Function 2017 :: September 8/9/10 :: Budapest, Hungary

category: parties [glöplog]
Digimind: that's why i prefer freedos, but with freedos we're unable to put speaker sound to PA and stream. (btw your intro was simply awesome)
added on the 2017-09-11 15:24:41 by pasy pasy
What about f.e. virtualbox? Would that work?
added on the 2017-09-11 15:57:36 by reptile reptile
Wouldn't soldering a cable (with perhaps 1-2 resistors in between) from speaker port to let's say RCA jack work?
added on the 2017-09-11 16:03:32 by kb_ kb_
I totally agree with Digimind, due to speed reasons, the FreeDos-option should be always there. As far as I understood TomCat, his entry was running with FreeDos plus some adjustment on the system ? Why not use that also for the future or what kb_ says ?

For DosBox, if it's too much hazzle to use individuall config files, there could be the option to have a general setting on CPU-cycles for everbody the same. On the other hand I would recommend to use the DOS-Bos-Portable option. So everybody provides his own DOSBox-Portable with a config setting and you can just run that easily. It would be like a frontend for the entry. That's how me an Sensenstahl handed in our entries to Revision this year and that was quite flawless.

But as I said before the coders shoud then specify what they want when submitting their desired option a) Freedos or b) DOSBox(Portable).

...as without DOSBox we won't have Midi. As far as I know it doesn't work in general on FreeDos...or ? ...I'm no DOS expert at all...
added on the 2017-09-11 17:41:39 by Kuemmel Kuemmel
...as without DOSBox we won't have Midi. As far as I know it doesn't work in general on FreeDos...or ? ...I'm no DOS expert at all...

Well, you'd need an MPU-401 (or compatible) interface + synthesizer, which is what DOSBox is emulating.
Due to all the trouble since 2014 (Dosbox, Config, MIDI, and whatnot) i would be perfectly fine with ...

- just FreeDos, with PC Speakers allowed

... no matter what soldering is required for that, IF(!) it is unique and transparent for everybody AND is made clear in the rules beforehand. After all, it is quite easy to produce output with the PC speaker and requires only between 8 bytes and 64 bytes (simple sound / simple tune) and could lift the average level of tiny intros quite a bit.

I won't be mad if portable DosBox is allowed though, as that would make it possible to finally hear one of my MIDI tunes on a Function Stream =)
added on the 2017-09-11 18:23:47 by HellMood HellMood
so you not plan to visit us in near future, i'm a sad panda
added on the 2017-09-11 19:18:34 by pasy pasy
What i've done was simply unmute the PC speaker at the onboard mixer. No TSR, nothing in the memory. At the moment i've a hacked version of WSS only, but I'd like to make an universal tool till next Function... (or a bit sooner :)

(I'm also planing to patch DosBOX with PPro instructions...)
(I'm also planing to patch DosBOX with PPro instructions...)

As long as there is no super important game that requires them, I guess chances are pretty low you'll find that in an official build anytime soon.
re: sound from the PC speaker to the PA. Just mike up the compo machine. Problem solved. ;)
added on the 2017-09-11 20:23:07 by Zeal_ Zeal_
i almost wrote that Charlie was a PC speaker as he was politically correct. but i remembered he is more like an amiga speaker.

i haven't slept much.
added on the 2017-09-11 22:50:46 by nagz nagz
I'd like to use MIDI from DOSBox, but the default Microsoft Wavetable GS sounds pretty bad. I propose the Arachno soundfont that was optimized for late DOS games.
added on the 2017-09-12 00:25:15 by rrrola rrrola
where i can see video with night music set? i lost this link(((
It was annoying how adt was trolling me. So I had to have cut the video. Here is the seminar: https://youtu.be/V_ntnQKemWA and you can download the slides here: http://kaproncai.hu/abaddon/256b_seminar.zip
Aren't most laptops routing the PC speaker output to the soundcard automatically to avoid adding another speaker in already limited space? At least that's what happens on my Thinkpad here. Isn't using such a machine an option?
Three achivements for sizecoders since Function2017:

FASMD - Flat Assembler DOS IDE - Compile and run - inital value of AX/BX registers - FIXED

PentiumPro instructions patched for next Dosbox-X release
Here is a test util for PPro: https://github.com/ern0/ppro-tester

DOS tool for redirecting PC speaker sound to headphone

PulkoMandy: under windows rerouting the PC speaker to another sound output is normal, but under DOS I haven't met any PC which do this automatically
back to the 256byte compo topic,
after trying many things, this is my conclusion:

if you want the best performace
(high speed, pc speaker and pentiumpro instructions)
there are 2 good choices:

with an integrated VGA, boot from a Rufus formated USB memory!

otherwise, use vmware workstation with hardware virtualization...
(only the workstation pro has the strech to fullscreen option)

streaming PC speaker under native DOS:

(hires vesa modes work better under native dos than under vmware)