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Open Your Eyes by Critical Mass
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screenshot added by Mike 3D on 2002-09-17 14:05:28
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release date : september 2002
release party : Paradox 2002
compo : combined demo
ranked : 1st
  • rulez 67
  • is ok 33
  • sucks 23
popularity : 1%
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  • rulez 0.36
alltime top: #1379
added on the 2002-09-17 12:32:51 by bhead bhead

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well, say what you want about the ripped music, but that's a pretty nice demo, the best from CM yet at least. choreography and 3d quality were improved a bit, the character movements could be more, ahem, original and varied. and I don't really get the story, if there's one. 8)
but still nice work, nice progress. good luck jocker, tiamad & the rest. 8}
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 12:40:02 by bhead bhead
Damn God Damn!
There are 6 months about that, I listened the music of the prod and thinked about making something with.
..but other people did it ! And the result is a ** KISS ASS NICE PROD !!! ** Really a good work, the music is nicely integrated in, the camera is always moving, blablabla just go to watch it.
huuh :) Guillaume j'ai reconnu les yeux avec les 4 images qui cyclent :)) finalement t'as reussi à les placer hein canaille
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 13:01:49 by norecess norecess
And just a message to the coder...
upi, I got my punk ass out of the virtual file system :E
hehe
added on the 2002-09-17 13:05:44 by norecess norecess
actually, upi is not a coder of this, he's the other coder, who likes to get his punk ass into various data files.. 8))
someone screenshot this plz, I'm at work and this demo glitches badly..
added on the 2002-09-17 13:09:16 by bhead bhead
cool
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 13:18:42 by superplek superplek
Very nice visuals! Really good production!
But I found the camera movements and cuts quite boring after a while.
And I don't like at all the idea of using such a famous song in a demo.
added on the 2002-09-17 13:24:52 by pan pan
I forgot to mention, as bhead, I didn't get the story.
added on the 2002-09-17 13:26:24 by pan pan
Way to go!
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 13:39:58 by ravity ravity
in fact, after rewatching the demo, I think the character is running as a duck :) huhu :)
added on the 2002-09-17 13:53:17 by norecess norecess
I think I saw similar running technique in some nvfxbrowser demo...
added on the 2002-09-17 13:56:28 by bhead bhead
best demo from Critical Mass. Ripping music sux, but it doesn't metter. Great demo!!! Fukkin great. Warhawk, I love your production again.
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 13:58:47 by night_ night_
vip2-alike. very nice graphics (models, textures and animation). it doesn't really work as a movie-style demo though.
added on the 2002-09-17 14:36:54 by robotriot robotriot
very good
nytrik president :)
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 14:51:35 by med med
i dont understand : its t-rex or other group?
why critical mass?
added on the 2002-09-17 15:02:44 by zen zen
The demo is nice indeed, but of course ripping music DOES matter night_, otherwise we'd all being doing it.
More effects and less 3d scenes would've been cooler though. And also using a better running skeleton :)
No thumbs up.
added on the 2002-09-17 15:03:26 by ithaqua ithaqua
reminds me a bit at this production from nah-kolor http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=5604. i don´t know why. ripping music suxx, and ripping this monkey music suxx even more ;) For me it looks more like a game preview. the only "demo" thing for me is this 3D-thing that follows the person in this demo. well, it´s ok.
added on the 2002-09-17 15:04:06 by diver diver
ripping music sucks.
otherwise okay.
sucks added on the 2002-09-17 15:10:22 by shiva shiva
zen: it's not by t-rex. warhawk's engine works both ways.. 8)
added on the 2002-09-17 15:13:53 by bhead bhead
I keep what I said above, but after watching it once more I'd like to give a virtual thumbs up to the graphician(s) and
of course virtual thumbs down to the guy who had the idea to use ripped music ;)
added on the 2002-09-17 15:16:04 by ithaqua ithaqua
Ripping music sucks, ripping bad music sucks even more. ;) Seems like a lot of work went into this demo, but it's not my cup of tea.
added on the 2002-09-17 15:31:09 by tomaes tomaes
niceish - some of the 3d-scenes felt a bit empty. the music reminds me of late 90s :-D
this looks nice and is quite dynamic,
but,
youknowwhat...
sucks added on the 2002-09-17 15:36:03 by cp_ cp_
really great graphics work, but the story is nonexistant, the "shadows" are a joke and the animation looks quite ripped (in the "fighting" part)

Furthermore, ripping music sucks. Sorry.
sucks added on the 2002-09-17 15:50:55 by kb_ kb_
Fuck me dead! I dont care a BIT about ripped music, that was just a visually very beautyfull intro!!! The modelling of the guy is superb and the animation even better. :D At least I have never seen better in a Scene Production.
Thumbs up, very well done.... ~_~
Nice Colours, btw......
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 15:54:16 by elend elend
The animations is great (generated by Poser i guess?, not ripped) and graphics is great + music (which is ofcourse ripped).

The only part i didnt like at ALL, was that part with that 3dobject destroying other objects.
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 16:12:41 by Wain Wain
Btw, that man runs in a weird way, maybe he got big balls?
added on the 2002-09-17 16:17:44 by Wain Wain
hehe, at least he doesnt run that weird. Like Ripley in Alien 2 from Scoopex...
added on the 2002-09-17 16:31:14 by elend elend
i like it a lot :)
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 16:31:26 by kusma kusma
pretty cool
at least it was alternative music, even if it is ripped.. why doesn't someone record something, someone must know a band or something..
oh well.. may be I should, but I still suck heh
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 16:34:51 by XteNt XteNt
no
sucks added on the 2002-09-17 16:46:51 by diver diver
For the record, ripping music is lame!

That said, the gfx, modelling and code are outstanding.

It's a great demo and a real nice change from the all-too-popular minimalist/experimental fad.
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 18:02:38 by Wade Wade
Fucking cool this one!!!
great code and gfx.
Cooler modeling and skinning motion and The player to which they are moved.
And camera work was good!!!!
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 18:42:19 by got got
While I admit to prefering abstract blobs and stuff, 3D scenes can be cool too. And this is pretty decent stuff.

Regardless of whether or not this music is ripped, it still stinks to my ears. Of course I would've never known it was stolen if it weren't for the above comments. (I'm so out of touch with "pop culture," and this crappy tune just served to remind me why.)

There are so so so many scene musicians, it shouldn't be hard to find one willing to create something for a demo. Or if you want guitars and drums, why not look for a local (non-demoscene) band to record something? There's no excuse to steal.
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 19:20:38 by sea_monkey sea_monkey
Nice vip2-like (read: commercial-mp3-based) demo. Quite energetic, whitch is so good to see ! Great visuals and motions.
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 19:41:16 by willbe willbe
a few very nice (graphical) things but i just can't give a thumb up because of the ripped music and the flaws in design.
added on the 2002-09-17 20:46:47 by raymon raymon
this is cool !!!!!
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 22:09:31 by guille guille
well, ripped music.

I liked the yellow head-in-the-box, the rest was pretty dull. some nice modelling on the main character, though. code didn't seem to be doing anything special except playing back some 3d-scenes, which isn't really "outstanding code" as was said above. ah well. at least I like the song.
sucks added on the 2002-09-17 22:31:07 by sagacity sagacity
blargh. music-ripping is really lame, please don't continue with such. the "design" is more or less just switching camera-angles, and that's not very exiting in the end. it's all rather pretty though, and since the "story" is a typical demo-story (read: story? what? oh, these recurring elements, yes, some thingie racing after another thingie, design? yes.. or..? eh.. etc.) it's a pretty decent flyby.
added on the 2002-09-17 22:45:14 by gloom gloom
it looks nice. oh yes. cool scenes, nice artwork, good ideas (i like this motionblur thingie or those explosive tentacles) but the music doesn't fit very well. okay, nice synch (i guess it was hard work and you had to listen to the track _very_ often ;) the demo creates a nice and dark mood. but the track sounds more cleaner and pays the listener a good partyfeeling. this is somehow inconsistent... another more sepulchral track (maybe a not ripped one? ;) would create a better atmosphere.

another word to the synchros: it is very nice synchronized, i like those different scenes, but those transitions suck. maybe some blending or fading could create a better atmosphere. nevertheless, a nice demo and compared to other demos released these days it is really great.

just my 2 cent
rulez added on the 2002-09-17 23:23:04 by pro pro
Nice looking demo and also speedwise mostly ok here. A 'minus' for the commercial soundtrack, but at least it fits well to the shown stuff.
added on the 2002-09-17 23:47:19 by Crest Crest
Very good demo. I don't typicaly like "story" demos. Or demo's that rip commercial music for that mather. But this demo is just the type of fluffy good that I like. ;)

Strange. I liked VIP2 also. Damn those rippers, they win again. ;)
rulez added on the 2002-09-18 00:29:42 by imperator imperator
yeah, this demo rocks, but the music is ripped (is it really so hard to find a freetime-crossover-band in your neighborhood?) and
the guy runs like jester (the harlekin) in the Nvidia-SDK mesh-skinning demos ; )
this means for me: no thumb up...
added on the 2002-09-18 01:15:13 by reaktor2k reaktor2k
Very good graphics, nicely rendered, to sum up very good demo, to show to (standard :) people.
The "story" of the demo is not of the level of the other stuff, I'm sure it was under finition, damned party deadlines !
Ripping commercial music is bad, boo !
rulez added on the 2002-09-18 01:23:57 by Sanx Sanx
Thumb up for the nice design, excellent models/textures (usual for Critical Mass), nice 'worn film' effect and fantastic movement.

Thumb down for badly recycling scenes from their previous demo and for using a highly popular commercial track.

If they had ripped some similar track from a band that noone has heard of this would be a definite hit.
added on the 2002-09-18 01:49:58 by moT moT
very nice production
but cheesed me out. I just don't dig the style & music. Too MTV
added on the 2002-09-18 02:45:00 by cats cats
Great graphics and synchro for this heavily VIP2 influenced production. The 'story' is a bit flakey tho...

Deserves a thumbs up, even if it's only for the amount of work and care that has been put in.

About the music, I dont give a shit if it's ripped, if u make a bad demo with ripped music i sort of see the point, but VIP2 and State of Mind are great productions despite having ripped music (although this demo is good, it's not up to that par). Please get over your stupid prejudices and look at the work that has gone into this prod, which is indeed a lot.

'nuff preaching for today
rulez added on the 2002-09-18 05:49:32 by mac mac

someone rates work, i do rate actual prod = the result being subjective to the bone and for me this doesn't stand for art i would like to kill for.

sucks added on the 2002-09-18 06:02:17 by raver raver

but the work is great indeed.. thumbs down yet hats off for the dedication and talent.

added on the 2002-09-18 06:03:19 by raver raver
The nfo say : "critical mass presents in association with guano apes.."

So I wonder if the music is used with permission from Guano apes, if thats the case, the use of the music is just fine.
added on the 2002-09-18 08:41:00 by emoon emoon
Using ripped music get automatically a thumb down from no matter how good the demo itself is. Too bad.

Have anyone of you actually ever considered *asking* for a permission to use a soundtrack for a demo? It's actually not that hard as it sounds.. there are many bands out there that might want to co-operate after seeing how cool stuff you can make with realtime computergenerated graphics.
sucks added on the 2002-09-18 10:19:40 by melw melw
i don´t mind if this was much work.
i just like it, i don´t care about ripped musik.
just remember the old days, noone cared if one used a ripped hubbard or galway tune in a demo.
rulez added on the 2002-09-18 10:23:22 by Spinball Spinball
melw, yes, it was done,this one uses commercial music with permission from author.
emoon, I dunno for sure, but I seriously doubt the music is used legally here..
added on the 2002-09-18 10:27:48 by bhead bhead
really good gfx but it failed completely in creating a feeling for me.
added on the 2002-09-18 11:31:03 by fiver2^fB fiver2^fB
1.: I don't care if it uses commercial music. I've never been a fan of Guano Apes, but the music and the visuals just go nicely together. In my opinion, demo-effects should compliment the music and vice versa. It doesn't really matter, if the song is original or not.

2.: Scenes and textures are awesome! Great Job! I especially liked the metallic head in the box (last -but-one scene). Ok, the "running-scene" looked kind' a weird, but its probably the fault of the chosen camera perspective. Its just a minor quibble.

3.: The whole thing rocks! One of the best prods this year. On a sidenote: the well known tune and the professional graphics make it possible to show this demo to "Non-Demofreaks" and arouse some interest for the demoscene. Think about that ;-).

PS: Has anybody else noticed the great quality-improvement of russian demos in the last two or three years?
rulez added on the 2002-09-18 11:53:03 by Strobo Strobo
HeHeHe. I though, that Warhawk doesn't read yomoma.ru, but he does :) "upi, get out your punk ass from this datafile :)" LOL :) Wait for this demo datafile unpacker :)
added on the 2002-09-18 12:33:45 by night_ night_
Since you put all that effort in the gfx work, why not asking a musician around to compose something guanoapish for you?
sucks added on the 2002-09-18 12:47:36 by dixan dixan
nice :)
rulez added on the 2002-09-18 13:49:10 by DiJ DiJ
Roxx!
Perfectly synched.
Probably the best demo i have seen this year.
Doesnt really show any new effects, but no demo does nowadays. At least it uses the available current techniques very well.
added on the 2002-09-18 14:04:38 by BaC BaC
what fiver2 said.
rippin' moozax is sux. the visuals are decent, but i missed the speed of the tune.
This is a headbanging tune but a slow demo. :(
added on the 2002-09-18 16:16:06 by FooLman FooLman
I'll not comment on the ripping music stuff or include it in my rating anymore; I think it's been said often enough by now :)

So let's look at what's left: The graphics are rather nice and the code is solid, but the problem I have with this production is that it simply doesn't work as a demo (for me).

I appreciate the work, but what I see when I just watch the demo without concentrating on individual aspects is nothing special, so, pigface.
added on the 2002-09-18 17:01:09 by ryg ryg
baha, dont you ppl pee in your panties only because of sum ripped musix... ttzzee
added on the 2002-09-18 17:48:49 by elend elend
Good choice of music, but why rip when Fuel showed us with Untamed that a scener can easily do his own metal song?

The syncs are quite senseless, as is the story, and there is no real connection between the music (either the siong or just the lyircs) and the visuals.

Tries to be Sinum but fails.
Oh what the hell... let's thumb it up :)
rulez added on the 2002-09-18 17:54:46 by Gargaj Gargaj
uhmmm.. no :( sorry nitryk :P
added on the 2002-09-18 19:02:59 by mrdoob mrdoob
ops, i mean nytrik :P
added on the 2002-09-18 21:48:28 by mrdoob mrdoob
Well... More than a demo comment it seems an ethic discussion about the use and abuse of ripped music...

Let me tell you something... I´m not a scener, but I want to become one of them. In my oppinion, a demo is something that you do because you want to do it. As it is yours, no one pays you to do it, you are free to do it the way you want. Critical Mass (masa crítica, me gusta ese nombre) just did it the way they wanted to do it. Maybe someday I´ll be a scener, but nowadays I'm a gamer and a CAD worker... I love fractals, bobs and all these complex examples of coding... But I think that a (gamestyle) 3D demo is something fresh in the scene... or didn´t you liked playing Max Payne, or further away, who didn't enjoyed with the Matrix scene of 3DMark? It´s true that there´s no much code working, but graphics are very impressive, camera movements are great, scene direction rules.... and I like Fear Factory, and haven´t heard that song!! Yeah, maybe ripping is not the way, but I have to say that the result is amazing.

The truth is that I have enjoyed insanely with this demo. And also like VIP2. Yeah, well done! Please make another one!!!

Hit ceiling with thumbs!!!
rulez added on the 2002-09-18 22:46:55 by byos byos
Lame Character Studio animations... nice editing... nice gfx... but it deserves to be in the wild compo, not in the demo compo... like the haujobb prods...
sucks added on the 2002-09-18 23:30:57 by spengler spengler
VERY cool...ripped muzak or not it had to be there ;)
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 06:43:38 by verm verm
nice one
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 08:51:22 by Treff7es Treff7es
fucking rulez!!! i really love it, an awesome scene production! farb-rausch can learn something here (and should stop with their childish "ripping music sucks")

a really nice scene production!
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 10:30:46 by elkmoose elkmoose
byos: no wonder you haven't heard this song from fear factory, as it is performed by guano apes. :)
added on the 2002-09-19 11:06:45 by FooLman FooLman
I really enjoyed this one.
The modelling is great, the visual effects are very nice, and there is a certain overall 'atmosphere' that I can't really put my finger on...
Excellent work! :)
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 11:53:58 by Scali Scali
Nytrik gets a thumbs up from me.
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 12:57:43 by java java
AHHHH MAIS C'EST TROP BON !!!!!!
as said Med : Nytrik PRESIDENT ! ;)
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 13:06:51 by Stv Stv
how can so many people consider ripping as ok? its just plain unfair. and disrespectful for *every* scene musician.
added on the 2002-09-19 13:10:45 by cp_ cp_
it will be unfair the day when there will be some rules.
by chance, the creation game does not have any.
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 13:19:54 by elric elric
I agree with cp, ripping sucks.
added on the 2002-09-19 13:35:36 by emoon emoon
luv this piece - really nice and powerfull scenes - cool textures and 3d environments !
too bad that I hate guano apes
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 13:42:25 by critikill critikill
'Nuff whining like little bitches! Watching it with the sound off, some nice scene design and construction, character animation (although a bit remeniscent of the walking scene in 3DMark), creative use of mis-en-scene effects... so it still gets a thumbs-up.

Now I've voted, turning the sound back up, nice sync and atmosphere befitting the choice of track. What's more its another demo that's introduced me to something I didn't know.

You don't shout at Chris Cunningham because he didn't write "Come to Daddy". It's a creative response to a piece of art, and .'. valid - just a horse of a different stable. When people pass people's work off as their own then it's exploitative and it sucks, but if you really can't see the difference between that and this then, well, bof :)
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 13:54:11 by MrMessiah MrMessiah
MrMessiah: Cunningham's videos are a totally different thing.

It all boils down to one word: PERMISSION.

When you're ripping music, you're not being too unfair to scene musicians. If you as a coder/designer have a vision of a demo fitting to a Guano Apes track, and you don't know any scene musician who can come close to that style (and I think we all agree that there are VERY FEW (at best) scene musicians who can do non-electronica and most of those then lack the proper mixing/mastering skills to make their songs sound like more than a bad suburban garage grunge band), then so be it...

... but who you're then really ripping of are in this case the Guano Apes. Heck, maybe they'd even have liked the demo, maybe a miracle would have happened and the label/publisher would have given permission to use such a "hit" track for free...

... but that didn't happen. The band wasn't given a chance to know how THEIR (!) piece of art got used, let alone control it.

Sorry, but MP3 trading sucks and rips off people. Why is it suddenly ok if you wrap a demo around it?

(As a side note, I kind of hate the music industry and their recent efforts to make artists as well as consumers pay more and more for less and less music and rights, but I at least haven't lost the insight that spreading commercial mp3's throughout the net isn't allowed and definitely shouldn't be in the future)
added on the 2002-09-19 15:11:21 by kb_ kb_
and again, sharing mp3s (or whatever copyrighted material) with your close friends and relatives is perfectly legal and should remain so.

(just something that gets forgotten often, because most information comes from the other side of the atlantic.. we have different rights on copyrighted materials in europe)
added on the 2002-09-19 15:26:18 by _-_-__ _-_-__
i meant it was unfair for the other people / groups in the competition.
added on the 2002-09-19 15:47:32 by cp_ cp_
kn: I agree with you there, I'm also "guilty" of copying the one or other song to/from friends.

Then again, Ii don't consider a scene of a few ten thousand people and ftp.scene.org my "close friends" and I hope no other thinking creature on this planet does :)
added on the 2002-09-19 15:47:40 by kb_ kb_
hmmm...
added on the 2002-09-19 16:04:41 by nystep nystep
kb, rightly so about point 2, and the reason why i'm not going to bother downloading this production
added on the 2002-09-19 16:21:44 by _-_-__ _-_-__
This demo uses doping (ripped music)! But I guess that is allowed in Russia :). kb, you should not complain, they even sent greetings to the legendary "fabraush".
added on the 2002-09-19 16:38:54 by no1 no1
Keanu Reeves sucks, but the demo was nice anyway.
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 17:27:35 by steffo steffo
although the music is ripped the demo itself must get a thimbs up.
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 18:08:18 by Panda Panda
why u ppl desn't see the final result ?
stop with that fucking "ripped music ?"
it's better than 10 3ds scenes with different cameras .....
added on the 2002-09-19 20:33:05 by Stv Stv
Well, fuck me! This is some sweet demo! Fuck the critics!

Please, release DVD with the demo and the "making of", alternative camera angles, demomaker commentaries for the blind critics and a short movie with "what if the lead role was a girl" with CGI anims and stuff! :)

rulez added on the 2002-09-19 20:47:12 by sin sin
people will use commercial mp3 of dead artists so no one can complain.
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 20:47:30 by dake^cdx dake^cdx
must be stoned again!
added on the 2002-09-19 20:48:14 by sin sin
dake - IIRC one of the tracks in the Toys demo was ripped from an artist that is already dead. Nobody cared much though, "poueters" will revive the dead for the sake of a good'ole'flamefest.
added on the 2002-09-19 20:50:53 by sin sin
I´ve just downloaded this intro for about half an hour because someone claimed it beeing interesting. Obvoiusly, he was wrong - the demo is just crap. And I wouldn´t compare it with the Nah-Kolor demo since the latter at least had nice textures.
sucks added on the 2002-09-19 20:55:07 by T$ T$
guess what sucks?
sucks added on the 2002-09-19 21:16:46 by uncle-x uncle-x
it must be ripping stuff, uncle-x.
added on the 2002-09-19 21:36:06 by Shifter Shifter
Music rippers(very commercial music rippers) are like boysbands: Everybody hates them, but anyway they take all the prizes and popularity :))
Hm, Who will be next? Marylin Manson? :)
added on the 2002-09-19 22:03:25 by night_ night_
apart from the fact that the soundtrack is ripped (reason enough for a thumb-down), it sounds also pretty awful and kind of ruins the whole demo.
sucks added on the 2002-09-19 22:28:43 by heman heman
rockz !
rulez added on the 2002-09-19 22:37:06 by 0x$$ 0x$$
@ FARB RAUSCH LAMERS:

i remember a video demo from mekka 2002 by farb-rausch that had a ripped song from Future Crew, so I cannot understand your lame thumbs down just "ripped" music... you are playing on 2 sides of your own grave suckers...
added on the 2002-09-19 23:39:49 by elkmoose elkmoose
I'm ok with cp, it's really unfair for the competition.
Party organizers should really put this in the rules of the competitions. It would make those demos disqualified. But anyway the demo could be released out of a party or as disqualified.
added on the 2002-09-20 00:08:35 by Sanx Sanx

kb, truely capitalistic approach ;)
i say go ahead and rip off big record companies, they are earning way too much anyway and so does guano apes.. i'd say its not about permission, fuck copyrights - its more about creating your very own prod.. scene 2 scene, galaxy 2 galaxy

added on the 2002-09-20 00:13:36 by raver raver
"sharing mp3s (or whatever copyrighted material) with your close friends and relatives is perfectly legal and should remain so." - excuse me? where do you live? merry bubbly fantasyland? please define "close friends and relatives" and how they could -possibly- relate to the use of the music -you've- purchased (if you've even paid for it in the first place..). i'm a musician and try to make money on it when i'm not doing demo-tracks, and piracy is a fucking cash-killer for me. people can yell "fuck copyrights - share everything - information wants to be free" and all that crap until their lungs run out of air, but the fact remains; where will the artists get their paycheck from if nobody pays for stuff any more? and; is it any less unethical to think that "well, -someone- must have paid for this cd since i'm able to copy it off the net" than to just steal a copy from the shop?

sorry for the rant.. no.. wait.. i'm not sorry. piracy sucks. ripped music in demos sucks... and fuckall to the ones who doesn't understand.
added on the 2002-09-20 01:27:06 by gloom gloom
..oh; and this discussion should continue in the bbs rather than in the comment-field to a/this demo. -that- i am sorry for. :)
added on the 2002-09-20 01:27:59 by gloom gloom

lalala there are lot of people who dont have money to buy your expensive records... and if you are musician, you get paid by record company, doesnt matter if some copies are being pirated..

why cant i share my PROPERTY i paid for with friends or whomever i want? cant i give my car for friend to drive? again, just in search for more $, music and software industry seem to try to set new rules on everything... fuck it and you'll get a lesson when some major record label will screw you up. that system stinks and you should know that!

can agree with you on your last post - lets start a nu thread called FAC

added on the 2002-09-20 02:00:32 by raver raver
Raver: You are totaly ignorant aren't you? I have very much understanding for what Gloom sais here. I myself am a musician. For musicians that are not big labeled we strive to make any money from our music. And it is fucking almost impossible becouse to many people just copy the music instead of paying it.

And for the "lend by car" analogy. It is not the same thing. You don't actualy buy the media. You buy a license to listen to the music. If you lend away the CD to somebody you need to "lend away the license" if you get my point. Is is basicly like software. Just silier.

I am not going to rant on abot this or anything. But I think it is important that people understand that piracy, although it does not hurt the big label musicians to much, it really hurts a lot of musicians that strive for years working several part time jobs trying to make a living. Many mucicians that love making music just don't have anything left after a while to keep going and making good music when he has to work his days away and on and on and on.

You are probably an inteligent lot. You get the point. :)

Nuff said from "I" me thinks..
added on the 2002-09-20 02:45:58 by imperator imperator
Jesus Reebok, get a life. There's commerical music and there's scene music, where people participating actually KNOW it's origin. In fact, don't get a life. You're much too clueless to find one.

Watched the demo, found it to be an uneventful piece of disappointment. Nice modelling, I guess there's a decent engine behind it, but the audio was well...guano. Uneventful trife with a tired track.

Eaver should search google for the Salon article of Courtney Love about Bands and record companies, as he seems to have ZERO FUCKING KNOWLEDGE of how such things work.

if you are musician, you get paid by record company, doesnt matter if some copies are being pirated.. <- IGNORANT LOSER TALK.
sucks added on the 2002-09-20 05:37:09 by Shifter Shifter

now, prove what you're saying or maybe you are not getting my point at all. and after all, maybe losers are these who're losing zillionz because of piracy?

added on the 2002-09-20 07:06:45 by raver raver
gloom: in Norway, where both you and I live, copying copyrighted stuff to your friends and family are concidered "personal use", and is legal. But those you give copies to are not allowed to give it further away.
added on the 2002-09-20 12:22:22 by kusma kusma
raver, you're totally beside the point. when you bought a car, it's perfectly acceptable to lend it to your friends. the same thing goes for music, and no one will stop you from doing it, as long as you don't keep a copy for yourself. in germany, you may make backups of software or cds you bought, and you may give it to your relatives and close friends in any case, but giving it to someone else when you still have a copy is a violation of copyright law and rightly so, IMHO.
added on the 2002-09-20 13:05:15 by ryg ryg
Who cares if they pay the authors / gets a written persmission to use the music, it's still ripped, and ripping art sux. lets keep the scene a scene and not "hey i havnt got any 3d, lets use the quake1 level1 modell"
Altho i like the rest of the demo, but ripping just sux :)
sucks added on the 2002-09-20 13:19:07 by andromed4 andromed4
Besides the fact that this uses ripped music (which is illegal if you do not have permission from the original artist, no matter what anyone says, and, critical mass could be in serious trouble over this), this demo just plain sux imo.
The animation on the guy looks VERY familiar, and well, just looks suspicously like a 3d player to me.
Those explosions are amusing aswell ;P
sucks added on the 2002-09-20 13:20:24 by graffik graffik

I did enjoyed it, because I knew the song and made it a surprise. It's the first time I run a demo with a commercial song I have heard and liked before and trying to see how they managed to connect the known music with the design. But is it perhaps one of the main reasons why I thumb it up?

Ripping is still questionable. Someone said that if there is a known commercial song in a demo participating in a compo, then it may possible win a lot of points just because of that! And yes, it made my mood more positive and surprising when I suddenly discovered I was hearing Open your Eyes/Guano Apes in a demo connected with the design, that would made me wow, something that wouldn't happen so strong if there was another scener music used in it. However from another point of view, it is interesting how sceners tried to put another commercial song (And the first I knew it before watching this demo) into the design of a demo..

It is interesting, but questionable still...
rulez added on the 2002-09-20 23:12:57 by Optimus Optimus
Heh, now you can see all demo parts. Upi got his punk ass into datafile and here's a unpacker: > Download <

BTW, it unpacks C.L.O.N.E. too ;)
added on the 2002-09-21 00:29:23 by night_ night_
i'd like to gun down everyone who starts ranting about "ripped" soundtracks from now on.
added on the 2002-09-21 00:36:25 by superplek superplek
after one minute it locks up my G4Ti4200 with 1024x32 bit and texture compression on :( - i liked the music so much i tried again with those settings off and it works!
added on the 2002-09-21 11:00:58 by Zzed Zzed
I love the textures, the music, the ambiance, the scenes, the cams, the explodes, and lot of things.
I hate the "shadow", and... and.... humm.... that's all. But I don't think the coders have progressed between this prod and Clone...

So, if textures and scenes aren't ripped, it rocks !

Critical Mass rulezz !
(even if all is ripped, the results is sex :)
rulez added on the 2002-09-22 03:49:00 by skarab skarab
Is Critical Mass Russian?
rulez added on the 2002-09-22 04:12:19 by comrade comrade
russian of cozzzzzzz
Poor poor sceners, trying to get something original from their minds and so releasing once per year.
I really really hate finding myself out of spare time to implement new effects, or seeing someone else using the same ideas as me in a demo (before me of course).
Figure out how much I like looking at such prods and thinking: "f**k, napster/winmx/morpheus really helps doing demos! gotta get a copy of it!"
And... it's that easy to make a (could be) GOOD prod get that load of thumbs down.That's a shame.
sucks added on the 2002-09-22 14:13:16 by rIO rIO
quality of an actual video game, nothing more, no art in this
textures are good, especially this fenwick, moves of the man are good but his face dont have facial expressions, the result is a cold product without emotions
scenes are too much looping, too repetitive and without story or interest
i dont know the music, so it's not a problem for me, except this music is very basic commercial teenager rock for little girls
Hmhm. Just like others mentioned before, this demo doesn't really trigger any emotions for me.

And even if it already was said 10000 times: Ripping music sucks for several reasons.

IMHO one of the nice things about demos is that all sections of the scene (music, gfx, code,...) have to work together to create one. If commercial music is used, this is at least unfair competition against the musician-part of the scene.

IMHO this should have been disqualified. As it wasn't, it deverses a thumb down.

On a side note:
Rebook: Posting "farb-rausch can learn something here" to every comment thread on pouet.net without any context just makes it even more obvious what kind of stupid twit you are. May I remind you that you don't have any skills whatsoever? Before you keep calling active members of the scene 'lamers', how about moving your ass to some demoparty and maybe release something you've done yourself? Oh well, then again it's maybe easier to accept the fact that you are boring and old, and all you have is the names of once-glory-but-long-dead scenegroups you abuse...
sucks added on the 2002-09-24 07:59:19 by scamp scamp
I like this
BTW : i only did few texture .
I don't know jocker yet but he s very promissing
rulez added on the 2002-09-24 16:25:11 by nytrik nytrik
great graphics, sweet motion too.
sucks added on the 2002-09-24 16:40:37 by skrebbel skrebbel
no need to use/rip commercial song when you can have an original metal music like in this prod
what kind of a fucking bullshit argument is that zone?

does everyone have access to a band?
added on the 2002-09-26 16:32:58 by superplek superplek
nice feeling for colors.
added on the 2002-09-26 18:23:07 by Marisa Marisa
sorry, i don't like this.
though i appreciate the artistical skills which are obviously present, the colour sheme is absolutely screwed up,
the visual motion does not fit the fastgoing music,
and after all i've heard that guano apes song often enough - years ago.
sucks added on the 2002-11-05 16:44:03 by hfr hfr
I'm somewhat against ripping music, but OTOH I love VIP2, State of mind and En haluaisi olla. :-P The music fits the prod IMO and overall the demo is entertaining and looks professional. Ok, so it is lacking effects and is mostly 3d models, but it's a good show.
rulez added on the 2002-11-09 13:59:43 by DiamonDie DiamonDie
and just to remind you: 'En haluaisi' doesn't have ripped soundtrack. respect to damage.
added on the 2002-11-11 19:55:09 by melw melw
even though the ripped soundtrack & poser objects, it's scaring me how good these guys are...
rulez added on the 2002-11-16 11:57:39 by kurli kurli
i think they just liked the song, and it inspired them to "wrap a demo around it" as someone said.... i see nothing wrong with that. preaching about piracy is pathetic - i wonder how many of us have actually bought visual studio, photoshop, or various sequencers (or windows for that matter).

someone said "quality of an actual video game" - and that's the point. at least we have something that's not embarassing to show to our gamemaking collegues. im also sick of this "ART" debate, if you like it good, if you dont, so be it, but why fabricate theories about it being art or not.....

these are just my opinions.
oh and, my vote (if you read it, you already know)
rulez added on the 2003-01-21 23:33:54 by reptile reptile
Ripped music, bad modelling and most of the effects sucked too
sucks added on the 2003-01-25 16:24:03 by shash shash
doesn't work on gf4 ti4200... my screen lost his sync
added on the 2003-03-04 14:50:21 by spengler spengler
the "film scratch" effect was overdone, the textures all look like an Unreal era game and I wouldn't have known the soundtrack was ripped without all the whining here, but even so it doesn't do much for me.
sucks added on the 2003-03-04 20:01:13 by legalize legalize
work perfectly on my gf4 ti4600. Great demo!
rulez added on the 2003-03-10 06:03:15 by codsid codsid
A great demo!!!
All the money( A greek expression)
rulez added on the 2003-04-25 20:35:33 by sybeX sybeX
if you rip music, why not rip models, textures and all the code aswell. just sign your name on it. no credit to the stealers ( yes its illegal)
added on the 2003-05-24 23:51:31 by Speed Speed
DOWNLOAD IT!
added on the 2003-07-22 12:18:48 by qaz qaz
DOWNLOAD IT!
added on the 2003-07-22 12:19:26 by qaz qaz
ENJOY!
rulez added on the 2003-07-22 12:20:13 by qaz qaz
Everybody is Kong-Fu-Fighting...lalala
rulez added on the 2003-10-22 21:06:52 by shaggy shaggy
Huh!?... I didn't expected GuanoApes song there... but demo roxx! I don't like the kung-fu part, but the animation is good! Overally good demo! Nice code!...
rulez added on the 2004-02-12 18:33:52 by mshine mshine
hmhmm i'm really amazed i never commented this. this one has everything i'm supposed to hate:

- boring colours
- ripped music (though properly credited)
- storyboard demo without a storyboard
- 3d flyby-stylee

still, it's one of my all time favourites. BIG ups for the sync, the atmosphere and the modelling. oh and for choosing the ideal cheap solution for the guy's face which fits every non-happy mood. music might be ripped, this demo however simply adds to it. (unlike, imo, vip2 or such, which are very nice and work with the music, but don't add to the song as a standalone audio track). i think this is one of the best demos ever.
added on the 2004-02-12 19:26:42 by skrebbel skrebbel
eh, read "animation" where i said modelling. the static scenes aren't all that special.
added on the 2004-02-12 19:27:45 by skrebbel skrebbel
I like the style.
Using popular commercial music as soundtrack is sucks, anyway.
rulez added on the 2004-09-23 14:46:51 by Frozzy Frozzy
The soundtrack is pure love :) Gotta admit it affects a bit on this thumb. Demo was nice and the mood was just right. Though, some parts were a bit odd... well, ripping do suck, but bad ripping sucks even more... and this is not a bad rip, imho.
rulez added on the 2004-09-23 14:55:27 by Vulture Vulture
ripped music, but it rules
rulez added on the 2004-09-23 15:27:39 by jb jb
especially just after watching some cocoon stuff this looks really silly. (like the all the text elements in the "eye blinking on screens" part in the beginning etcetc)... and it's not even nearly as good. Didn't care much for the music either. blah
added on the 2004-11-16 11:42:42 by dodke dodke
kewl visuals
rulez added on the 2004-12-18 14:35:23 by Pablo Escrollbar Pablo Escrollbar
Whoa. This demo made even Guano Apes sound cool :p Everything just falls into place in this one. Great code, graphics, synchro..
rulez added on the 2004-12-18 16:57:39 by Preacher Preacher
just vote!
rulez added on the 2004-12-18 20:41:51 by zeebr zeebr
Well done: dynamic camera synced to ripped track (Apes aren't really worth taht, imo)
and 2d patterns showing character's inner disorder. Character studio animations (?)
just looked like "we have that feature" and didn't do a good part for me.
On the whole keeps the feeling of "VIP2" big influence.

PS His fingers offend the eyes, sure needed some more polies.
rulez added on the 2004-12-23 20:52:23 by kraviz kraviz
I dislike demos with ripped music, but since most (almost all) scener musicians are techno-beat-it-like-mad or similar styled (with some exceptions, like aMusic and Leviathan by ASD), what can someone who likes rock styled music do when he wants to make a such demo and all those bum-tsaf-bum-tsaf-bum-tsaf musics doesn't mean anything to him?

As for this demo. I liked the music (i never heard it before, btw) and i can see that there was a lot of work in the engine (note that it ran smoothly even on an old P2@333Mhz/128MB RAM with GeForce2ti/32MB i had when i firstly saw it). The textures and the models are also incredible (for a demo)!

The shadows are a bit... hard, but not a "joke" as been said. However they seem a bit out of place :-). And it has very good camera movement.

But i will agree that it has a gameish character. I think that the engine is more a game engine than a demo engine. But i didn't disliked it (i'm fed up with all those abstract, random demos...).

Lastly the runnning animation sucks.
rulez added on the 2005-01-18 17:21:03 by BadSector BadSector
One of the best demos ever made. And i must give thumbs ups about the comment from BadSector and what he said about the music. Everything else is blah blah and doesn`t really show the truth about todays demo musics. And i dont believe, that any demoscene musician could do such a track like this one from Guano Apes. You can? Than please prove it :)
rulez added on the 2005-02-11 15:50:15 by Fzool Fzool
Something between the VIP2 invitation and a music video.
rulez added on the 2005-02-12 02:57:49 by René Madenmann René Madenmann
i wonder if Aenima folks have been inspired by this music demo to render their last masterpiece.
rulez added on the 2005-02-12 11:54:30 by Zest Zest
Ripping Guano Apes shows incredibly bad taste. Are you guys deaf?
sucks added on the 2005-02-19 17:05:37 by asasel asasel
wellmade, but DAMN corny
i love the track.
the code and graphics of the demo are nice.
the demo sucks.
sucks added on the 2005-02-19 19:00:53 by psenough psenough
okay. models and textures are kind so so
added on the 2005-02-19 19:24:05 by uns3en_ uns3en_
Fantastic example of design. Good synch, good camera movement. Perfect example how to direct commercial music
rulez added on the 2005-02-27 11:29:06 by moredhel moredhel
ok. this is a really good prod. Funny is that i hate the music so i don't care it's ripped or not. Music got a '--' :) But everything else is better than ...
rulez added on the 2005-02-27 11:48:03 by AbcuG! AbcuG!
this prod rulez
i like the ghost effect on the "fight the wind" scene
explosions are ugly, but ... what can you expect from exploding triangles ?
rulez added on the 2005-12-26 01:35:59 by Quarryman Quarryman
good effort!
would be a great demo if not a stolen soundtrack
added on the 2006-09-18 15:52:50 by _xiod_ _xiod_
total rulez
rulez added on the 2006-10-19 15:31:04 by BiTL BiTL
OK. I liked the bouncing flameballs.
it is cool for its time, and yes very gamey, but still something different.
added on the 2007-08-31 07:31:50 by skrip skrip
kool
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