NVision 08
category: general [glöplog]
Think of it as a painter getting a superior set of new sable hair brushes to inspire him to create a great painting.
gloom : some people will obviously think of it as a way to get a new computer without anything in return though, but that you already expected :)
The scene being founded on piracy, it is only natural to think of it as loot. ;)
Seriously, I hope that Nvidia will end up feeling that they got their money's worth from the demoscene here. Sponsoring an event is one thing, sponsoring equipment like this is another. Most likely, however, the first will disappear if the latter does not work out. Or have you got that covered?
Seriously, I hope that Nvidia will end up feeling that they got their money's worth from the demoscene here. Sponsoring an event is one thing, sponsoring equipment like this is another. Most likely, however, the first will disappear if the latter does not work out. Or have you got that covered?
Archmage: Both the event and the sponsorship are "firsts". There is a reason why there are (only) two compos at NVScene: simply -- this is the first time this is being done, so let's see what happens.
My personal opinion: if the event and compos go well, there is a good chance that NVIDIA will want to repeat it, and perhaps also scale it upwards.
One thing to keep in mind though: this is _not_ like the Intel Demo Competition -- this is sooo much cooler. At least I think so. :)
My personal opinion: if the event and compos go well, there is a good chance that NVIDIA will want to repeat it, and perhaps also scale it upwards.
One thing to keep in mind though: this is _not_ like the Intel Demo Competition -- this is sooo much cooler. At least I think so. :)
what about those who are actually doing a demo though? will all of that stop because of idiots who want free stuff?
I registered to NVscene because I'm actually going and preparing a demo, the demobox was a pleasant surprise.
I registered to NVscene because I'm actually going and preparing a demo, the demobox was a pleasant surprise.
I was more thinking about the NVIDIA sponsorship of BP.
LiraNuna: Don't worry. There is a pretty good screening-process in place to catch attempts at fraud.
Archmage: I don't see the two being related, but of course, I cannot answer for what NVIDIA are thinking. Instead of theorizing the worst possible outcome, let's rather look at the two as great (and separate) opportunities. :)
Archmage: I don't see the two being related, but of course, I cannot answer for what NVIDIA are thinking. Instead of theorizing the worst possible outcome, let's rather look at the two as great (and separate) opportunities. :)
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Think of it as a painter getting a superior set of new sable hair brushes to inspire him to create a great painting.
I understand that perfectly. But take mfx xbox360 asm demo from last year. I like it, but lot's of ppl thought about it as "a free xbox". I'm not saying it's a bad demo, I like it, but being PC a "standard platform" lots of low quality demos can apear.
For a real example now: can he get one? He may or not release something at BP this year.
the difference here is that you dont only get the hardware, you also get the EVENT, and NVIDIA will spread your entries, and all that stuff.
there's lot more to it than just the hardware.
there's lot more to it than just the hardware.
NO FREE STUFF IS TEH GREATESTEST! THERES NOTHING MOAR!
*sigh* :)
*sigh* :)
gargaj: the event that hardly any of us get to go to, unless the next big announcement is something about nvidia hiring a 747 from heathrow to san jose just for sceners. :)
So some people get new machines, NVidia gets a bunch of promotional demos and some people with a lot of cash get some sort of a party?
I don't get it :/
I don't get it :/
Free hardware? I'm in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111
smash: the event location is always good for some and less perfect for others - think about what the US guys can think about EU parties.
okkie:
1. new machines are optional, if people dont want, they can just send demos without applying. it simply should be treated as incentive to make cool stuff.
2. depends on whether you call the demos "promotional", there's no obligation to have any mention of NV* in any of the stuff so it's not any more promotional than the assembly stuff is to assembly organizers (although notably a lot of e.g. Function's fame comes from the products, so you are partly right there)
3. see above - it is unfortunate for the non-us sceners (which is 99%) that it's over the pond, we know, but it's a US demoparty, that's all i can say about it. the same way a, say, spanish party tends to cater mainly towards the spanish sceners, nvision/nvscene is a US-centered event; but that obviously doesnt exclude any of the other sceners. so while it is rather hard to visit, entering the competitions should be as easy as other parties that allow this.
the concept was to create yet another party with a slightly different construction than the other ones ("corporate-built", if you wish), both to have a party that has a well-known name behind it and to have a larger party in the US that might be able to incite some american kids to finally grab a compiler and start coding.
the way i see it, it's basically finally a moment when a considerable entity actually acknowledges the demoscene as itself and provides a playground for it.
okkie:
1. new machines are optional, if people dont want, they can just send demos without applying. it simply should be treated as incentive to make cool stuff.
2. depends on whether you call the demos "promotional", there's no obligation to have any mention of NV* in any of the stuff so it's not any more promotional than the assembly stuff is to assembly organizers (although notably a lot of e.g. Function's fame comes from the products, so you are partly right there)
3. see above - it is unfortunate for the non-us sceners (which is 99%) that it's over the pond, we know, but it's a US demoparty, that's all i can say about it. the same way a, say, spanish party tends to cater mainly towards the spanish sceners, nvision/nvscene is a US-centered event; but that obviously doesnt exclude any of the other sceners. so while it is rather hard to visit, entering the competitions should be as easy as other parties that allow this.
the concept was to create yet another party with a slightly different construction than the other ones ("corporate-built", if you wish), both to have a party that has a well-known name behind it and to have a larger party in the US that might be able to incite some american kids to finally grab a compiler and start coding.
the way i see it, it's basically finally a moment when a considerable entity actually acknowledges the demoscene as itself and provides a playground for it.
I think the word "critical mass" is what I like to use to describe it. It's what the scene has always needed: enough people and enough enthusiasm at one moment in time = a local scene is sparked.
Also, the concept of "competition" usually works well with americans, so EU scene FTW at NVScene could be just what the doctor ordered. :)
Also, the concept of "competition" usually works well with americans, so EU scene FTW at NVScene could be just what the doctor ordered. :)
i think i came too late for this thread. i don't have to say anything important, anyway.
But it's not a real competition. The real winner will be in the 3rd or 4th place.
that just underlines that it's real :)
I love (well no, more like hate) how at least one of the heels in this propaganda cockfest was actually part of a norwegian demoparty gone to waste because of commercial demands, then tried to save it and gave up on it -after what I still consider a valiant attempt.
Then this happens. Have you not learned?
Then this happens. Have you not learned?
Hehe, well, there are a lot of differences here, so I can't really see that the two cases are comparable. First off; TG (or at least, the demo part of it) went haywire because of two very simple things:
1) Bad timing (aka. Mekka/Symposium)
2) Bad people (an overweight of people on the board wanted BIGGER rather than BETTER)
Secondly: we're not talking about "saving a party gone bad" here, we are talking about a whole new event, spawned by completely different ideals. Yes, the hall and the power and the beamer are paid with money from a company; big whoop. I suggest you (and any other lurking nay-sayers) read the interview with Temis Nunez in ZINE #13 for more.
..and I still love you, you freakishly strange dutchman you :)
1) Bad timing (aka. Mekka/Symposium)
2) Bad people (an overweight of people on the board wanted BIGGER rather than BETTER)
Secondly: we're not talking about "saving a party gone bad" here, we are talking about a whole new event, spawned by completely different ideals. Yes, the hall and the power and the beamer are paid with money from a company; big whoop. I suggest you (and any other lurking nay-sayers) read the interview with Temis Nunez in ZINE #13 for more.
..and I still love you, you freakishly strange dutchman you :)
to counter all the nay-sayers: i think it's an awesome idea! will watch the stream! (there'll be a stream right?)
Also, there is a slight difference between "commercial company thinks that investing into the demoscene might be useful" and "bunch of party organizers think that by making a perfectly nice demoparty big and commercial they'll become famous and rich".
Let's keep that in mind: It's not the commercial world that killed the once beloved big demoparties, it's not the gamers. It's the lame organizers who had lost their roots and sold their soul because they ill-advised thought that local or commercial fame earns them more than doing something for their family.
Let's keep that in mind: It's not the commercial world that killed the once beloved big demoparties, it's not the gamers. It's the lame organizers who had lost their roots and sold their soul because they ill-advised thought that local or commercial fame earns them more than doing something for their family.
Actually, gloom's quest for glory via demoscene outreach is rather pathetic.
Stefan: Let`s talk about your colorschemes, shall we? :)
zinnnng :)