DEViANCE isnt death!!
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daxx ok sir i apologize if you are not the one i think you are... i mean that evil nasty troll called dandelion aka stelthz.. and lol memberstealing.. well ydfakoaso i think kb is right... (uuh iam not sucking up anyone, lol, i think he is really right except in that ascii thingie but he is right in certain way i guess) but yeeeeaaaa if you wannt new group you need to find coder coz maybe your friend am^fm wants to join you.. group.. no need some 31337 oldschool name... if you know what i eman. it doesnt make you better if you are member of the silents or trsi or wackadoodledoo-crew. just yo talents. etc. bu tiam tired to explain, i like demoscene more than ansi/ascii scene becoz demoscene is still active (as much as those american ansi/ascii artists tries to say its not) demoscene is still activeee!! wohoo.. i find it still interesting but i still do ansi/ascii just for being sake of oldschool feeling. its cool not lo stinstered of drawing ansi/ascii just for drawing for people .. board .. etc.. and real life graphics, graphic design > over scene stuff anyway... :)
@kb
you got the point. We do it only for fun and if we reach a nice place with a prod like the games in 2k5 and 2k6 on the BP etc. its nice. For sure as example i would never say "we´re the best" or so and its ashamed ( schreibt man das so ;-) if somebody type such a shit.
Even worser is that some fakeaccounts are used to type such a bullshit like "--we´re the best--" or flaming people.
The other point is, that members like am-fm and daxx joined deviance in summer 2006. So its not our cup of tea.
...anyway in my opinion the right way is to enjoy that what is there and not to start with things like amiga is shit, that is shit, this is shit... It should be possible to say - "i like" and not "i hate".
you got the point. We do it only for fun and if we reach a nice place with a prod like the games in 2k5 and 2k6 on the BP etc. its nice. For sure as example i would never say "we´re the best" or so and its ashamed ( schreibt man das so ;-) if somebody type such a shit.
Even worser is that some fakeaccounts are used to type such a bullshit like "--we´re the best--" or flaming people.
The other point is, that members like am-fm and daxx joined deviance in summer 2006. So its not our cup of tea.
...anyway in my opinion the right way is to enjoy that what is there and not to start with things like amiga is shit, that is shit, this is shit... It should be possible to say - "i like" and not "i hate".
hmm... am-fm is very young... but a nice musican with chiptunes and a big knowlege about trackers etc ... :S
...and coders... of course... i have allready one. but he's busy like all coders over the world :D
but finaly its not important if the prod you do is an exe file coded in assembler / c++ or whatever... i think a nice video (mpeg/avi) looks fine too... sure the bytes... 100MB and more... but how a lot of guys said here... its 2007 not 1980 ! ^^
personal i think... a nicely done wild video animation is more for me as a prod done in a demomaker. realtime does'nt work for all ... videos yes :)
...and coders... of course... i have allready one. but he's busy like all coders over the world :D
but finaly its not important if the prod you do is an exe file coded in assembler / c++ or whatever... i think a nice video (mpeg/avi) looks fine too... sure the bytes... 100MB and more... but how a lot of guys said here... its 2007 not 1980 ! ^^
personal i think... a nicely done wild video animation is more for me as a prod done in a demomaker. realtime does'nt work for all ... videos yes :)
Yeah AMI...
We joined Deviance cauz in Tristar was'nt structure about the "artist" area... What i've learn after joining DVN is, that was the same problem there and it was the same problem before in TRSi... And it will be the same problem in another group.
Or maybe not...?
Whatever...
I don't wanna find it out anymore. I just wanna have fun with my own group "Ravebusters" again i found in the 80's ...
But my question is...
"We do it only for fun and if we reach a nice place with a prod like the games..."
Wich kind of fun? Let your members working alone and name it "Tristar-Release" finaly without a real support for the prods of your members ? Wich fun you have now without members? Talking in your chatroom or your messageboard about links from "spiegel.de" or other things? hmmm ...
If you mean, that this is demoscene ... I think you should stop dreaming AMI :) You know... personal i like you but... Your Group died long time ago and you did'nt notice it :)
We joined Deviance cauz in Tristar was'nt structure about the "artist" area... What i've learn after joining DVN is, that was the same problem there and it was the same problem before in TRSi... And it will be the same problem in another group.
Or maybe not...?
Whatever...
I don't wanna find it out anymore. I just wanna have fun with my own group "Ravebusters" again i found in the 80's ...
But my question is...
"We do it only for fun and if we reach a nice place with a prod like the games..."
Wich kind of fun? Let your members working alone and name it "Tristar-Release" finaly without a real support for the prods of your members ? Wich fun you have now without members? Talking in your chatroom or your messageboard about links from "spiegel.de" or other things? hmmm ...
If you mean, that this is demoscene ... I think you should stop dreaming AMI :) You know... personal i like you but... Your Group died long time ago and you did'nt notice it :)
...then i don´t know how it was possible to make a 4k intro, if the group is death...
and daxx.. who said that we´ve no members. I learned from the past to keep things secret. Interpol was a good point to learn this lesson...
There where many people that said often, this crew is alive and that crew is death. Alsong "we" ´ve fun doing new things - its not death.
I mean demoscene is having fun. And not the hunt for the big cunt ;-)
and daxx.. who said that we´ve no members. I learned from the past to keep things secret. Interpol was a good point to learn this lesson...
There where many people that said often, this crew is alive and that crew is death. Alsong "we" ´ve fun doing new things - its not death.
I mean demoscene is having fun. And not the hunt for the big cunt ;-)
the 4k demo is a work of ciclope only... that the best exsample...
but i can't really understand why you're so mad about the fact that we switch to DVN ... finaly we got you an option, that we work for both groups... but you said thats not possible. the same shit said DocD ... but why ? why we can not work for tristar, deviance, scoopex and much other crews ?
we never signed a contact with any crew.
but i can't really understand why you're so mad about the fact that we switch to DVN ... finaly we got you an option, that we work for both groups... but you said thats not possible. the same shit said DocD ... but why ? why we can not work for tristar, deviance, scoopex and much other crews ?
we never signed a contact with any crew.
signed never a contract...
damn fingers..
damn fingers..
AMI : death is a common name, not an adjective.
In english, you have to say being dead.
I had to say it just for the sake of it all :]
In english, you have to say being dead.
I had to say it just for the sake of it all :]
ah no i´m not angry... i said only that you and am-fm changed to DVN coz people wrote often after this you and am-fm are in tristar. and i wanted correct the facts.
so i´m not mad - really i´m not mad, it was only a notation
so i´m not mad - really i´m not mad, it was only a notation
hehe iks,
oki =))) i will never again say death - dead... or darth... the crew is darth - a common name for evil. =))
oki =))) i will never again say death - dead... or darth... the crew is darth - a common name for evil. =))
Instead of flaming each other you should work on nice production to show that you are skilled in Demos / Intros or something else ...
What i personal dont like are peoples spending more time in posting so called news or fighting each others instead of producing something nice, this is a wellknown problem of the actual scene.
The guys really working hard, dont want to spend so much time in forums, they prefer to work on production to show their skills in upcoming parties.
I think everybody will be excited to see something from "loud guys here" that is the only thing that counts.
Ever seen productive guys here flaming each other ?
No this guys use another playground to solve their problems , and which is also important they solve their problems not official.
What i personal dont like are peoples spending more time in posting so called news or fighting each others instead of producing something nice, this is a wellknown problem of the actual scene.
The guys really working hard, dont want to spend so much time in forums, they prefer to work on production to show their skills in upcoming parties.
I think everybody will be excited to see something from "loud guys here" that is the only thing that counts.
Ever seen productive guys here flaming each other ?
No this guys use another playground to solve their problems , and which is also important they solve their problems not official.
maybe where you're going wrong is, you keep joining groups with things called "leaders" or "organisers". :) that's a pretty clear sign things are going to be fucked up from the start, isnt it?
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to me real ascii scene died when oldschool people left it.. 1997? 1998?
unseen, talk to some people of the 1st generation, like rotox or desert. and then you'll see that a thing like an ascii scene wasn't even supposed to happen. people just did logos for their friends and boards. and in fact, many 1st generation people quitted ascii as soon as a "scene" emerged (1992-1993). and i think they kinda were right.
sure i'm still partof the "ascii scene" - but the most important thing is doing logos for friends. else there is no use.
h2o, 100% ack.
what dip said :
= pure truth <3.
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but the most important thing is doing logos for friends. else there is no use.
= pure truth <3.
and since i'm everybody's second best friend i should start making the one or another request right now. =)
I think the trick is that some dudes here (let's take pouet's exemple) prefer to spend their time in order to show off (or flame, becaus more you flame => tuffer you are) or simply to gain more point (gloups if you prefer) by writing a simple "OK".
Certain, it is nice to have a small glance at new/old prods and have a small conversation change (especially when you had a break), but it should have a balance.
The scene lost its flavour. It is too opened (from one point it is OK 'cause new talented ppl may merge in, from another, there is lack of respect towards each other) so it looses its mystical atmosphere...
Certain, it is nice to have a small glance at new/old prods and have a small conversation change (especially when you had a break), but it should have a balance.
The scene lost its flavour. It is too opened (from one point it is OK 'cause new talented ppl may merge in, from another, there is lack of respect towards each other) so it looses its mystical atmosphere...
new talented people? where? dont tell me you missed all the scene is dying debates .. tho, considering your cluelessness, it wouldnt even surprise me you didnt.
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maybe where you're going wrong is, you keep joining groups with things called "leaders" or "organisers". :) that's a pretty clear sign things are going to be fucked up from the start, isnt it?
Word.
@unseen / Dip ...
I think i might tell something about the "death" of the ascii scene :)
Well there is today not a big usage for this kind of art, offcause i personal like it.
We had the big times with the BBS system, it was nice to see your work on the Logonscreen of all big boards.
As artist you got respect from all people, we started founding groups, Skin & Amblin made "unreal" "artcore" "fire and ice" was born, more followed up.
A new kind of art-scene was born and it was nice.
It lived also from some messages each artist included in his productions. Fights with respects and disrespects came up :)
But to be honest biggest advantage was to get a disabled leech account on the big boards for doing them an logo ...
Today nobody takes care on nfos or asciis on servers ...
Sorry to say that. Oh yes some like us do ... the rest is just searching for the serial number in the text file, which they cannot read at all.
We / you practice art in a subculture, and its still fun, but its really not needed anymore.
But who cares its fun , nothing else
I think i might tell something about the "death" of the ascii scene :)
Well there is today not a big usage for this kind of art, offcause i personal like it.
We had the big times with the BBS system, it was nice to see your work on the Logonscreen of all big boards.
As artist you got respect from all people, we started founding groups, Skin & Amblin made "unreal" "artcore" "fire and ice" was born, more followed up.
A new kind of art-scene was born and it was nice.
It lived also from some messages each artist included in his productions. Fights with respects and disrespects came up :)
But to be honest biggest advantage was to get a disabled leech account on the big boards for doing them an logo ...
Today nobody takes care on nfos or asciis on servers ...
Sorry to say that. Oh yes some like us do ... the rest is just searching for the serial number in the text file, which they cannot read at all.
We / you practice art in a subculture, and its still fun, but its really not needed anymore.
But who cares its fun , nothing else
so true.
Also they usually are the same people claiming all around the world "WE RULE SINCE 198x!!!" whereas they never quite produced anything interesting or joined 10 years later.
Their best talent is usually to use ancient glory, the one brought by two or three guys who once produced a GOOD DEMO back in the late 90's. That's basically all those groups are usually good at...
Also they usually are the same people claiming all around the world "WE RULE SINCE 198x!!!" whereas they never quite produced anything interesting or joined 10 years later.
Their best talent is usually to use ancient glory, the one brought by two or three guys who once produced a GOOD DEMO back in the late 90's. That's basically all those groups are usually good at...
back in the late 80's sorry :)
YEAH FLAME THOSE PEOPLE TO DEAD 11
HAIL TO THE 3DMARK2008LOOKALIKE-, SCREENSAVER-, TECHDEMO SCENE AND ALL THOSE GREAT GROUPS !111111
HAIL TO THE 3DMARK2008LOOKALIKE-, SCREENSAVER-, TECHDEMO SCENE AND ALL THOSE GREAT GROUPS !111111
hmm.. i noticied that if you wanna do the whole "oldskool-elite-group-artscenen-demodivision"-thingy you need to use some of the following keywords:
*recruite <insert occupation>
*hire <insert occupation>
*artscene
*demodivision
*groupleader
and the rest of th recipe goes..
and it's also importent to have atleast 20 members. the graphicians and musician producing kickass OLDSKOOL graphics and the coder producing crap code.
oh, it's also importent to recruit old crackers that thing that demos might be cool, and blame their crappy demos on that they actually can code and that their cracks rule.
don't forget to thumb up your own prods, then later go on and say it's lame to thumb on your own stuff...
and the most importent of things, now everything about the artscene and all your other fellow OLDSKOOL groups (that where started after 2002)... even though you joined the scene in the late spring of 2006.
ah yes. and if you wanna be the groupleader... it's importent that you focus on just leading the group, maybe do some OLDSKOOL ascii too.. but nothing else.. it will destroy your career as a groupleader..
*recruite <insert occupation>
*hire <insert occupation>
*artscene
*demodivision
*groupleader
and the rest of th recipe goes..
and it's also importent to have atleast 20 members. the graphicians and musician producing kickass OLDSKOOL graphics and the coder producing crap code.
oh, it's also importent to recruit old crackers that thing that demos might be cool, and blame their crappy demos on that they actually can code and that their cracks rule.
don't forget to thumb up your own prods, then later go on and say it's lame to thumb on your own stuff...
and the most importent of things, now everything about the artscene and all your other fellow OLDSKOOL groups (that where started after 2002)... even though you joined the scene in the late spring of 2006.
ah yes. and if you wanna be the groupleader... it's importent that you focus on just leading the group, maybe do some OLDSKOOL ascii too.. but nothing else.. it will destroy your career as a groupleader..
oh, i forgot it, the best thing is if your artdivision can merge with some old crack group and start a demodivision....
then you can use their name, and do the whole "ruling since 198x" thing ;D
then you can use their name, and do the whole "ruling since 198x" thing ;D