tech!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 09:20:34 by quisten quisten
Amazing stuff. I don't think the music was that great, and I was really in doubt about thumbing it up, due to the use of Socrates (Vangelis), but as I gave State of Mind thumbs up, I must of course also do it here. Amazing code and really artistic style. Keep it up.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 09:52:02 by d3pth d3pth
post party recovery still in progress.
but just to say:
- we never expected to win. if anything we made this knowing it would never win but decided to do it anyway. we just wanted to do something that was different that we liked and that had a bit more depth to it. the reaction has been insane and unexpected.
- it needs a pretty high end gfxcard just to get started because all the work is gpu-side. unlike in blunderbuss we had to fix the detail level here because it was too hard to tweak it for different amounts. if you're getting crashes its probably because of time between frames (driver thinks it has to give up :) ) or running out of memory for rendertargets. it happens on my laptop's 8400, too.
- i have(had-until that video) no idea about the sources of the soundtrack samples, we just got the final piece from the guys, loved it and used it. i assumed it was sample-heavy from somewhere though - pretty obvious really just from hearing it.
im not here to argue about whether or not using samples is acceptable, or how much samples is acceptable to use. if you want to hate us for it, just feel free.
at least i can say honestly that visually, it came straight from our heads.
it is what it is. :)
added on the 2010-04-08 10:10:18 by smash smash
On my Phen X4 955/HD4850/8GB runs 5-10 fps, demo has just improved same effect from previous demos.

I cannot thumb down, because on youtube it looks very nice.
added on the 2010-04-08 10:14:54 by jack-3d jack-3d
I'll never understand how to thumb down a demo because it didn't fit the viewer's expectation or current hardware spec. what about accepting the intentions and target platform the makers chose, just once and just for the hell of it?

Anyhow: this is freaking awesome and a pleasure to watch. now please provide a high quality video rip soon :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 10:47:26 by Paralax Paralax
Deserved to win, because it was different from what is usually made on pc and because it was made well. I don't really like the music, but on the other hand, a pounding drum and bass track wouldn't have suited the beautiful visuals.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 10:59:40 by Corial Corial
smashing demo - absolutely fantastic.
equally massive horrible soundtrack, specially considering that they are just improved drums over an excisting piece (cool that vangelis does the synth work though).

i would say the soundtrack is so close to plagarism that if this was known beforehand, the entire demo could be disqualified. i am sure smash was not aware though.
added on the 2010-04-08 11:03:19 by xrs xrs
uhm totally not my cup of tea, visuals are awesome and tune fits well.... and makes me wanna buy new gfx card!! thumb for doing something totally different
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 11:20:44 by Premium Premium
Runs brilliantly on my ATI5870, pleasure to watch. I really wonder how the particles were stuck into forms like that :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 11:24:30 by m0d m0d
Smash is using modern hardware! Boo! Hiss!
added on the 2010-04-08 11:26:05 by sagacity sagacity
odd and great
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 13:39:17 by spritus spritus
jolly good, jolly good
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 13:50:29 by zomb zomb
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 13:51:46 by p01 p01
there goes the scene.org award nomination for best soundtrack then :D

at least there is not only amusic from greece representing the vocal-demoscene-soundtrack scene.
added on the 2010-04-08 14:29:40 by teo teo
I think this whole rule of "may not use stuff which previously existed" causes more harm than good... yes, existing work must be credited, but what is wrong about mixing it up in a new way? Or even just using existing music with new visuals, or the other way around?

One of the great things of music remixes is that you may hear a song you like in a new version you like even more. In the case of this demo here, the original song is ok, but personally I like the remix more. So where is the problem? Also, why aren't there any "mash-up" demos, where people mix up existing demos and make some sort of mixed compilation? The only similar thing i know off are the scene-awards-introduction videos (and this 60minute what-it-was-called video) which are very nice to look at, but there should be more of that!

But there isn't more of that because it would not be accepted as "creative work" by too many narrowminded individuals!

Personally, I think copyrighted music+visuals should be accepted in democompos, as long as it is credited and does not violate the laws of the country.
added on the 2010-04-08 14:59:54 by teraflop teraflop
Great!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 15:45:17 by CrossProduct CrossProduct
teraflop: using copyrighted music without permission (more often than not) violates the law by definition, so you just proposed a paradox.
added on the 2010-04-08 15:52:00 by Gargaj Gargaj
I like the fact that none of the thumb downers had actual valid reasons :D
added on the 2010-04-08 15:58:50 by okkie okkie
If that was true, any kind of school festival would be illegal, since there is always some commerical music playing... there are a lot of gray areas, and I think these should be used to full extend. I even know of events where copyrighted music is played in a similar context as in a demoparty (entrance free, free download later), and yet it works somehow.
added on the 2010-04-08 15:59:39 by teraflop teraflop
sorry, meant "entrance fee"
added on the 2010-04-08 16:00:12 by teraflop teraflop
Technically, all those instances of playing the music are illegal indeed, unless the organizers pay a fee to the local collecting instance...
added on the 2010-04-08 16:05:11 by stijn stijn
do i see debates on the music being illegal and copyright violation? come on they're fairlight!! back to the piracy roots! \o/
added on the 2010-04-08 16:09:01 by Maali Maali
teraflop: yeah, and indeed, if you do any kind of festival larger than maybe 100 people or so, you have to pay fees to some copyright holder organization (GEMA in germany, don't know about other countries). and yes, even school festivals have to pay (whether this is enforced or not depends on the local representatives - i've seen both). the issue here is having it on servers for free download, since that actually counts as piracy if there's no legal license. whether you think it's stupid or not doesn't matter one bit, if you're in violation of the law and have some public visibility (as breakpoint does), you're a target. we've had a bunch of lawyers trying to shut BP down and start a police raid during the party in 2007, it wasn't fun. "it usually works out" is irrelevant here - yes, it usually does as long as you're small or obscure enough to pass under the radar, but that doesn't make it legal, and besides, BP isn't that small, whether you like it or not.
added on the 2010-04-08 16:10:10 by ryg ryg
It's a lovely fx and the most interesting soundtrack of the compo. Samples be damned, makes a change from the "couple of VSTs and a midi file would have done it" or "my favourite band is Dream Theater let me bore you all with my 7/8 guitar playing" I heard in recent demos.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 16:10:42 by 4mat 4mat
Realy nice, love how the moon is just blown away. Music whas okish, but no hit.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 16:11:40 by velo velo
HMF. That's a bummer. After listening to the original it's quite harsh to see how little own work is left. And i'm not sorry to say it's lame, lame, lame.

Give credits where credits are due!

Poo!
added on the 2010-04-08 16:14:39 by rpfr rpfr
@ryg
If that's the case, then I guess not much can be done, unfortunately.
Independent from that, I think that from a creative point of view, there is no problem in using existing music/visuals/whatever in a demo - as long as it's referenced.
added on the 2010-04-08 16:20:42 by teraflop teraflop
weeeeell I liked the video! the real deal was rrrrrrrrrrrrrridiculously slow on my computer. :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 16:34:24 by ricky martin ricky martin
teraflop: yes, from a creative standpoint, current copyright law is far too rigid and restrictive, no arguments about that. but we're still liable...
added on the 2010-04-08 16:37:26 by ryg ryg
it's cncd & flt, it's stylish.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 16:42:18 by fishwave/scx fishwave/scx
And from a creative point of view it still sucks IF you don't reference. There's no excuse for real.
added on the 2010-04-08 16:44:44 by rpfr rpfr
Impressive
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 16:46:48 by yandexx yandexx
we're working on a solution to the music issue as we speak. (before we get burned at the stake..) :)
added on the 2010-04-08 17:03:46 by smash smash
This give particles a new meaning.
Very excellent design and thoughtful demo.
Great collaboration demo.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 18:16:26 by Xiny6581 Xiny6581
beautiful in every aspect.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 18:27:05 by jco jco
smash: nah! relax about it man
we, at #ukscene talking way before your post, were pretty sure you had no idea about this and wouldn't release a Timbalized demo
hence the "smash, you got fucked!" I wrote before
I still love you in a non-erotic way
added on the 2010-04-08 18:33:09 by [EviL] [EviL]
if you want, i can do a karaoke version!
added on the 2010-04-08 18:52:03 by Maali Maali
i can understand ronny and totally second the "give credit where credit is due" but apparently it looks like they werent aware aswell and credited only the remixer.

the situation is obviously more complicated than the simple "hey i like this copyrighted track lets go and make a demo about it" - so i'm fine with this excuse :)

the copyright issue is another thing but i hope this prod will remain with the original soundtrack :)
added on the 2010-04-08 18:55:14 by pro pro
beultiful, and technically good, but - -just doesn't grab me..
funny that, as soon as the tech goes beyond the ordinary "woah i can vector-cube-relate that!", people reflect their cluelessness by disrespect. this is something really new there. and it´s awesome. dont be afraid to not understanding this demo as quickly as you´re used to. don´t cover the felt helplessness behind fear and hate! enjoy the show! it is not evil. it´s not magic! it is art!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 20:46:50 by wertstahl wertstahl
Whether people get caught, event is obscure, or the legal battle is worth the expenses, the copyright law is there and it's international. Smash should whack the remixer on the head with a box full of plagiarism.

I cannot in clear conscience vote for the demo until the music issue gets resolved. Other than that the demo is excellent on the technical side, but I can't say I enjoyed it very much. It's basically a series of scenes linked by the same particle type of effect, which on the one hand give me the expectation of a storyline, but on the other hand don't offer me one.

Each scene on its own though is very very beautiful.

As for the soundtrack, i prefer the original more than the remix.
added on the 2010-04-08 20:52:19 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
Instant winner of forthcoming scene.org 2010 awards for graphics and effects prize. Unbelievable moody, stylish and artistic demoshow. All thumbs up.

rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 20:54:40 by Trauma Zero Trauma Zero
http://soundcloud.com/jari-pitkanen/100408-jonna-sydan
added on the 2010-04-08 21:22:47 by 1in10 1in10
my girlfriend liked it too. so double up on thumps from this end! :)=
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 21:25:00 by cheesytbc cheesytbc
absolutely beautiful. in every aspect
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 21:29:37 by v3nom v3nom
FLT&CNCD stay on top of the elite of the demoscene. (I didn't say PC demoscene, because this is simply what demos are about, nothing to do with platform.)

And what a fucking soundtrack!! Innovative, beyond perfection, making you want to record it immediately cos you can't wait for the mp3 release :) (I guess it's somewhere, wanted to write this right away.)

(OK, music ending 1 sec before demo was meh but I'm sure it'll be fixed in the final.)

Agree it has a fair chance to win scene.org awards :)

One of those demos that you want to show to everyone you know to make them understand how mindblowingly cool it is being a scener :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 21:31:15 by Photon Photon
Truely amazing stuff! This IS art! Smash, you can be sure to get the next scene.org Award for "best effects" for this demo!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 21:59:05 by Bobic Bobic
@Photon if you want mp3 - there is here:
http://www.amazon.com/Phos-Socrates/dp/B00005NMZ7/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t
(second track)
or listen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqXpXmFDzF8&
added on the 2010-04-08 22:41:25 by irwin irwin
surely the biggest workout my graphics card has had judging by the noises the fan was making, but the demo didn't really do it for me personally
added on the 2010-04-08 23:02:51 by bfx bfx
Beautiful prod, one which actually tests my machine for once.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-08 23:21:22 by Intrinsic Intrinsic
To clear any confusion;
Me and 1in10 (=Varia) were in the faith that the style of the track would go down well and the obvious sampling would be a no-brainer for everyone. It seems like a lot of people like it, which is great!

The style of Varia is cultural rehashing, and I can assure you that more work and know-how went into the track than most demo soundtracks usually take. :)
@1in10 thumb up for Jonna Tervomaa :P
added on the 2010-04-09 01:09:14 by zafos zafos
Hietala wrote me regarding the YT video and stated that he contacted the original artists and asked them for permission to sample their work.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-09 01:48:29 by Salinga Salinga
BTW his YT channel is here: http://www.youtube.com/user/youh0e70
added on the 2010-04-09 01:51:21 by Salinga Salinga
:)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-09 01:56:53 by texel texel
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I think this whole rule of "may not use stuff which previously existed" causes more harm than good...

not true. that is not a rule. not at breakpoint, and not on most parties, just remember fr-062: the cube.

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Personally, I think copyrighted music+visuals should be accepted in democompos, as long as it is credited and does not violate the laws of the country.

yes, it should be credited. that's the point.

to generalize: why is original music important in the demo-scene? because a demo is code+graphics+music, and music is a very important part of it. if you "steal" the music, you have stolen a very important part of the demo, and that is just unfair for all the demosceners that try to create great zero-budget productions doing it all by them self.

anyway, i don't love the demo because of the soundtrack, so shame on you and yeah what a great demo!
added on the 2010-04-09 03:06:32 by chaos chaos
one more comment: if a demo runs way to slow on your computer, watch it again in two years: if it is really badly coded, it will still run like shit, if it is well coded, it will run smooth like silk.

this seems to be the second kind. (light)years ahead.
added on the 2010-04-09 03:13:16 by chaos chaos
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and the obvious sampling would be a no-brainer for everyone.


I thought the sound track was 100% own work. A lot of people still make music in this genre, so why would I ever think it was sampled?

Visualy awesome. No transitions, but some very nice scenes. Some okish, but the atmosphere! Wow! Still holding my thumb because of the music-issue.

"Pieeeuw"
added on the 2010-04-09 04:14:40 by numtek numtek
I have to go find my brain, it blew out back around the flowers.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-09 04:49:55 by praetor_alpha praetor_alpha
Actually, since the previous Fairlight particle magic demo had a completely original song with vocals and a rather different style than the usual demo soundtrack too, I don't think the sampling/remixing was that obvious.
added on the 2010-04-09 08:46:25 by stijn stijn
"one more comment: if a demo runs way to slow on your computer, watch it again in two years: if it is really badly coded, it will still run like shit, if it is well coded, it will run smooth like silk. "

Absolutely lol. Scalable demoengines.

My thumb goes for fantastic music of this demo.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-09 09:18:54 by moredhel moredhel
My currently biggest issue with the demo is a moral one. I was sitting there in the compo and was so much caught by the overall atmosphere which the soundtrack donated a lot to.

Would it have the same impact with a different soundtrack? In the end, would it have won?
added on the 2010-04-09 09:23:55 by rpfr rpfr
Regarding the soundtrack: I definitely thought it used a lot of samples (seriously, did anyone really think that these guys did their own 70:ies style recording and THEN sampled it?) but that the different samples were from different places to such an extent that crediting all the sources would be too tedious. However, if you sample so heavily from one source it would be nice to see something like "Music: Varia (samples from Socrates)" in the credits. I mean, I love the original and I'm glad that people pointed it out. Now I have two musical artists to check out :). I don't mind at all that people sample other music, personally I think that the demoscene is a lot about cultural rehashing. Have you listened to demo soundtracks from late 80:ies/early 90:ies? Fuckin' italo/Front 242 drivel ;D... Nah, but seriously, being inspired by and using other musical sources is completely valid - and sometimes necessary to achieve a certain sound - but pointing out the source material is just simple courtesy!

My thumb remains and I love the soundtrack just as much as before. I just wish that people would be more careful to acknowledge the original artists so that the audience would be able to enjoy the original music as well.
added on the 2010-04-09 09:40:58 by elfan elfan
Also: Awesome to see that Blamstrain was involved in this production. Really dig your work, man :D.
added on the 2010-04-09 09:42:03 by elfan elfan
i cant see this as stealing. only if you are a complete retard can you think that it is. look around. really. i just picked up an mp3 instead of guitar. its 2010. if you know music as i do you understand that lot of things you can do are against the law. that shouldnt stop anybody creating. why put these chains on just because its the pack way. as usual for demoscene the point is lost as the people with hate and no understanding start to bash. i could have done anything but i chose to do this. i have no limits.
added on the 2010-04-09 10:44:59 by 1in10 1in10
Blamstrain, i dig your work for a long time. You know it. And yes, it is 2010. Because of that i didn't have any doubt at all that there are musicians in the scene that would make such music as original work.

If you want to tell people it's okay to label others work as your own you should look for a different scene. I always believed that this is all about skills and OWN work. That plays a very important role for many of us.
added on the 2010-04-09 10:52:09 by rpfr rpfr
1in10. holy shit man, are you serious? really, if you are going to go around ripping other peoples work and not giving credit - you better just stop composing music (not that you did that in this song anyways). there is a difference between sampling and stealing and entire idea. the latter MUST be credited - or you will be looked upon as a big fucking loser by the majority of folks here who have an ounce of integrity and respect for original artists. dumbass.
added on the 2010-04-09 10:58:26 by xrs xrs
rpfr, 1in10 isn't me btw. :) I wholeheartedly agree with his view though. It's purely an artistic choice of style, though I admit it was a bad decision not to include the source with the credits. That's explained with some miscommunication though.

Regarding the demo experience, does it really matter? If the visuals and music fit together in your opinion, we have succceeded. :)
ok first things first: for me, the demo is a clear winner. Ambience, color, effects all top-notch. It takes guts to pull that through. Only 3-4 scenes but done to perfection!

When I watched it I thought that the music was amazing. It fits with the demo perfectly. Unfortunately I found out that it is almost entirely copied from another source. It doesn't affect my judgement on the demo (I still believe it is the best so far in 2010) but reminded me of this:

http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=10546

It is interesting to see how the same people reacted then and now. I remember the award ceremony at assembly 2003 when "basketball-bat" abyss announced that they'd be disqualified for that (I believe they were going to get 3rd place prize). Imagine their horror! They played with fire and got burned badly.

So, always, be careful with referencing.

Nevertheless, great demo and a thumb up.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-09 11:11:35 by Navis Navis
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i just picked up an mp3 instead of guitar.


why? you can't play the guitar? :)

seriously, you must be out of your mind if you think you can get away with it that way. nobody - I think - is judging your musical capabilities, au contraire, it is a great remix you've done, for sure it took a lot of work, specially if you're not a trained musician and have to figure out chords and time signatures.

but to ommit that it was heavily sampled from some other place is a serious mistake. really. either you didn't give a fuck or you simply thought no-one would notice. get real. this is the demoscene. NOTHING goes unnoticed.

still, what I think is your biggest mistake is your present attitude. because if you would come here (and with here I mean the demoscene, even though pouet != scene...) and state "sorry guys, yes it was sampled and we forgot to mention that. can we be excused?" probably you could get away with it.

but this way? sorry. great job, but lousy posture. this is not the scene way.
added on the 2010-04-09 11:23:14 by jeenio jeenio
to clarify: i wrote the info file at bp (in a hurry at the last minute), and didnt know the source of the samples at the time - so i didnt write it down. nobody was trying to hide the source or anything sinister like that. at least we *had* an info file, usually we dont even manage that.. :)
added on the 2010-04-09 11:42:25 by smash smash
i don't think people here appreciate the magic of that Socretes track and how crucial it is for this demo as a whole (try watching the demo with some other song, fe). You can't just create songs like that on demand just because you want to and it was a PERFECT match for the demo. so i understand 100% why it was used.

i don't know if Bliss chose it _specifically_ for the demo visuals, but if he did than the selection ALONE (nevermind the fact that he didnt create it) was critical. he matched visuals and audio perfectly to help create the magic in this production which i do not think would have come about using any other song. certainly not by using anything most demoscene musicians are able to create.

I know BP and scene.org have to be careful what they host, but as to the moral "rights and wrongs" of remixing this song...FUCK IT. it just had to be afic.

added on the 2010-04-09 11:55:49 by button button
Who cares, nobody will be sued since the demoscene is dead. Ok, the zombies here will argue that this demo have an extra advantage with the atmospheric music, but who cares, zombies always gets blown up by a shotgun.
added on the 2010-04-09 11:56:31 by Zplex Zplex
at least tell me the 'remix' was done in VangelisTracker
added on the 2010-04-09 11:57:13 by Maali Maali
I think the discussion should be put outside this Review Thread.
I believe Smash didnt know about it, so i wouldnt overreact on this one. The demo rules anyway, maybe they can remix the music and replace it.
added on the 2010-04-09 12:03:57 by jazz jazz
what jazz said.
added on the 2010-04-09 12:07:57 by jeenio jeenio
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The style of Varia is cultural rehashing, and I can assure you that more work and know-how went into the track than most demo soundtracks usually take. :)

Well, yes and no. The original, perhaps, but the edit for the demo was not good. Clearly audible cuts, reverbs that disappear suddenly, clicking - just not good. Please don't take the "yes, I didn't make it, but I'm such a good musician that it shouldn't matter"-route, since it's unnecessary and demeaning.

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i just picked up an mp3 instead of guitar. its 2010. if you know music as i do you understand that lot of things you can do are against the law. that shouldnt stop anybody creating. why put these chains on just because its the pack way. as usual for demoscene the point is lost as the people with hate and no understanding start to bash. i could have done anything but i chose to do this. i have no limits.

I don't know how to react to this, so I'll just do a "what xerxes said", add a "w-o-w", and take two steps back.
added on the 2010-04-09 12:10:54 by gloom gloom
if socrates responds by mail and give their ok, just release a final version with proper credits.
added on the 2010-04-09 12:30:02 by jazz jazz
Great even if i like fr- better :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-09 13:34:11 by Queen bittin Queen bittin
Don't forget, that the music comes from CNCD, not Fairlight. Probably someone tried to compromise Fairlight on purpose.
This theory reminds me of politics in Hungary :)
Its a pity, that Smash has to spend time on finding a solution instead of doing more coding.
added on the 2010-04-09 13:59:49 by archee archee
the music comes from varia, not fairlight or cncd. :)
added on the 2010-04-09 14:04:43 by ryg ryg
dear XRS, learn how to make music and come back to flame. seriously, i checked you stuff and you sound pretty much like the next no soul lets copy everybody else scene "musician".
added on the 2010-04-09 15:13:22 by 1in10 1in10
I'm confused. 1in10 is varia is 1in10/mfx?
added on the 2010-04-09 15:21:35 by tomaes tomaes
1in10

rightfully so, if you'd release your version commercially you could look for a nice place to stay somewhere in copyright hell... so if i was you i'd rather have a nice cup of shut the fuck up instead of bashing random people.
added on the 2010-04-09 15:34:04 by rpfr rpfr
varia = jari pitkänen (1in10) and juho hietala (blamstrain). i am the one who has no social skills and flips easily when encountering stupid people and juho is the intelligent one.
added on the 2010-04-09 15:34:18 by 1in10 1in10
alltime #54!
added on the 2010-04-09 15:45:47 by diver diver
you all are just suckers falling for the "controversy sells!"-trap
added on the 2010-04-09 15:48:34 by Maali Maali
The discussion about the music is better held here:
http://pouet.net/topic.php?which=7285&page=1&x=28&y=10
added on the 2010-04-09 15:56:58 by numtek numtek
1in10: awesome on top of that you insult people
btw... telling Xerxes to learn how to make music is like asking to fuck for virginity

smash: you got fucked!
added on the 2010-04-09 16:19:48 by [EviL] [EviL]
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dear XRS, learn how to make music and come back to flame. seriously, i checked you stuff and you sound pretty much like the next no soul lets copy everybody else scene "musician".


ahahahaha!!! :)
added on the 2010-04-09 16:21:21 by prm prm
yes, pretty comic!
added on the 2010-04-09 16:22:28 by [EviL] [EviL]
Looks completely awesome and new sprite record beating the old 312 sprites record by Leonard. Especially the man/woman running scene looks spectacular to me. I need more disintegrating objects from everyone from now on.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-09 16:37:46 by loaderror loaderror
drama.
added on the 2010-04-09 16:41:22 by knl knl
So I was actually right when I mentioned Vangelis called... (check the oneliner). And
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Chariots of Fire anyone?
added on the 2010-04-09 16:50:12 by xernobyl xernobyl
good demo, good music, nice drama.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-09 17:02:48 by cp_ cp_
Blew me away seeing this on the bigscreen, great stuff.

Even 1in10's lame attitude in trying to find the worst possible way to respond to him having done wrong (not crediting the original artists work but crediting himself) can't change that.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-09 18:47:08 by scamp scamp
Ok, after that vangelisgate & reading 1in10's comments the pig goes back to the pig-shed.
sucksadded on the 2010-04-09 18:53:26 by daFred daFred
drama.
added on the 2010-04-09 19:04:56 by NuKem NuKem
Actually I watched it a couple more times and it definitely grows on you, I'll have to come back and give a thumbs up...

As for the copyright controversy, I couldn't give a shit if it's illegal or not, copyright law can suck my balls. But not giving credit is inexcusable. 1in10 SHOULD let smash or whoever wrote this demo, know where the credit must go.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-09 20:07:32 by Nuclear Nuclear
"As for the copyright controversy, I couldn't give a shit if it's illegal or not, copyright law can suck my balls."

well, nice from you! :)
added on the 2010-04-09 20:09:35 by NuKem NuKem
i dont know where you get this that someone got fucked over. desktop and juho asked me if they could use this track..and they both knew that it was an edit. i was happy that someone finally got balls to put illigal track into a demo if we forget mfx's boozembly intro from 2005 or something..which was not a pop song as this one. for me this was a question of freedom of expression. i dont know smash and i have never met him. no info was ever asked from me, but i think i posted the orginal album to juho thru dropbox.
added on the 2010-04-09 20:46:11 by 1in10 1in10
Art
rulezadded on the 2010-04-09 20:52:11 by efecto efecto
1in10: accusing xerxes of being a copycat musician while copying someone else's work is a tiny tiny bit misplaced, don't you think? Also, saying "I have no limits" is a bit off. Have a reality check.
added on the 2010-04-09 21:25:04 by Axel Axel
"I have no limits"

hahaha. shake ur hand with timbaland, lame :)
added on the 2010-04-09 21:52:25 by AzzaroMWI AzzaroMWI
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if a demo runs way to slow on your computer, watch it again in two years:...


Abschuss hahaha

Did stolen Amiga/Relic/Demo FSOLs huge parts played with legendary status of these prod and Ganja's career? Nothing new: not the first and not the last nasty scene move Im blinded by overall blast of these demo to see stinkin details ;D

@Azor - kradziony bit! kradziony bit! :D
added on the 2010-04-10 00:10:57 by xball xball
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added on the 2010-04-10 00:24:42 by 1in10 1in10
and sorry about that..i have no idea what just happened to the post.
added on the 2010-04-10 00:26:04 by 1in10 1in10
@varia

There's nothing wrong with a remix. In fact I like good remixes. But usually a remix used like your's is presented like "music: original artist - track title (remixed by)" and not like "music: varia", because it's simply a lie. Leave out the sampled parts and then let's talk about the question if the rest of the track can even still be called "music".

"I have no limits" - Yeah, at least it's pretty obvious you don't know them. And I'm afraid the inappropriate comments of the kind you recently used to post here won't make it any better.
added on the 2010-04-10 01:09:23 by BitArts BitArts
please drop the drama - this prod rules!
Smash; lets do the dance again!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-10 03:43:47 by response response
where can i download a full res video?
added on the 2010-04-10 10:56:16 by Tigrou Tigrou
Great effects :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-10 13:04:18 by KILE KILE
YouTube video is blocked until copyright issue is solved.
added on the 2010-04-10 13:19:03 by Salinga Salinga
Salinga, only one of them is blocked.
added on the 2010-04-10 13:53:31 by diver diver
A bit slow paced for my taste but it suits the ambient pretty well. The running thing in the forest gave me the goosebumps.
It's a shame for the drama as this demo doesn't deserves it.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-10 14:03:35 by Jailbird Jailbird
beautiful.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-10 14:42:03 by dominator dominator
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It's a shame for the drama as this demo doesn't deserves it.


isn't pouet's "all time top ranking" system in some way based on the amount of click and views a prod thread gets? if so, i'd say it does deserve it. :)

MORE DRAMA...MORE CONTROVERSY!!
added on the 2010-04-10 15:36:03 by button button
particle chaos system.
pretty nice and welldone effects
rulezadded on the 2010-04-10 19:09:39 by rbz rbz
ripping music? come on! :(
added on the 2010-04-10 19:49:33 by jco jco
You know what? All the controversy can't hide the fact that it just looks SO GOOD.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-10 22:09:30 by kb_ kb_
controversy just makes this better.
added on the 2010-04-10 22:19:15 by nosfe nosfe
fuck controversy! destop and smash just did an amazing work.
added on the 2010-04-11 07:08:25 by diver diver
Thumb up for Blunderbuss rearranged , awesome amout of works

why so slow on Q9400 & HD4850GS :( ?
rulezadded on the 2010-04-11 10:26:00 by _wheely_ _wheely_
saying this is one effect prod is just stupid, the amount of setup work etc for each scene is immense.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-11 11:20:23 by thec thec
I tried to see this on my laptop which has windows but its 9600m card was struggling. The wolf running part didn't even render, the screen went black. Then I saw the streaming video and I have to admit I'm very impressed by the visuals. I remember talking with navis about something similar after I saw what he did with his particle system in Animal Attraction. I'm going to give it a thumbs up simply because the sheer amount of work for producing the visuals must have been staggering though I can't ignore the bad move on using ripped music and not at least giving some credit.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-11 11:37:23 by ppanag ppanag
technically ahead as usual \\o

the controversy is a joke (and a bless actually), the music fits the visuals perfectly, like VIP2!

congrats smash & destop.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-11 11:49:49 by aftu aftu
Not bad, slow and long though.
added on the 2010-04-11 13:37:45 by AntDude AntDude
impressive
rulezadded on the 2010-04-11 18:19:30 by emu emu
bery pleasant for my eyes! kick ass! i'm only dislike the voice in the music
rulezadded on the 2010-04-11 19:06:10 by zeebr zeebr
Demo crash on 3 PCs XP nvidia or ati

Explosion-FX.exe or something like that is there a way to fix this ?
added on the 2010-04-11 20:04:11 by WoDK WoDK
Slow on 5870M + i7

C'mon!

Cranked it down to 640x480 and what I saw was interesting, but not something I'd care to watch again.
sucksadded on the 2010-04-11 20:40:28 by xteraco xteraco
killer demo! brilliant effect(s), design and music!
but it should have been disqualified!
what a pitty :-(
rulezadded on the 2010-04-11 22:22:41 by RufUsul RufUsul
Liked it though it crawled on my 9650M GT... but, hey, it's a Fairlight demo, I'm used to that ;)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-12 00:00:27 by raer raer
I don't like the music, really.
But very nice the "art of dot"! Very complex work! :D
Unfortunately it requires a series of supercomputers to render it proprely @ 1080p :|
added on the 2010-04-12 01:19:22 by Jacksoft Jacksoft
Amazing visuals, great music, very cool effects. Best demo of the year so far.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-12 02:57:31 by Daeken Daeken
Thumb for an awesome demo - especially the opening flower-scene and the burning animal in the forrest.
What should be said regarding the music, has already been several times. Though i still don't like the "piiiooou" sound and the abrupt ending.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-12 09:33:35 by Puryx Puryx
far out!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-12 11:35:39 by toxie toxie
fico
rulezadded on the 2010-04-12 14:33:57 by ad ad
Just... wow!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-12 20:07:45 by Grimmy Grimmy
This was nice. On many levels. Great job guys!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-12 23:23:57 by harism harism
What Puryx said.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-12 23:45:04 by Maissi Maissi
Definite thumb up. Although I too feel like the concept could have been explored more, and direction was lacking things aswell.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-13 02:49:33 by Visualice Visualice
code = top, but a bit to slow (maybe reduce the particles on lower machinces & gfx cards)
design = top
visuals = top
music = good

the flower scene is amazing.

critic: dont like the animation of the beast
rulezadded on the 2010-04-13 10:59:42 by aTom aTom
Too much of a good thing is wonderful.
added on the 2010-04-13 11:25:17 by eetu eetu
Wow, amazing renderer engine!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-13 18:59:09 by Hicks Hicks
Completely gobsmacking.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-13 19:50:10 by horai horai
new & different...worthy² 1st place
rulezadded on the 2010-04-13 20:22:05 by 4kum4 4kum4
Yeah.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-13 20:25:26 by Insectecutor Insectecutor
Nice artwork, music was good and the particle rendering was made well as well, but overusage of fluid dynamics in an obvious way somehow made the demo feel cheap. Otherwise would thumb this up but maybe this has already more of them than it would deserve :P
added on the 2010-04-13 21:34:35 by hhhhhhh hhhhhhh
wow shit is trippy
rulezadded on the 2010-04-14 09:35:12 by Speed Speed
hhhhhh: yeah, because fluid dynamics is really common these days! pfft.
added on the 2010-04-14 15:09:50 by thec thec
i want yolk or sulphur.
added on the 2010-04-14 17:34:25 by chavez chavez
outstanding
rulezadded on the 2010-04-14 21:33:42 by neoneye neoneye
thec: that may look like fluid dynamics, but i'm willing to bet that it's just artful application of curl noise :)
added on the 2010-04-14 21:47:27 by ryg ryg
and again: watching realtime ain´t possible !

this demo is BLUNDERBUSS ON COCAINE !

before i start showing you , what ye did wrong, i´ll just thumb it :p
rulezadded on the 2010-04-15 05:36:05 by hArDy. hArDy.
piece of art.
Oh, and what Puryx said!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-15 16:24:36 by nekomono nekomono
it decelerates on XP, but works fast on VISTA
added on the 2010-04-15 19:17:02 by eugene eugene
The moon part is a total win.

I don't understand why that animal running has to be in slow motion, it's a bit of a glitch on the flow.

The running guys part is great, aesthetically and movement-wise.

I wish someday kurli and smash collaborate on a prod. That'll be fucking amazing.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-15 21:12:23 by mrdoob mrdoob
Awesome. Even on a 360p Youtube capture.

I'm blown away. :)
rulezadded on the 2010-04-15 22:08:17 by FunkyM FunkyM
wow
rulezadded on the 2010-04-16 00:06:22 by unc unc
Oh! Good Job!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-16 08:03:24 by Hybrid Hybrid
runs decently on my rather old pc
added on the 2010-04-16 08:17:58 by plaf plaf
love it
rulezadded on the 2010-04-16 16:34:16 by chromag chromag
Well, fuck. I *did* get a 'Telefon' (PSP demo?) vibe when I saw it. But it seemed plausible it could be made for a 64K, and big names, so.

The music does have some merits over the original (at least in this context). Perfect matching to the demo mood, drops and synth spots, for example. I'm holding a shaky thumb since the visuals hold their own in 64K, but it would be nice to know what FLT/CNCD thinks about this, just in case Varia slipped them salt peter...

I'm not going to be a hypocrite and pretend demos never borrowed from popular mainstream songs, god knows it was common in the late 80s. But samples, harmonies AND composition? Even with size limits, it's getting hard to see where the musician's work fits in to make this a demo track.

Still an inspiring demo, but leaving a bad taste in the mouth.

OK, /Drama. I'm not the first to comment on it either, but. I did get a reaction I didn't like when I checked the links. Unexpected.
added on the 2010-04-17 03:06:09 by Photon Photon
About the whole sampling issue.. even though in my eyes it holds no significance, this would be a prod. where you'd overlook it. We had the same discussion when VIP2 was released 10 (or 9 or 11?) years ago and please, people, walk to hell with it already.

Fucking solid job, end of story.
added on the 2010-04-17 07:20:07 by superplek superplek
core2 duo e6600, 6gb ram, gts250 1gb, win7 64bit

runs like a *dog* at 1920x1200.. mebe 10-15 fps..
runs fine at 800x600..

hint: less effort into candy, and more effort into efficiency/opitmisation and youll get a better response here.
voxels & particles render like shit on any gpu with fuq all ram and low numbers of streams..

i dont give a shit how good a prod it is, if it runs like shit on a box like mine, then there's something fucking wrong with its optimisaiton..

end of story.

its art, but runs like a fart. Music is OK, but not stunning.
very underwhelmed. not even in the same galaxy as state of the art. whover voted this for #1 @ bp are either groupies or starfuckers.
sucksadded on the 2010-04-17 16:18:13 by baldrick baldrick
A 1st place well deserved. Hope to see it as a winner in multiple categories at the next scene awards.

And seeing more and more _direction_ in scene demos is a real pleasure -- the "coder colors" and "effect pack" era started to get long in the tooth.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-18 22:10:50 by Hoild Hoild
"gritty and smooth" at the same time, really interesting.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-19 14:05:38 by nulstein nulstein
Would love to see a version with better transitions and (especially) better camerawork, btw.
@plek_is_back - That GPU is basically a 8800GTS (G92) so cira late 2007. I got my GTX280 back in june '08 and it's old hat now. Well relatively speaking.
Sorry last comment was meant for baldrick! Apologies. Fail!
guys that is somewhat truly amazing. the music is ace (even if it's "ripped") and my aesthetical senses are also very pleased. love the "particle"flow of this.. seein that there are possibilities for effectdemos today is absolutely great.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-19 19:14:04 by mad mad
HauMaïFewkeenGawd !!!!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-19 20:10:22 by kohai kohai
baldrick: Sorry that we didn't take your GPU into consideration when voting (based on what we saw on the bigscreen, which was a really fluid animation).
saga, er no not really, in fact it stuttered like hell on the bigscreen, and part of that was our fault (ran the demo in 1920x1080 instead of 1280x720), but even in 720p, there's still scenes with <20fps on the compo machine rig.
added on the 2010-04-19 21:20:51 by ryg ryg
The visuals are amazing!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-22 20:58:32 by Prot-DHS Prot-DHS
Thumb up, especially for the running animal scene. When I saw this one I knew you win (after Rove had some doubts, but anyway). Beauty.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-23 23:14:02 by maq maq
ryg: hmm, maybe it was so late that my brain only worked at 10fps. :) i didn't really have the impression that it was stuttering.
just woah..
rulezadded on the 2010-04-26 13:37:37 by ontherun ontherun
The visuals are stunning, but the music is way too schizophrenic for me. Still a solid thumb though.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-26 14:54:27 by wb wb
As technically impressive as this is, I like it even more for being weird and beautiful.
rulezadded on the 2010-04-27 21:02:14 by elmindreda elmindreda
this prod [rulez] rulez
rulezadded on the 2010-04-27 23:36:08 by Baz Baz
love it!
rulezadded on the 2010-04-29 01:53:39 by LovCAPONE LovCAPONE
great
rulezadded on the 2010-05-03 16:11:38 by delta delta
new trend?
rulezadded on the 2010-05-04 17:31:07 by Szaq Szaq
Visually in control. As a one effect demo, so-so. As always you need icore to run these demos coded by him.
added on the 2010-05-05 11:53:16 by moredhel moredhel
This is really massive!
rulezadded on the 2010-05-05 17:07:01 by FooLman FooLman
This was just completely fantastic. Pure love here for the zero-polygon approach. When that moon picture came in, I was definitely thinking 'yeah, this is a bitmap, no doubt'. Then it wasn't, and my mind was blown.
rulezadded on the 2010-05-14 18:02:43 by marconelly marconelly
Awesome! Deserves to enter the hall of fame! Love the music, but i'm not sure about the ripped material without credit though. Despite the fantastic outcome, in a competition...i dont know, i guess this prize opened up a precedence. Other groups may do the same from now on...
rulezadded on the 2010-05-15 04:21:25 by soueusou soueusou
Ao contrário da crença comum, mesmo quando não és apanhado continua a ser mau karma :(
added on the 2010-05-15 05:33:55 by xernobyl xernobyl
I can report that this demo kicks massive butt on GTX 480.
added on the 2010-05-19 23:22:21 by kusma kusma
I need to thumb this up !
rulezadded on the 2010-05-25 20:49:24 by guille^cocoon guille^cocoon
Wonderful! The deserved Winner!
rulezadded on the 2010-06-01 19:23:53 by tirox tirox
Meh... Piggy for the particles...
added on the 2010-06-13 07:19:17 by pun pun
I'm confused.This demo is technically outstanding, the result is beautiful, and I like smash's comment about doing what they felt like. But on the other hand this credit less copyrighted music issue and the related comments would call for a thumb down. I'll give a piggy I guess.
added on the 2010-07-18 18:07:40 by Zavie Zavie
Very, very cool. Massive props for being unique
rulezadded on the 2010-08-01 04:40:35 by litherum litherum
Does not work. I had to watch from YouTube.

Beautiful.
rulezadded on the 2010-08-01 21:32:29 by Jakim Jakim
Slow in resolutions over 640x480... the full particle display idea is really neat but maybe it's too early to release a prod that use it for the whole demo...

I also disapointed a CNCD demo could not been sounded by a CNCD member ^^ (and i don't like the vocal part of the music)

Anyway, it will be foolish for me not to thumb up this...
rulezadded on the 2010-08-17 13:29:50 by RaHoW RaHoW
possibly the best demo i've ever seen. the ending seemed quite sudden though.
rulezadded on the 2010-10-26 14:35:51 by thefox thefox
incredible graphics. i like the particle fx, no fan of the music
rulezadded on the 2010-11-01 22:45:20 by Psychad Psychad
umm.. wow.
rulezadded on the 2010-11-22 00:45:15 by bigcheese bigcheese
the production itself is very good, a perfect demo. superb code and just magic. that's why the thumb goes up.

but varia (1in10 or whoever that else is), the soundtrack is a complete ripoff of the original (socrates - queen of the universe). i'm currently listening to it. you just add much reverbs, effects, recycling and cutting and the cuts are *very* audible. and even now you don't reference the original on your page:

http://store.varia.tv/album/agenda-circling-forth

you should be ashamed of yourself.
rulezadded on the 2010-12-15 11:08:06 by neoman neoman
Visuals and code are superb, and some things I have trouble figuring out - which makes it fun, of course :) Unfortunately the music, especially the repetitive vocal part gets annoying very fast, I wish I could see this with another soundtrack. But thumb up it is, never the less.
rulezadded on the 2010-12-29 03:56:19 by ccr ccr
Wonder how I could not like it when I saw it at the bigscreen.

However, more credit should have been given to the soundtrack.
rulezadded on the 2011-01-02 19:48:48 by joooo joooo
i cant stop watching it.
rulezadded on the 2011-01-03 21:10:34 by notorius notorius
The best demo of all times!
rulezadded on the 2011-01-09 13:26:51 by harsh_noise harsh_noise
Beautiful, and very special. I love the movements of things. It feels very organic in a way. Also, nice music. :3
rulezadded on the 2011-02-11 00:42:19 by Panterdjuret Panterdjuret
rulezadded on the 2011-02-27 15:28:10 by Ized Ized
Amazing...
rulezadded on the 2011-03-13 18:30:11 by drk421 drk421
rulez
rulezadded on the 2011-03-22 22:12:40 by xeoner xeoner
This is amazing, a new way of rendering, it's beautiful, revolutionary. But please - don't use any vocals in demo music, it ruins everything.
rulezadded on the 2011-04-10 01:12:36 by rutra80 rutra80
This one is cool aswell! Deffo thumbs up!
rulezadded on the 2011-04-22 13:44:26 by SoDa7 SoDa7
So many Points so beautifully arranged. Together with the music -> beautiful

Made a Highres YT Rip for it
rulezadded on the 2011-06-28 23:56:49 by anni anni
I would "rulez" it for its design, its technical content and etc. But there's something that annoys me in this demo: the musician simply took the Socrates' song, worked on a poor remix over it and credited himself.
added on the 2011-07-12 19:52:54 by Danguafer Danguafer
Mindblowing, almost perfect imo. I´m just getting angry everytime i hear those hard sample cuts in the beginning of the show. They annoy me alot, destroying my flow watching it.
rulezadded on the 2011-07-13 21:10:53 by nty_ nty_
FUTURE OF DEMOSCENE THERE!
Fantastic. Original. Beautiful. Outstanding. Technically advanced. Fuck yeah!
rulezadded on the 2011-07-26 11:43:24 by closed closed
oh well
rulezadded on the 2011-08-18 11:01:26 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
Thumb up for original and amazing visual technique, despite some disadvantages.
rulezadded on the 2011-08-22 20:41:14 by zbyndek zbyndek
Well played! Loved Rove and Vokawardoai more, to be honest, but goddamn smash's coding abilities are incredible.
rulezadded on the 2011-09-05 20:36:17 by moozooh moozooh
pure awesomeness \o/
rulezadded on the 2011-09-23 13:54:06 by nathanhi nathanhi
just bought the soundtrack :p
Incredible! Best use of particles EVER and a brilliantly good example of how to design things properly.
rulezadded on the 2011-12-14 22:16:34 by fizzer fizzer
Heavy stuff........
rulezadded on the 2012-03-04 19:07:20 by Frequent Frequent
Just brilliant in a demoscene
rulezadded on the 2012-04-17 21:30:02 by kokeszko75 kokeszko75
This is the perfect demo, doubt I'll ever see anything better..
rulezadded on the 2012-06-05 16:18:15 by padme padme
This is state of the art of the 2010s.
rulezadded on the 2012-07-25 18:50:33 by Jiggawatt Jiggawatt
music, style, atmosphere.
rulezadded on the 2012-08-06 00:27:15 by cherri kandler cherri kandler
mssing words, this is THE shit! one of the best demos ever seen.
rulezadded on the 2012-09-14 22:49:58 by neriakX neriakX
Can't catch the breath.
rulezadded on the 2012-10-09 22:15:34 by lamb lamb
ossom
rulezadded on the 2013-02-16 00:52:25 by T$ T$
This is beyond demo making. Besides the tech part this is pure art.
rulezadded on the 2013-05-29 23:19:18 by SandLover SandLover
nice rendering
rulezadded on the 2013-05-31 16:45:04 by wie8 wie8
Not my favourite from the "particles" series, and the "animal" animation is a bit amateurish, but it's of course a great prod, most of the screen are really beautiful :)
rulezadded on the 2013-07-25 13:34:17 by rez rez
That scene with the moon gives me chills every time I see it! Fantastic work and a fantastic soundtrack. Only small gripe I have is with the processing of the vocals. Cutting them off a bit hard here, it seems. Still, an amazingly great track and as usual, the techstuff is probably insane too ;)
rulezadded on the 2013-07-27 23:07:36 by Punqtured Punqtured
style!
rulezadded on the 2013-07-31 16:08:14 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
Fairlight quality!
rulezadded on the 2013-09-08 19:00:48 by CHEF-KOCH CHEF-KOCH
I did not thumb this one up yet? what! fixed.
rulezadded on the 2013-10-28 16:34:45 by las las
Imagine making your first prod, imagine doing it at the party place, imagine staying awake for more than 24h - handing your prod in, and wait for the compos to start.
I stood there, tired as fuck - saw our demo on that fucking massive huge screen - the music playing loud and hearing a bass that was not from this planet. Trying to keep awake, after one unbelievable amazing demo was played after ours - just to be topped by the one that came after it. Having the feeling that this compo will never end, and actually hoping that it never does. Feeling a bit proud that we've too have been a tiny part of this compo.

Then silence, after we're done yelling and clapping for the prod that just ended - Fairlight is coming up next - curses are heard left and right, everybody being pumped to see what they're up to.

HOLY FUCK SHIT DAMN!

Seeing something that was out of this world, so many particles that the night sky would just admit it's being second. A tune, that has such a bass that the floor would tremble.
Jaws have been lost until today when the scene with the two runners was shown, but nobody cared as the bass was swelling up again - some Finnish guy was yelling: "louder" but we never heard from him again.
Suddenly the "End of compo" beam slide was shown, everyone hanging their head in shame - walking away from the bright full high definition screen - thinking the scene just died, a little. Even heard about a laptop being thrown, in the hope that the elders of the scene would notice - and keeping the scene alive by offering that bits and bytes of that cracked open machine.

It didn't help, Fairlight took over the scene, again.
rulezadded on the 2013-11-03 03:47:46 by mog mog
This prod sucks. I wasn't able to run it on a fresh Windows 7 install due to some missing "msvcp71.dll" and "msvcr71.dll", and even after obtaining them the demo just hangs on the loading screen. It might have gotten a thumbs-up if the demo worked worth half a shit on my system and there were some way of getting ahold of these arcane DLLs that the demo demands, but since there isn't, fuck this demo and fuck CNCD and fuck Farlight in the first fucking place.
sucksadded on the 2014-04-12 01:36:36 by TheMogMiner TheMogMiner

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