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Call me old-fashioned, but I have difficulty thinking of music in any other way except as albums or singles. But then again, I mostly listen to more "traditional" music and not that much electronic stuff etc.

Also, I applaud the idea.

great idea.

does genre search not work? i'd love a focus on that one, especially once it grows. i find it rather hard to find good free music on netlabels, at least, that fit my tastes; this is closely related to netlabels' stubborn insistance that a two-paragraph story (in german and english) with fake poetry and empty yadayada is more valuable than "genre: deep house". i have the idea a site such as yours could help fix that, especially if netlabels start putting their albums on it.

I'd prefer a cd type format too. It gives you flexibility - you can have a series of tunes that should be played together actually together, with the track list, artwork and notes, in a nice standard format. And there's no reason why you can't have a single song on a cd, or more than 80 minutes on one if it's online and you want that.

I think the disc-shelf layout is better than the soundcloud one too... i found myself looking at soundcloud for a while wondering what it was about. Not that there isn't room for improvement on disc shelf mind :)

gloom: Disc Shelf is also really fast. It doesn't make file sharing easy because it is not a file sharing service - with all the good Internet connections today, which will only become better, the focus is for listeners to come, look at the album, read the booklet and simply listen to it. There is a download option, but I agree it's implementation is not the best (you should right-click on the player and choose Download this track)
Soundcloud obviously has different goals and to me it does not look too beautiful - simply functional (and also a bit confusing, tbh).

rest of the guys: yeah, genre is not yet functional, I am working on it, it will be up in a few days, I think during the weekends. DS certainly has room for improvement and I will continue to work on it. My goal so that while being functional, it remains simple, unbloated and transparent for both artists and listeners.

it turned out that it was not highlighted that the initial album status is "private" (so that visitors cannot reach empty albums). Some people added albums but thought that there is a moderation process of some sort. In reality all they had to do was make albums public. Today in the eve I will make this bold so that on your artist profile you clearly see what album has what status.

The volume control on the player is severely f*ck*d up. It will not do the mouseUp event if the mouse button is released outside of the control itself, yet the "calibration" for mouse position and volume is quite wrong... so I can't just release the mouse button while I have set the maximum volume for some reason.

Otherwise nice site :)

soundcloud is so web v2.0 caricatural, aesthetically speaking :p

Jcl: true, though ironically it does not happen in IE. It happens with Firefox. on the other hand I found that simply making your speakers a bit louder is still more effective than trying using volume of the player. Anyway, atm I cannot fix it as it seems to be a Flash problem.

I still don't get the use.
There are netlabels, there is last.fm...

Stop duplicating the intarwebz!

Zest: Yeah, it is a bit web 2.0 hooplah-gooplah, but you can't argue with the functionality or ease of use. I especially love how the upload processor swallows every possible file format. I think we're at a point in time where this kind of functionality is to be expected of web services. I hate having to pre-process all of my music files before uploading somewhere.

knl: perhaps it is a matter of choice. Like - why develop a new music sequencer when there are so many anyway? But new soft is always created. I created Disc Shelf first of all because I wanted such a service myself. I wanted it to do exactly what it does. Last.fm and netlabels did not give me what I needed.

New softwares are, in general, created in order to bring new fonctionnalities.. or old ones back :D

So basically, your idea is that it's simple, only give whats its all about.. and of course, no rating and comments (I understand that as well as its the reason why I asked for a removal of all my tunes from bitfellas, I just can't stand stupid cunt rating 2 because "they dislike", my ego feels sorry about it).

Why not afterall, but you have to admit that it will be considered as "one more website where musician can promote their ass" and some people might feel bored about it.

Good luck with it.

hehe. ANY music site can then be considered as "one more website where musician can promote their ass", including this place.
anyway, Disc Shelf is a service that allows you to create music albums in the Internet and it's as original as it gets. It has it's unique features. Those who will like them will use Disc Shelf. Those who don't - will use Last.fm though I never knew you could upload albums to last.fm. I thought it was some radio or a playlist manager of some sort

Actually, you can upload your music or your netlabel/label music on last.fm.
It's called the music manager, you decide either to let the people stream it limited, fully or stream + download the tracks.

Like this: http://www.last.fm/music/kaneel/La+pink+note
or: http://www.last.fm/music/kaneel/I%27ve+Sketched+It+A+While+Ago

kaneel: But then you don't get the cover art and the tracklisting like a normal CD.. oh, wait..

:)

wat? :p

popular sites usually become bloated because of the inflation of new features which could be useful of course but at the end they end being bloated.

the google way is the right one imho : google main page has kept its original simplicity while yahoo became a heavyweight portal.

and the galaxy of google services is supervast but each service stays simple.

i google :)

last.fm is just an other way to get more friendly urls when someone search for you.

Instead, I prefer people come on our netlabel websites and share the cuteness. Everyone can upload music everywhere, everyone can be on a netlabel but some netlabels are keeping a kind of control on the content so it fits the netlabel and so, people know they may enjoy the new releases... you know guys, just like labels were working, back when you were buying vinyls and cds...

Zest: I think you're wrongly analyzing the success of Google. Yes, their main page is really simple, but that is because nothing else is required from the user to use it. Leaving it uncluttered makes sense. If you're making a music sharing/playback-site, then naturally this would require more interaction and more information, simply because browsing through and playing back music is a more complex task then asking the user for <random input> and replying with segmented pieces text.

That being said: hell yeah there is a lot of bloat in web services. :)

I wouldn't recommend jumping on the last.fm music manager wagon yet. it's unfinished, it's a mess and it's crap. they launched it months ago but are still tinkering with some obligatory basic options, like the possibility of deleting your damned artist/label.

last.fm is also having trouble with artists sharing the same name, something which was quite obvious from the start, but what they haven't bothered to solve. that problem should've been solved before lauching the half-assed artist royalty program.

so fuck last.fm.

at least last.fm can speak the truth:
http://www.last.fm/music/Nelly+Furtado/_/Do+It

:D

I think each service will always have its own problems. I think that eventually the Internet will come to more specialized, but less bloated features.
For example, we are used to leaving comments. If we see something that triggers our emotions - be it love or hate - our hand involuntarily reaches for the "Leave comment" button. On Disc Shelf you don't have that. Why?
Well, the question is well answered in the FAQ, but it also has a very interesting shift there: if you really want to contact the author and not just say smth along the lines of "Ugh... cool" or "sux", you go to his profile and go to his homepage. Suddenly, a resource encourages attention to personal homepages (or MySpace accounts or whatever personal webspace you have). So the interaction is not centered on one site, which to me is a refreshing concept.
It is also useful.
Here is a live example: I just posted on forums about this guy, Alexander Blu. He posted some great music on Disc Shelf and I wanted to contact him, so I looked at his DS profile and went to his homepage. There I found not only his bio, but also that he produces VST plugins and I could download those plugins and try them out. Would I get such useful info if all I could do was leave a comment "me like yer album"? I don't think so. And if he would answer, his answer would be as informative as "thx".

So what I am saying that even if DS was 100% like Last.fm (which it isn't) a different take on the same functionality is not such a bad idea.

You're quite true about the comments.
What really bugs me on nowadays website is the "add friend" stuff. It's so fucking GAY. Most people will add you in desperate hope you'll listen to their songs and say they rock. I even got adds followed by very nice messages... asking about dates in my hometown.. WTF... i'm not a fucking agency.