Deadline 2021: Re-United | October, 8th - 10th | Berlin, Germany
category: residue [glöplog]
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from Krill: [...] in the same vein (not looking at you, fancysneakers)[...]
Hehe, thanks, made me chuckle. I can think of someone in the scene who literally wears colorful fancy sneakers (which is awesome), but that's totally unrelated and offtopic :D
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from AxeL: The organizer can set up any kind of rules. If the majority of people disagrees and won't attend the event it's the end of the organizer. Simple as that.
Yes, absolutely. An event lives through its participants and on-site rules need to be chosen carefully in such a way that people are still interested in attending, and be able to enjoy themselves.
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It's your party, your rules, but is this kind of discrimination even legal in Germany? And what about medical privacy, are you allowed to ask for this kind of information?
Actually, that is exactly what the government is discussing right now here in Germany. Come autumn, politicians demand that non-vaccinated people be restricted in / stripped of their rights to participate in public spaces / events, at restaurants, cinemas, concerts and so on. They said they don't want to force vaccination upon citizens, but by disallowing them to take part in any social activities, this pretty much would mean the same thing. Whether or not and to what extend tested people will be exempted from these restrictions, I don't know. But free PCR testing for Covid is supposed to be phased out soon, so anybody refusing to get vaccinated now will have to pay a fee to get tested in the near future, every time they want to participate somewhere.
Being a party organizer myself, and having a very difficult time navigating the current situation in that specific regard, it makes me damn sad to read this thread. Ugh.
To the Deadline orgas: Keep up the spirit, and I'm sure you'll host an awesome party for the attendees! :)
To the Deadline orgas: Keep up the spirit, and I'm sure you'll host an awesome party for the attendees! :)
Requiring vaccination also gives guests the possibility to make an informed choice. Personally I wouldn't attend an indoor event with non-vaccinated people and if it wasn't a requirement, I'd know to stay away.
the thread shows perfectly why orgas take these measures, because they don't want to discuss things like in this thread ON SITE. :-)
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In this interview that was published 2 days before the final announcement for Deadline 2021, the Bundesjustizministerin, besides being an obviously awesome Scrabble word, mentions the possibility for venues/hosts to allow only vaccinated people. So I can understand why the Deadline team does not doubt the legality of this restriction.
Thanks for the interview. So with this "Vertragsfreiheit" in mind, would I be able to open a restaurant in Germany and not allow any Jews? I find this hard to believe.
Gabbie: Can you please fuck off, you piece of disgusting rotten shit?
I find it "interesting" that this thread is full of trolls who have never visited Deadline before, and never had the intention to, but are just trying to spoil the fun for others.
I find it "interesting" that this thread is full of trolls who have never visited Deadline before, and never had the intention to, but are just trying to spoil the fun for others.
Scamp, it's important to point out discrimination, and preemptive obedience to authorities.
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Gabbie: Can you please fuck off, you piece of disgusting rotten shit?
Let's lower the temperature a bit, shall we?
Speaking about tired narratives,
I'd really like to hear how cancelling this year's edition would be Sticking It To The Man, or even solve or improve anything for anyone.
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preemptive obedience to authorities
I'd really like to hear how cancelling this year's edition would be Sticking It To The Man, or even solve or improve anything for anyone.
"If I can't have fun, NOONE CAN HAVE FUN"
- Bifat, age 10
- Bifat, age 10
Maybe it would make sense to require vaccination pass for Pouet too :D
For once I find myself agreeing with Scamp!
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Quote:Yes, of course. The question is why this mitigation would have to go beyond a some kind of current social/scientific consensus - whatever is mandated by local law, in this case.But wouldn't it be in the organizers' understandable interest to mitigate those risks?
I think that depends on whether that mandate / consensus specifies the bare minimum or not. If it is the bare minimum, then I don't see the problem moving the bar higher and providing a better experience for - let's face it - the vast majority. From the organizers' perspective, requiring proof of vaccination is very little time and effort invested, for a very very considerable return of that investment considering the statistics of the situation.
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Gabbie: Can you please fuck off, you piece of disgusting rotten shit?
So can or can't I discriminate based on religion? Or race? Sex? It's a pretty straightforward question. You can be outraged about it but this is exactly the kind of ethics we are talking about here.
I suggest we move the general Demoparty-during-pandemic discussion here.
bifat: No, it's not. v3nom has explained his motives, and it's not about "preemptive obedience to authorities". There is no legal requirement to do make an event vaccinated-only, for an event the size of Deadline there actually are no legal requirements at all right now. And this doesn't change just because you repeat implying this. Also, even if it was the case: Nobody should be shamed for following the law.
v3nom has explained his motives, and this is getting ignored in this thread fully. Because this is just a bunch of trolls trying to shit on other peoples hard work.
bifat: No, it's not. v3nom has explained his motives, and it's not about "preemptive obedience to authorities". There is no legal requirement to do make an event vaccinated-only, for an event the size of Deadline there actually are no legal requirements at all right now. And this doesn't change just because you repeat implying this. Also, even if it was the case: Nobody should be shamed for following the law.
v3nom has explained his motives, and this is getting ignored in this thread fully. Because this is just a bunch of trolls trying to shit on other peoples hard work.
If Deadline really had the intent to reunite the scene, or to just keep it united, it should come up with something much better than widening gaps through discrimination. One possibility would be to set up an outdoor area for compos, so we all can gather there outdoors, have some beers, and watch the compos. Just an example. I haven't read anything like that in the announcement.
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widening gaps through discrimination
For real though, how many people are we talking about?
If you don't see a difference between religion/sex/race and handling a potentially deadly virus, I don't think anyone can help you, sorry. For everyone else this question has a pretty straightforward answer: "Of course not you giant nitwit".
kb, you sound tired. How deadly is it exactly? And outdoors?
Telling someone with a potentially deadly air-transmitable infection to stay away is not discrimination. It's sensible.
we're not here to answer your questions bifat. Just don't go Deadline, it's as simple as that.
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If you don't see a difference between religion/sex/race and handling a potentially deadly virus, I don't think anyone can help you, sorry. For everyone else this question has a pretty straightforward answer: "Of course not you giant nitwit".
So what is the difference? If I don't see it, please enlighten me. There are plenty of religious people who don't want to get vaccinated because of their religious believes. And it's not like the Nazi's didn't have a rational for discriminating Jewish people, it was all about "safety" and "cleanliness".
It's amazing to me how some people can preach "inclusivity" and "equality" on one issue and preach the exact opposite on another issue.
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There are plenty of religious people who don't want to get vaccinated because of their religious believes
So which religions exactly officially prohibit getting vaccinated?
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So which religions exactly officially prohibit getting vaccinated?
The Reformed Church in The Netherlands for example. "God beschikt (God disposes)"
Inclusivity doesn't mean being tolerant and accommodating of every dumb choice or opinion.