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Fuck you all, I'm going to bed.

i'm not sure gargaj was actually locked out of dev, his words might just be refering to a temp lack of access. or so i would still hope to believe at this point. i think the only person which can block gargaj out of pouet dev would be redhound, and i fail to imagine how he would move so quick when contacted by analogue, if that happened to be the case. the other possibility is gargaj decided to call it himself quits, in which case he's being a dramatic emo and should really not. even i grew out of it ffs. eitherway, if there is need of some mediation to resolve this conflict, i'd like to help. i feel somewhat responsible being the one who moved pouet from ones hand to the other. and i'm quite sad at watching all this escalate into flamewar drama mode where to me it seems like it could easily be compromised and resolved with a couple sessions on skype. :S

dfox: feature request.. play honk.wav when clicking on pic!

ps: there's ssh -> passwd, and changing a mysql password isnt that hard either. but on a higher level - why would i ragequit after 5 years invested? you know me better than that. and yeah, there should be communication. like someone explain what was so abhorrent in my (absolutely compromising) proposal of doing my job to deserve a cold ejection without a notice, explanation, or consideration towards what i considered here to be the majority opinion.

but hey, you don't have to believe me: https://twitter.com/pouetdotnet/status/331461564643307521/photo/1 (gloom made this, i was on my way home)

so theres one pouet user on the scene.org server and whoever has access and feels like it can do a passwd and lock the others out? ouch.

I'll paste this again:
"your code is welcome if you are giving up your ownership over it."

You guys can understand that I don't want pouet to ever depend on 1 person.

For the credentials changes, I got scared for pouet's data given the reactions. You don't need the live DB to continue your dev anyway.

analogue: what are you afraid of exactly? that gargaj deletes the site? come on...
this is just a mere display of power and the exact opposite of the goals you stated yourself at the beginning of this thread.
grow up.

and currently YOU are that 1 person, or at least behaving as such. good thinking, sherlock!

Unless, of course, that person is...

analogue: Who in their right mind would try to destroy the pouet live db? How old are we? 5? Also - don't you have backups? ;)

Well I wouldn't be all too surprised if Gargaj pulled an "Exit stage right" after this, but I'm guessing that kinda was the point...

*random*

i still haven't found out what is this argument is about?

*shrugs* will monitor. ;)

analogue: i can understand your fears, but i dont think cutting gargaj off will solve anything, only inflame things further. now you will have the comunity against you even more.

please, can we all just take a deep breathe and swap emails with an open mind?

just hear what gargaj's plans for 2.0 development are instead of you telling him what you're doing. exchange thoughts on what makes sense and what doesn't. and figure out in what way his plans for 2.0 can be mashed with your current dev intentions. and you know, reach a compromise.

i still think kb's idea is a good one. i'd extend it to get both versions with their roadmaps on github and make a commitment to each other not to screw with the db or accept pull requests that will damage 2.0 dev before migration. people can choose to support one or the other. both will be available to public for fork and clone, making sure pouet will resist one way or the other whatever comes.

it's just a matter of talking and hearing what the others have to say first. and settling deadlines for things to progress. i'm sure you both worked on software projects with shitty team members before and you can make it work if you both give it a go.

please don't turn this into a shitfest. it's my baby too. :(

I could not for the life of me imagine any picture on the whole internet that would even begin to describe how big the WAT feels like after reading this.

Analogue, There's only one person so far who has done any deliberately destructive action on this site and congratulations, it is YOU. Now either get into your fucking skull that you can't just come back from the grave and expect everything and everyone to be like it was 2003 and completely ignore that for the last 10 years others worked hard to keep this site alive because YOU WERE TOO BUSY TO GIVE A FUCK, or you continue with shit like "hey, let's revoke the access of the one person actually knowing this site" (don't even try to pretend you still understand your old php mess) and play the new king, and the "mutiny" you fantasized about will be there way sooner than you might think. Because all those people you think are "the gargaj fanclub" are actually all seasoned demosceners with quite a rap sheet on this page, and quite a few of them also don't agree with Gargaj's stance on not opensourcing the 2.0 beta. But at least we can try to talk to him without him throwing childinsh tantrums like "IF I CANNOT HAVE IT, NOBODY CAN, I CAN'T HEAR YOU, LALALALALA" like you currently do.

Seriously, sort yourself the fuck out.

yeah, a baby both of you put up for adoption and then n years later claim you're its true daddy.

This.

W-o-w.

Maali: From what one can gather about the code quality, it feels more like the unloved should-have-aborted third-degree bastard cousin.

analogue: I thought the whole point of this thread was to collaborate more, not less...?

D.Fox: yeah, having no pouet would be so much better right now wouldn't it? please don't feed the trolls. -_-

Lets summarize this thread..

Pouet was started and developed by Analogue.
Ps went in to the pile-of-crap-code and started copy/paste code all over the paste.
Gargaj starts doing new stuff without deploying to pouet, still claiming dictatorship over the future of pouet.
Gargajs new code base is worth a shit in Analogues (and many others) eyes due to the lack of tough decisions needs to be done in a larger code base with multiple developers.
Pouet still runs the all analoge/ps developed crap code. A new update from Gargaj would probably not add any new features, just a little less dirty code.

Now. We are to feel sorry for Gargaj because he spent 5 years manipulating pouet into a censored pile of shit while working on his own agenda / development without taking any extra help. Surely you can do advanced projects open source from the beginning. You just cant do the sloppy job that Gargaj evidently did.

Again, lets feel sorry for Gargaj. He spent five years of his life solely working to get a new awesome site up! Horrible Analogue. We would be much better off without your stuff and you have no right to pouet! [...]

Please everyone just calm down. Please.