sport and art
category: general [glöplog]
I have been pondering the question: how demos sit between the human endeavors of 'sport' and 'art'.
It seems that a distinction is 'sport' has clear and commonly held definitions of both judgement and cheating. Judgement is performed by judges. Qualifying as a judge is well defined. Cheating is also defined. Today for a vocal group in the community the use of AI qualifies as cheating. In olden times, presumably there was a discussion on why ripped assets qualified as cheating.
In the case of 'art': judging is involuntary and unavoidable. cheating is incomprehensible.
I found Tom's interview on the Zine podcast interesting in exploring this perspective where he proposes a non voting-party. I think a non-voting party may be bias towards the 'art' interpretation of a demo.
It seems that a distinction is 'sport' has clear and commonly held definitions of both judgement and cheating. Judgement is performed by judges. Qualifying as a judge is well defined. Cheating is also defined. Today for a vocal group in the community the use of AI qualifies as cheating. In olden times, presumably there was a discussion on why ripped assets qualified as cheating.
In the case of 'art': judging is involuntary and unavoidable. cheating is incomprehensible.
I found Tom's interview on the Zine podcast interesting in exploring this perspective where he proposes a non voting-party. I think a non-voting party may be bias towards the 'art' interpretation of a demo.
Initially, I don't see it fruitful to compare demos to sport. If the scholastic art is judged by using votes (like it sometimes is in exhibitions), then it's probably no closer or farther from the sport than demos.
Cheating in the domain of a scholastic art is of course possible (especially if there's a competition or if there's a teacher giving grades) eg. by giving wrong information about work's creators, materials or methods.
What separates demos from many other forms of art might be its dual nature which includes both technical and aesthetic aspects as equally (or at least highly) important but separate: it's possible that a technical aspect of a demo is great while an aesthetic aspect is very weak – or another way around. In this sense demos may resemble architecture which also has a similarly separate aspects of aesthetics and usability.
However, if we accept that some demos are purely esthetic or purely technical and then it may be more difficult to come up with a coherent and integrative philosophical definition of the demo.
Somebody could make a counter claim now that also in eg. painting the technical aspect is important. But I would say it isn't. In the painting the technical side is clearly serving the end result and has no meaning comparable to a technical aspect in demos.
Demos do not need to be interpreted as "art". They are already art if we use such definition of the art which includes things like demos.
Cheating in the domain of a scholastic art is of course possible (especially if there's a competition or if there's a teacher giving grades) eg. by giving wrong information about work's creators, materials or methods.
What separates demos from many other forms of art might be its dual nature which includes both technical and aesthetic aspects as equally (or at least highly) important but separate: it's possible that a technical aspect of a demo is great while an aesthetic aspect is very weak – or another way around. In this sense demos may resemble architecture which also has a similarly separate aspects of aesthetics and usability.
However, if we accept that some demos are purely esthetic or purely technical and then it may be more difficult to come up with a coherent and integrative philosophical definition of the demo.
Somebody could make a counter claim now that also in eg. painting the technical aspect is important. But I would say it isn't. In the painting the technical side is clearly serving the end result and has no meaning comparable to a technical aspect in demos.
Demos do not need to be interpreted as "art". They are already art if we use such definition of the art which includes things like demos.
demoscene is judo
Not sport.
I would also add "craft" to it. The demoscene might be a blend of craft, art, and sport, depending on who you ask.
is the demoscene sports illustrated?
pouet is so deep these days.
pouet is so deep these days.
well uh, we had uuuh, that website with the pictures?
Quote:
Judgement is performed by judges. Qualifying as a judge is well defined. Cheating is also defined.
Public voting != Expert/jury voting
Also I don't think there is a problem with cheating, but rather that everyone has their own private rules what is even considered cheating (precalculated videos, 3rd party engines, AI assistance, stock images etc..).