The 5th Annual Scene Awards
category: general [glöplog]
indeed, you should tell in advance what to produce to win
or be part of the jury so you can select your own work :)
yeah, that's how TBL always gets in the charts.
IMO "best effects" serves a purpose "best technical achievement" doesn't - separating between size-coding and effect-coding. Is that important? I don't know, to be honest...
I agree with my new groupmate. ;)
I agree with my whirling dervishe mate. ;)
kusma: yeah, now i remember that being your point at BP last year ;) But if we want to reward coding efforts, how should we call the award? Best effects is fine to me, but it seems not to apply much to modern demoscene...
how about "seemingly best effects"?
"best effects. or something".
"best fake" :D
"best demo by shitfaced clowns"
longest precalc?
"most effective crowdpleaser"
"Best effect" category is ok imo and it's wrong to think that it's only coders stuff. A good demo effect is usually the result of a cooperation between a coder and an artist nowadays.
In the 68000 days it was 100% coder stuff, ok, but it's not anymore :)
In the 68000 days it was 100% coder stuff, ok, but it's not anymore :)
keops: That's kind of my point though... if 'best effect' is intended to recognise the cooperation between a coder and an artist, then it's very close to overlapping with 'best demo'... and meanwhile there's no category that recognises pure coding achievement.
I hesitate to give any concrete examples because it's bound to either offend someone or descend into a war of opinions, but I think it's uncontroversial enough to say that Shizzle is one demo where the coding achievement far outweighs the artistic merits. "But Shizzle got nominated in the oldskool/alternative category - isn't that enough?!" I hear you cry. Yes, but it lost out to Boogie Factor, and again I think it's fairly universally accepted that Boogie Factor won on the strength of its art and design rather than code. In short, there is no category to properly recognise the raw heroic coding effort of something like Shizzle.
(I'm sure someone will now paint my opinion as "the scene.org awards suck because boogie factor won and shizzle didn't". In anticipation of this, I shall now bang my head against this wall. *thunk* *thunk*)
kusma: true, "technical achievement" would also include size-coding, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing - "best 64k intro" is not the same as "best achievement in size-coding".
I hesitate to give any concrete examples because it's bound to either offend someone or descend into a war of opinions, but I think it's uncontroversial enough to say that Shizzle is one demo where the coding achievement far outweighs the artistic merits. "But Shizzle got nominated in the oldskool/alternative category - isn't that enough?!" I hear you cry. Yes, but it lost out to Boogie Factor, and again I think it's fairly universally accepted that Boogie Factor won on the strength of its art and design rather than code. In short, there is no category to properly recognise the raw heroic coding effort of something like Shizzle.
(I'm sure someone will now paint my opinion as "the scene.org awards suck because boogie factor won and shizzle didn't". In anticipation of this, I shall now bang my head against this wall. *thunk* *thunk*)
kusma: true, "technical achievement" would also include size-coding, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing - "best 64k intro" is not the same as "best achievement in size-coding".
Gasman: true but in my mind, best demo and best effect are 2 totally different things. A demo is a whole thing, with a mood, a progression, an atmopshere.
An effect is more about the oldskool hardcore show, the few seconds that make you go "wow, amazing effect", the part of the demo you had never seen anywhere else before that can even become, in the best case, a common name used by everybody (a rotozoom, a bitbender, etc...)
An effect is more about the oldskool hardcore show, the few seconds that make you go "wow, amazing effect", the part of the demo you had never seen anywhere else before that can even become, in the best case, a common name used by everybody (a rotozoom, a bitbender, etc...)
so, basically you say "best effect" is why aura for laura rocks so much, whereas "best demo" is why aura for laura rocks so much!
How about mentioning the sceners who passed away during ceremony ?
I mean, it's just some words more but those would for sure touch other groups member's and friends hearts.
(I was even thinking about some short slide showing most outstanding prods where he/she have been involved, but maybe it's me pushing too far...)
I mean, it's just some words more but those would for sure touch other groups member's and friends hearts.
(I was even thinking about some short slide showing most outstanding prods where he/she have been involved, but maybe it's me pushing too far...)
Evil: I'm sure you have the best intentions with your suggestion, but for fucks sake...
I concur with Slummy.
What Slummy and Gargaj said...
best beer drinker category, and this would be judged by given me and some other sceners a shitload (let's say like 10 crates) of beer on friday and who ever is still up when the ceremony begins is the winner.
slummy: well yes...
anyways... next!
anyways... next!
nosfe's propositions sounds much better already.
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I concur with Slummy.
I know you rightfully slammed me for the "status = deceased" gaffe, but coming from the person who so morbidly keeps the deceased page up to date, I'd say you're one hell of a kettle.
Evil: While I'm all in favor in remembering the people who passed away a tad too soon, the Scene.org Awards is not the place, really.