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Black And White Lies by one studio off
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screenshot added by tomaes on 2014-08-03 15:44:40
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release date : august 2014
release party : Assembly 2014
compo : combined demo
ranked : 1st
  • rulez 122
  • is ok 10
  • sucks 5
popularity : 2%
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  • rulez 0.85
alltime top: #333
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Single effect demo that lacked design. Hum.
Impossible to thumb down though.
added on the 2014-08-03 15:22:35 by numtek numtek
Like the style but I am surprised that it won.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:25:29 by gaspode gaspode
Good shit!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:28:03 by britelite britelite
Neat concept, swift execution, Nixon vectors. Instant winner. The end is a bit too drawn out though.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:28:14 by tomaes tomaes
Great design here!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:29:05 by ham ham
Elegant and "funny" design.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:32:08 by visy visy
What britelite said.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:32:59 by xernobyl xernobyl
Quote:
that lacked design

what
added on the 2014-08-03 15:33:52 by Gargaj Gargaj
Nice, one of my favorite in combo!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:34:38 by Marken Marken
What Gargaj said
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:35:24 by sm sm
asdf
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:36:39 by noby noby
Still miles ahead of the norm as far as design / direction / editing goes. The only thing that kinda annoys me still is the continuous use of word salads as filler.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:36:59 by Gargaj Gargaj
Cool demo
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:37:34 by BiTL BiTL
Quote:
what

Well, this.
added on the 2014-08-03 15:40:37 by numtek numtek
looks very nice!

Quote:
The only thing that kinda annoys me still is the continuous use of word salads as filler.

+1
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:46:03 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
love it, direction, style, effects, design, top notch! Are you fucking clueless and blind? no design? lmao.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:46:16 by dv$ dv$
awesome :D
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:47:14 by ferris ferris
Nice typography and effects. I didn't get the theme (if there is one) but it was still enjoyable!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:54:57 by fizzer fizzer
When I grow up, this is a demo I'd love to do :)
I have one question though, that QR Code resolves to "harrowhouse.com" - why? :)
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:58:47 by mog mog
this was pretty cool, but is there a video somewhere? the stream glitched during the compo
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:58:51 by blala blala
This is stylish, well-executed and has a proper concept - love it.

(side note: numtek: what the hell are you smoking? Jeez..)
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 15:59:59 by gloom gloom
What's the story behind not releasing this as CNCD or FLT+CNCD ?

Anyway after seeing it a couple of times loosing a bit of it's magic.

And those particles and some design we have seen them earlier in CNCD / FLT prods.

However Destop+Yolk active in 2014 is worth a thumb alone..

Only amiga made this possible ..... (and the demolition engine ofcoz ;)
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 16:04:03 by magic magic
Great entry, definitely the best in the compo!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 16:08:30 by firebug firebug
Professional design and direction.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 16:09:29 by Serpent Serpent
Yep, pro shit once again by the usual suspects. Nothing new really I guess, but as a whole this was my favourite Smash & co -demo in quite some time.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 16:12:56 by break break
yeah, great style and coherent design!
btw the best effect is a video cheat? :)
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 16:12:56 by Maali Maali
I like big particles and I cannot lie
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 16:13:35 by deadscene deadscene
Really not my taste. I have seen these effects too often (by Fairlight).
added on the 2014-08-03 16:32:57 by Cj Cj
Wonderful particle show, had tons of style with a very very very good track :)
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 16:33:08 by SaphirJD SaphirJD
I totally love this.
(It reminds me a bit 90's demodesign but with a shitload of maturity in every aspect.)

Brilliant.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 16:37:14 by wullon wullon
That was a nice surprise at the party. It's smash style particles but with good flow/music sync. To tell you the truth, I saw the group name and I was like oh surprise from new group, but now I see Smash is coder, hehe :)

But good, worthy winner for me.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 16:39:20 by Optimus Optimus
DO WANT
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 17:03:46 by abductee abductee
Mindblowing!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 17:15:43 by Nitro/Black Sun Nitro/Black Sun
simply a pleasure to look at
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 17:27:23 by Paralax Paralax
Nice, but already overrated.
Neither what I would call brilliant nor a killer demo.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 17:35:48 by las las
perfect
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 18:14:37 by MurphyEXD MurphyEXD
how wow !
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 18:21:41 by Manwe Manwe
I like big butts and I cannot lie!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 18:23:24 by Morden Morden
Really nice, in particular the title screen effect.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 18:33:35 by Hyde Hyde
O_o--b
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 18:33:46 by aha aha
not my cup of tea, but it looks extremely polished and very "professional" :)
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 18:59:59 by rez rez
Oh, my, god.
Becky, look at her butt.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 19:04:01 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
Nice winnerdemo
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 19:15:04 by Queen_Luna Queen_Luna
Nice. I'm curious, is most of the non-sync based input actually a video? I think I saw quite a bit of MPEG-artifacts in the particle-coloring...
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 19:17:41 by kusma kusma
Black and white, noise, shaking, randomness, technically nothing special.
sucks added on the 2014-08-03 19:29:03 by Alone_Coder Alone_Coder
Quote:
What's the story behind not releasing this as CNCD or FLT+CNCD?

I believe that the fact that you feel the need to ask that question is also the answer you seek.
added on the 2014-08-03 19:38:32 by gloom gloom
very good work lads, great atmosphere!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 19:39:04 by randomi randomi
Okish.
Plus for impacts and Tricky Dicky himself.
added on the 2014-08-03 19:41:20 by Emod Emod
Great Work Team!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 21:05:26 by jugi jugi
everything with nixon gets my vote
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 21:53:53 by thec thec
wicked style!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 22:08:09 by keito keito
Recycled stuff again and again, it is starting to be a bit boring, but demo has feeling, design and somewhat direction so I give you my thumb.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 22:37:32 by Trauma Zero Trauma Zero
Looks fekking rubbish on pootube and sadly I don't have a machine anywhere near powerful enough to run it in real time (or know anyone near by who has!). However, its wicked. Soundtrack in particular is rather stunning, who made it?
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 23:25:20 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
why not fairlight? the demo itself is quite artistic and ahead of its current time.
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 23:30:17 by Defiance Defiance
hey, gargaj, where was that effort/appreciation in the scene graph again? the one where these guys WERE the uncanny valley? :D
added on the 2014-08-03 23:36:07 by ferris ferris
Fantastic creative ideas!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 23:39:16 by TS-Labs TS-Labs
Astounding!
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 23:44:58 by Korguiq Korguiq
a real ♥ might land here if i reach the next 2^n =)
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 23:47:07 by HellMood HellMood
rulez added on the 2014-08-03 23:50:12 by rudi rudi
Great style.
Also, what gloom said in his second comment. It's kinda stupid to see that - without any fundament - smash is so far the only credited person for this demo on pouet on demozoo.
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 00:00:21 by Saga Musix Saga Musix
What las said. Good, very good, but a galaxy behind Numb Res. A weak thumb up anyway.
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 00:22:34 by AzzaroMWI AzzaroMWI
Cool particle stuff! Watching the stream and seeing the info card first and seeing a demo by "one studio off" coming up - I thought "WTF? a new group getting one of the last spots in the compo, this must be damn good debut...". Then after a couple of seconds of demo "Aha... This must be a good old Smash demo!" :)
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 00:38:20 by Sdw Sdw
Rocked on the stream, rocks on the youtube. I am sure it rocks on a PC too, as long as your PC rocks (mine does not).

This is not a "Numb Res". This is confused, a little angry and unfocussed. But the level of sophistication of the resulting imagery is such that everything else just pales next to it. I loved every second of it, so what if it won't replace _____________________ (place your favourite cncd/flt demo here).
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 01:33:37 by introspec introspec
This is a wonderful demo.
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 02:31:59 by Starchaser Starchaser
quite stylish and i usually hate b&w demos.
dope music! by yolk probably??
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 06:14:53 by kimi kandler kimi kandler
I agree on the "recycled" stuff is getting old. But this looks nice, a bit repetitive though. The whole composition has an awesome "film-like" production that I like.
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 06:51:20 by rasmus/loonies rasmus/loonies
Loved the style.

Solely credited to Smash here, so after all, he did more than fixed one bug as Truck told in the compostudio?
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 07:53:06 by Daddy Freddy Daddy Freddy
daFred: not sure if Smash really did anything, isn't he more of the hangaround type?

Great design and effect, conveys the message well.
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 08:48:09 by msqrt msqrt
Top class.
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 08:55:55 by jasuy jasuy
Excellent atmosphere, style, design - I love it. The end is a bit oddly timed, though. Apart from that, the pacing is ace.

Effect-wise it's indeed getting a bit old by now. I'm 95.272% sure there are technical subtleties and innovations I don't get, so I only say this as a viewer/consumer - but since I can't do better, I probably better shut up now. :)

In any case, overall an awesome demo with lots of interesting details.
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 10:33:23 by Kylearan Kylearan
What Gargaj said.
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 10:34:09 by Sesse Sesse
Certainly Eye and Ear candy. Expect this needs some out if this world hardware on steroids as even the YT video lags :P so hope some nice beem team at some random party who possess anabolic hardware will run this in a demoshow sooner than later.
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 12:40:14 by tFt tFt
Awesome!
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 12:40:17 by skirk skirk
Crashes my PC!!!
sucks added on the 2014-08-04 13:06:15 by Gadler Gadler
Even if based on earlier points-based effects, it's still a new effect, solid design, and a thoroughly enjoyable prod.
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 13:28:23 by hornet hornet
Finnish-demo-skool at ist best!
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 13:55:28 by zden zden
Sorry. Didn't catch me. I escaped it after 10 seconds of the main effect.
sucks added on the 2014-08-04 15:04:09 by Raven^NCE Raven^NCE
Good & Cool and sir mixalot reference is insta-thumb@!
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 17:15:43 by okkie okkie
massive stuff (again and again).
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 17:27:15 by nytrik nytrik
Competent effect, demo could have used some variation and some graphics. Greyscale and music made it duller than it might have been.
added on the 2014-08-04 18:44:11 by Photon Photon
Numb Res 2.0
added on the 2014-08-04 18:48:45 by durandal durandal
Fxbase.dll not found... fix ?
sucks added on the 2014-08-04 20:36:16 by bermudatatooine bermudatatooine
good
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 21:00:48 by yzi yzi
Brilliant I love this stuf
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 21:17:28 by u2 u2
Feels like a killer demo because its has cool effects and killer design! Motion and colors are spot on! Great job
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 22:00:52 by quisten quisten
Great idea for a "story" demo! Black and white works very well here, and it is obvious that you could add a lot of content in not much time.


Best effort/result ratio by a very large margin (just looking at the second ranked demo - shitloads more work for a much inferior demo!).
rulez added on the 2014-08-04 23:39:08 by Navis Navis
Navis: I'd ask what the story was but I must repair my sarcasm detector first and buy some popcorn! :D
added on the 2014-08-05 00:47:02 by Photon Photon
asmr
rulez added on the 2014-08-05 00:52:23 by provod provod
black and white forever.
rulez added on the 2014-08-05 02:46:01 by iks iks
I love it!
rulez added on the 2014-08-05 10:52:04 by Tess Tess
I liked it. Didn't love it, but it feels like another demo that will grow with more watching :)
rulez added on the 2014-08-05 15:16:27 by psonice psonice
too cheesy for me, but the visuals are definetly still nice
rulez added on the 2014-08-05 19:47:32 by toxie toxie
technically still impressive but already seen for a couple of times now. Contentwise it bored the shit out of me.
sucks added on the 2014-08-05 23:00:04 by Sir Sir
Quote:
(side note: numtek: what the hell are you smoking? Jeez..)

Samson tobacco with plastic filter tips. They kind of dampen the hard edges.
No THC though.

It is a single effect demo with vector graphics stolen from the internet. Sorry if I'm not lyrical. Maybe it is because I also failed to see any beauty in Numb Res? I appreciate the effort and codewise it is awesome, that is why I didn't thumbed this down. At the end it is just plain vectors that are getting blown up. Like in Panic, without the blowing up part.

I'm not a bad guy: I allow people to have a different opinion :p
added on the 2014-08-06 02:06:45 by numtek numtek
seriously, one of the best tracks i ever heard.
stellar stuff
rulez added on the 2014-08-06 21:45:54 by lovebox lovebox
Fairlight - When experimenting turns into absolute rulage!
rulez added on the 2014-08-06 22:11:13 by ɧคɾɗվ. ɧคɾɗվ.
Stylish
rulez added on the 2014-08-06 22:33:24 by superplek superplek
Superb! A well-deserved win!
rulez added on the 2014-08-07 10:23:25 by MaV0910 MaV0910
Awesome!
rulez added on the 2014-08-07 18:05:19 by Mystra Mystra
I never thought I'd see a demo like this ever again. To me it's a throwback to the timeless designs from 15 or so years ago. Especially the soundtrack made me fall in love, I didn't even dare to hope to hear something like this in a top-class demo ever again. There's a simple concept at play here that carries everything perfectly and even wraps around the visual style extremely well. The word salads are absolutely essential and not filler. Personal preferences aside, this is the perfect demo.

Simply amazing at the party, sitting in the back row (no neck pains!) right in the middle. Very smart choice for releasing this under a new name. If I had seen "Fairlight&Cncd" or something on the slide before this, I immediately would've watched this differently with annoying expectations in my mind. Instead I could just sink into it's voluptuousness and enjoy it to the fullest, kudos. It was an honour to compete and lose.
added on the 2014-08-07 22:35:03 by noby noby
Certainly "nothing new" but in this case that means it's still ahead of pretty much anything in the scene right now. Instead of complaining about that, make a demo about it and force Smash to spend another winter coming up with algorithms :)
rulez added on the 2014-08-08 11:28:20 by sagacity sagacity
nice looking particles and great soundtrack.
rulez added on the 2014-08-09 16:32:20 by psenough psenough
No go on my anicent, updated Windows XP Pro SP3 machine since it wanted DirectX 11. :P So, I had to watch its video capture. It was OK.
added on the 2014-08-09 19:15:11 by AntDude AntDude
Beautiful. Absolutely love it. Will add it to the long list of 'instantly classic' Smash demos
rulez added on the 2014-08-09 19:51:35 by Mtl Mtl
hm, didn't catch me at all.
still it was one of the better demos. piggy
added on the 2014-08-10 11:22:41 by seppjo seppjo
Artistically beautiful.
rulez added on the 2014-08-10 11:42:59 by CONS CONS
my gosh, design done right is amazing
rulez added on the 2014-08-10 12:24:59 by decipher decipher
rulez added on the 2014-08-11 09:18:18 by Gʀɪʍʍy Gʀɪʍʍy
particelary awesome! ;)
rulez added on the 2014-08-11 11:48:32 by cryer cryer
Humble prod with an outstanding level of quality.
rulez added on the 2014-08-11 16:33:33 by Zavie Zavie
I thought I'd wait a bit to comment, to see if any mysteries revealed themselves and make sure I didn't say anything wrong. Funny how smash hasn't said anything yet. I suppose the idea here was to prove they could win a compo even without any famous name or group attached to it (I mentally rearranged the letters of One Studio Off find a hidden name, like cncd fairlight orange :). I admire a self-challenge, like this or entering a 64k intro in a demo compo. But I'm disappointed to figure out who did it so easily. Predictable particle porn, grayscale vignette, and nonsense phrases. Actually, Smash could have just passed Demolition off to Destop and let him do the whole thing. That's just speculation though.

I can't really fawn over the black and white design scheme when it has been done
over and over and over again. But I guess it has an advantage in that you can't get the colors wrong. :)

I'm gonna thumb it up, because I like the demo and the music. They're professional demomakers, what can I say.
added on the 2014-08-11 17:18:11 by phoenix phoenix
rulez added on the 2014-08-11 17:18:28 by phoenix phoenix
You sweet liars.
rulez added on the 2014-08-11 17:27:05 by NokoNoko NokoNoko
cool
rulez added on the 2014-08-11 21:39:38 by spritus spritus
Damn pro.
rulez added on the 2014-08-11 21:50:52 by skan skan
haha runs slowly and crashes constantly on my rev compo machine!
rulez added on the 2014-08-13 02:35:09 by harism harism
professional demo makers, no doubt. the visuals are a bit generic for my taste.
extra praise for the music.
rulez added on the 2014-08-14 15:11:37 by a-move a-move
Quote:
I'd ask what the story was but I must repair my sarcasm detector first

Hope you got your popcorn ready:
It is a "story" demo of sorts. It lists lies. Bad lies or "white" lies, depending on which side of the polarity of black & white you want to examine the statement from.
Prominent example from the demo:
Nixon, when he uttered the immortal words "I'm not a crook" totally believed to be honest from his moral pole or at least spilling a harmless "white" lie for the press.
From the other pole of the moral compass it was an outright lie in a context of capital crime.

So no, no nonsense "text" in there; not even the Sir Mix-a-lot line :D
rulez added on the 2014-08-14 15:49:00 by d0DgE d0DgE
your comments are much appreciated!
rulez added on the 2014-08-14 22:02:14 by yolk yolk
id love to take credit for this, but i cant.
added on the 2014-08-15 01:24:24 by smash smash
Quote:
It is a "story" demo of sorts. It lists lies. Bad lies or "white" lies, depending on which side of the polarity of black & white you want to examine the statement from.

The word you are looking for is "concept"; This is a (high) concept demo. That is a story demo. :) (yes, I'm aware that in marketing circles everything is an "experience" and has to have a "story" to sell something, but that's not the context here.)
added on the 2014-08-15 09:15:06 by tomaes tomaes
Absolutely osssssssumm!
rulez added on the 2014-08-15 19:14:56 by rp^frstl rp^frstl
well done, guys
rulez added on the 2014-08-16 08:23:53 by Triace Triace
Quote:
id love to take credit for this, but i cant.

Smash: hm, why not? Usually sceners are happy to tell who did what, in the demo/nfo.
added on the 2014-08-17 22:37:51 by Photon Photon
Interesting style/design with a perfect execution.

Impressive!
rulez added on the 2014-08-18 20:15:30 by LLB LLB
I love how sharp the lighting is.
Not only the underlying technique is perfectly mastered, but you made it mean something.
Cooool!
rulez added on the 2014-08-18 20:37:37 by fra fra
I love the story and music. Technically impressive as well, but this will stand even years after the effects would wear (if they didn't already). I also like how many people did notice it has story, makes me somewhat more optimistic about mankind.
rulez added on the 2014-08-20 03:01:32 by Ped Ped
Trippy ! Very nice music ! :)
rulez added on the 2014-08-20 23:11:44 by Hexogen Hexogen
Thanks. I put it up on SoundCloud, can download it here: https://soundcloud.com/crankshaft/black-and-white-lies
added on the 2014-08-21 09:58:17 by yolk yolk
I mean DOWNLOAD here!
added on the 2014-08-21 10:00:56 by yolk yolk
;)
rulez added on the 2014-08-21 15:24:05 by leGend leGend
Awesome (as usually..). So beautiful - almost stopped me working on my own stuff.. Keep it up!
rulez added on the 2014-08-22 20:44:39 by nero nero
 
rulez added on the 2014-08-23 10:33:36 by v3nom v3nom
thumb.
rulez added on the 2014-08-26 12:56:02 by violator violator
I think there was 4 dudes working on this one. And surely Smash should be always credited - at least with 'Best Supporting Actor' -nomination :) - even if he was idly at home . It's his work of code anyway!
rulez added on the 2014-08-26 15:53:09 by mazor_ mazor_
Fuck yeah soundtrack, take all my money.
rulez added on the 2014-08-26 16:06:27 by __ __
ah dem guesstimates :) I wonder if two of them should have exactly same credits as well? dunno!
added on the 2014-08-26 18:49:51 by mazor_ mazor_
thank you mazor for clearing this up, I've been in the dark for so long now
added on the 2014-08-26 19:59:06 by yolk yolk
Quote:
Fuck yeah soundtrack, take all my money.


I'm now able to take your money: https://itunes.apple.com/album/black-and-white-lies-single/id913520781
added on the 2014-08-28 21:58:16 by yolk yolk
really high quality as always :)
rulez added on the 2014-08-30 13:31:03 by Gaia Gaia
amazing how such an outstanding amount of talented skills put into an extremely well crafted demo yields effectively complete boredom =(
added on the 2014-08-31 03:06:15 by T$ T$
Single effect but great one :)
rulez added on the 2014-09-15 12:35:12 by reality3D reality3D
just watched this in realtime on my GTX 970, runs smooth as silk @1080, and it looks so much cleaner in realtime as opposed to youtube, really nice demo.
added on the 2014-10-10 12:16:59 by keito keito
Pretty much a perfect demo from my point of view. Liked the music and the visuals. It may be "just one effect", but the whole thing is polished and put together so well that imo it is not boring at all.
rulez added on the 2014-10-10 13:34:16 by raer raer
Great visualizer ;)

Loved it, felt like it had the same kind of vibe as Only one wish. Cool stuff!
rulez added on the 2014-10-19 17:08:18 by stijn stijn
Great!!!
rulez added on the 2014-12-16 22:58:16 by Sir_Lucas Sir_Lucas
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rulez added on the 2014-12-17 02:06:34 by lug00ber lug00ber
CNCD + Fairlight = one studio off
rulez added on the 2015-03-23 08:05:24 by non-handled guy non-handled guy
BB Image love to see it again and again!!! ♥
rulez added on the 2015-04-07 20:01:01 by ewerybody ewerybody
nice!
rulez added on the 2015-05-17 17:33:49 by cer cer
I like it. Yet today. Nixon especially. But I like this more ; https://youtu.be/THRJAq-9rSk .

So. Does it meet scene standards if I need some 20 frames to render one scene frame with million+ particles on my crappy phone?
added on the 2015-07-01 07:12:11 by harism harism
Quote:
The only thing that kinda annoys me still is the continuous use of word salads as filler.


+1
added on the 2015-07-29 15:11:20 by distance distance
It's been 5 mins already, maybe her jaw dropped wide open finally?

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added on the 2016-03-01 06:41:01 by harism harism
Wonderful prod. Everything fits together, especially the soundtrack. Tech is alright. Theme is nice too, I like the minimalist style. Makes me wish I do the same in my own prods to make up for my lack of art sense.

I can fully understand why releasing as a unknown group though. Helps take away every single bit of bullshit associated with namevoting and enables a prod to purely stand on its own technical and artistic merits. Which every prod should. Scene politics should have zero to do with a prod. Favoritism gets nowhere and shouldn't exist.
rulez added on the 2016-03-04 10:13:19 by mudlord mudlord
@mudlord, I get your point, but can you seriously, honestly, start watching this and really not know whodunnit? It is a little pompous to say it, but it is just like when Bernoulli recognized that the anonymous solutions of his problems were actually done by Newton (we recognize the lion by his claw).
added on the 2016-03-04 10:21:18 by introspec introspec
When I watched it initially, yes, I had zero clue. Plus now it came out Smash did nothing apart from handing his framework to mazor and destop, so yes, genuinely I had no clue.
added on the 2016-03-04 21:56:52 by mudlord mudlord
One Studio Off ! (or CNCD & Fairlight)
rulez added on the 2016-05-28 05:12:16 by Omid Omid

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if this prod is a fake, some info is false or the download link is broken,

do not post about it in the comments, it will get lost.

instead, click here !

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