sceneid.net: OpenID fairy dust for the demoscene
category: general [glöplog]
BTW, are you aware of the Streisand Effect? At the moment I'm writing this already 4 of the last 10 searches on Slengpung are for your name.
battle: very true. these data miners do not care where their data comes from and can use it just as effectively with or without our consent.
i should read threads properly before replying with moot points :)
i should read threads properly before replying with moot points :)
melwyn: See that's a lot more reasonable already :). I still strongly object to opt-out databases, but it's nice not to have the arrogant "we'll remove your pictures if you beg for it and we feel like it" message at least.
sparcus: I did notice. Fame yay!
Amitari: It's not that I'm concerned about data mining especially. It's rather if somebody actually wants to use specific information in an intelligent way. Unscrupulous corporations, misguided government/law enforcement, fraudsters, mafia, jealous colleagues, your boss, terrorists even, or just your friends who are out to make a little fun of you, there are lots of people who understand the value of personal information. It's strange to see that so many sceners don't, especially given the roots of the scene. That's what the handles were all about back then.
sparcus: I did notice. Fame yay!
Amitari: It's not that I'm concerned about data mining especially. It's rather if somebody actually wants to use specific information in an intelligent way. Unscrupulous corporations, misguided government/law enforcement, fraudsters, mafia, jealous colleagues, your boss, terrorists even, or just your friends who are out to make a little fun of you, there are lots of people who understand the value of personal information. It's strange to see that so many sceners don't, especially given the roots of the scene. That's what the handles were all about back then.
Indeed, I'm starting to think I misrepresented the scene when I mentionned to this TV reporter how we were particularly apt at handling issues such as protecting our identity on the internet.
Ohh, and to preempt the inevitable suggestion that government/law enforcement is nothing to worry about, consider that we have quite a few Russian sceners these days. And no offence to them, but I have some (second-hand) knowledge of the conditions there, and it's very, very far from Scandinavian social liberalism.
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That's what the handles were all about back then.
1987: Crackers adopted handles so that their illegal activities couldn't be traced back to their real-world identities.
1997: Demosceners adopted handles so that the photos on the internet of them unconscious and covered in vomit couldn't be traced back to their real-world identities.
2007: Boozesceners start worrying that the photos on the internet of them unconscious and covered in vomit might get traced back to their respectable demoscene identities.
Hmm. That settles it then - people are just going to have to do all their drinking under a different nick. No, let me rephrase that. I wonder how many sceners *are* actually doing their drinking under a different nick these days... :-)
Gasman: The more I read about your ideas, about demozoo, about linking stuff together, the more I'm I think you should be kicked out from admin position on Pouet.
Seriously, you are doing things in the back of people. I've never been asked if you could rip and duplicate my PERSONAL data from pouet to create your own (Web 2.0 lame looking) vanity scene project.
I ask you formaly to remove from demozoo, from now on, and forever, everything related to Next, Defence Force, Dbug, all associated screen-shots, links etc...
The next step is of course to modify the settings of my apache server to automatically replace the downloads from demozoon IP by some random "Illegal download" picture or executable.
The beauty of the unique ID for all sites, is of course the fact it's a marvelous way to rip out all scene id login and passwords.
All I need to do is to create a new website with a cool name, and a login page, or a facebook application to "automatically show the content of pouet", whatever, and let people enter their login and passwords.
(After all, who would not trust a site which displays this:"Demozoo is powered by SceneID, purveyors of wonderful universal accounts for the demoscene. If you've got an account at Pouët (or scene.org, MacScene, demoparty.net, PAiN...) then you have one already, and you can use those login details here. If not, sign up today!" )
And tada, I'm populating my own list of login/passwords I can use everywhere, which makes it so easy to comment for other people, start flamewars, etc...
It's really what the scene need: Replace things that work by things we do not need.
(and no, I don't want to be automatically linked to slengpung, some people don't even know slengpung, and it's a good thing thanks-you-very-much)
Seriously, you are doing things in the back of people. I've never been asked if you could rip and duplicate my PERSONAL data from pouet to create your own (Web 2.0 lame looking) vanity scene project.
I ask you formaly to remove from demozoo, from now on, and forever, everything related to Next, Defence Force, Dbug, all associated screen-shots, links etc...
The next step is of course to modify the settings of my apache server to automatically replace the downloads from demozoon IP by some random "Illegal download" picture or executable.
The beauty of the unique ID for all sites, is of course the fact it's a marvelous way to rip out all scene id login and passwords.
All I need to do is to create a new website with a cool name, and a login page, or a facebook application to "automatically show the content of pouet", whatever, and let people enter their login and passwords.
(After all, who would not trust a site which displays this:"Demozoo is powered by SceneID, purveyors of wonderful universal accounts for the demoscene. If you've got an account at Pouët (or scene.org, MacScene, demoparty.net, PAiN...) then you have one already, and you can use those login details here. If not, sign up today!" )
And tada, I'm populating my own list of login/passwords I can use everywhere, which makes it so easy to comment for other people, start flamewars, etc...
It's really what the scene need: Replace things that work by things we do not need.
(and no, I don't want to be automatically linked to slengpung, some people don't even know slengpung, and it's a good thing thanks-you-very-much)
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I ask you formaly to remove from demozoo, from now on, and forever, everything related to Next, Defence Force, Dbug, all associated screen-shots, links etc...
Ah, so a screenshot or a download link of a demo that was released into the public is now *personal data*
... is now *personal data* too?
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Gasman: The more I read about your ideas, about demozoo, about linking stuff together, the more I'm I think you should be kicked out from admin position on Pouet.
Seriously, you are doing things in the back of people. I've never been asked if you could rip and duplicate my PERSONAL data from pouet to create your own (Web 2.0 lame looking) vanity scene project.
The only personal data of yours which exists on Pouet is your name and email address, as far as I can see. I have never ripped that data. In fact, to my knowledge I've never ripped *any* data from Pouet or anywhere else which couldn't have been scraped from a publicly available page anyway. The only way I've taken advantage of my admin position is to set up scripts to make that easier. If I was kicked out tomorrow, I'd still continue what I was doing on demozoo. It would just make my job needlessly difficult, that's all.
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I ask you formaly to remove from demozoo, from now on, and forever, everything related to Next, Defence Force, Dbug, all associated screen-shots, links etc...
What sparcus said.
Come on, a screenshot of a demo you released is a privacy invasion now? You release stuff on the scene, it becomes available to the public, people collect it. That's always been the deal. The statement "scener X released demo Y" is public domain information.
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The next step is of course to modify the settings of my apache server to automatically replace the downloads from demozoon IP by some random "Illegal download" picture or executable.
Whatever. Your server, you make the rules.
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The beauty of the unique ID for all sites, is of course the fact it's a marvelous way to rip out all scene id login and passwords.
Yes, sceneid.net is. (And so is any other site with a 'traditional' SceneID login.) If you're worried about that, DON'T FUCKING USE IT. Oh, wait, the whole point of this thread was to introduce a system where You Don't Actually Have To Give Your Password To The Site You're Logging Into (and have complete freedom of choice over the third-party you *do* give your password to).
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All I need to do is to create a new website with a cool name, and a login page, or a facebook application to "automatically show the content of pouet", whatever, and let people enter their login and passwords.
Yes. Good luck with that.
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And tada, I'm populating my own list of login/passwords I can use everywhere, which makes it so easy to comment for other people, start flamewars, etc...
Because I've been doing a lot of that in the time I've had full unrestricted access to the Pouet database, haven't I?
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It's really what the scene need: Replace things that work by things we do not need.
So good of you to decide on behalf of the demoscene what they need or want.
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(and no, I don't want to be automatically linked to slengpung, some people don't even know slengpung, and it's a good thing thanks-you-very-much)
Newsflash: You're not automatically linked to slengpung any more.
After reading all this I'm damn certain we won't EVER allow direct sceneid/openid login at slengpung :) that's when your boss could log in and see all the real nifty pictures we keep hidden from the public but open to sceners..
Doom: My camera is broken, so no pictures, sorry. Did puke in a trashcan though, but I'm sure you can visualice that without any..
Doom: My camera is broken, so no pictures, sorry. Did puke in a trashcan though, but I'm sure you can visualice that without any..
Hehe, what if your boss is a scener too? (Nope, not mine, but I know people who do have such a boss :-)
Then your boss is present at those parties where the pictures are taken anyway.. ;)
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that's when your boss could log in and see all the real nifty pictures we keep hidden from the public but open to sceners..
how about having some control over pics of yourself, facebook style (show this picture to my friends / all sceners / everyone)?
anyway, personally i'm not too concerned. there's plenty of nifty pictures shown to the public as well, and a bossman could find his way onto slengpung to see them, but why would he? and if he would, why would he care? would you get fired because your boss sees you puking at a party? what kind of jobs do you guys have?
furthermore, i really don't get all the whining about this sceneid/openid thing. from what i've seen it's not a breach of privacy any more than the current login methods are. after all you can decide for yourself which sites to use your data on.
reed: that might be a good idea and as such is duely noted..
now if only we could find anyone willing to to work on slengpung developementr...
gasman: maybe you can do it if you're bored, but no openid!
now if only we could find anyone willing to to work on slengpung developementr...
gasman: maybe you can do it if you're bored, but no openid!
yeah, what kind of assholes do you guys work for
I thought the question's was not your current boss, but your future boss.
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I wonder how many sceners *are* actually doing their drinking under a different nick these days... :-)
I actually do my drinking under at least two different nicks... And thus only half* of the nifty pictures are on slengpung, whoaa! :)
(*well, actually much less.)
ps. Dbug, [imo] your post is so stupid, I somewhat started wondering if you are serious or is that just a bad joke...
Not everybody can afford not to work for an employer who has a somewhat strict policy. If your face somehow is associated to a company, that company will not want to see that face associated with someone who swims around in his own puke in Germany. It just ain't gonna happen. And don't tell me that all those corporate whores out there havent done such things themselves. They have just been lucky/smart enough not to do it at such public places. Problem is that demoparties are somewhat semi-public. I guess most demosceners would say they are amongst friends while partying at say breakpoint or kindergarden. And if those friends where to take photos and put it on the web isnt such a big thing, the problem is when you tag the images and let uncle google index everything. The image itself isn't a problem.
I'd prefer removing visible nametags from slengpung but keep the images ordered by partyname/year. Everyone who should know who did what, will know.
I'd prefer removing visible nametags from slengpung but keep the images ordered by partyname/year. Everyone who should know who did what, will know.
dudes, be your own bosses :P
stefan: you often go by the name lator in your company then? :)
leijaa: slengpung has "also known as", and yeah. iam very often called "stefan" :)
I would opt for a choice to "tag" your images. Ie, you don't actually remove the images (i see no reason why to remove old images anyways) but you just don't name tag them and you don't accept comments who reveals the poser. This way it would still be possible to find peoples images if you are curious, but you cant find them doing the helicopter unless they actually agreed to it. It's basically the easy-to-locate thing I am against, handles are reveled on quite many sites anyways. The actual content is not the problem (hey if you actually do an helicopter on stage at breakpoint - demoscene people will know).
.. along with x other people in the world :)
also, there is the "show my information to public ?" checkbox. clicking that surely helps people from finding you with a longer name.
and yeah, i know, it's a secondary option to you but it is an option at least :)
also, there is the "show my information to public ?" checkbox. clicking that surely helps people from finding you with a longer name.
and yeah, i know, it's a secondary option to you but it is an option at least :)
and the "along with" was for being called stefan. i was googling just that why writing the post so you managed to get in between..