What do you want a new Scene.org to be like?

category: general [glöplog]
I'd like a Pouet (same system) for graphics and music releases. I suppose musicians have Nectarine, but graphicians have nothing any more. I don't even know where to look for a comprehensive database of scene graphics.
added on the 2007-11-14 20:35:42 by Flunce Flunce
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added on the 2007-11-14 20:43:10 by superplek superplek
I second, third and fourth what smash said. I always wish for a place where sceners (in my case coders) share ideas. Maybe its a vain hope though. Is it just my impression or do sceners not like to share? Anyway such a forum would be great, if its at all possible.
added on the 2007-11-14 20:53:33 by auld auld
auld: Sceners just like to show off. Many ways of doing that. ;)

Anyway, less is more. Don't fuck up scene.org with millions of features.
added on the 2007-11-14 21:11:23 by doomdoom doomdoom
But, Scene.org would be the "serious, moderated and official" site, while Pouet [...]

Exactly. It's always a pro for party organizers to have a serious looking source for demoscene related stuff. No round edges, no semi-transparency, no idiots.
madenmann: I'm not saying that Scene.org should become Pouet 2.0, far from it, but I do think that a website can be serious looking and a professional without the "The-year-2001-45-degree-angle-graphic"-look that is so out of style it's sad. :)

The graphical design is really secondary - I want to focus on the features and the general layout. I think we have a lot of good ideas in this thread (SHOCKER!!111) already, but please keep the discussion going.
added on the 2007-11-14 23:54:45 by gloom gloom
Scene.org could remain the "page for outsiders." There's a need for a clean site to point to when you describe what the demoscene is. Just what Madenmann and Willbe said.

Pouet already works as a "demo watchers portal" imho, not that it's a very welcoming page that can help increase the demoscene's audience, but that's something to be solved by the people behind this site.

Imho there's also a big need for a "producers' portal" - something with tutorials/source code for beginners, place to seek collaborators/groupmates, internal forums/file sharing/SVN repository for groups; without the unmoderated pouet fluff. But if you want to try new stuff, why not experiment with it under a new domain?
added on the 2007-11-15 00:19:22 by Ger Ger
the only thing a programmer would need is a) creativity, b) a liking for demos and c) spare time.

there are more than enough resources out there to tell anyone everything they need. on any topic.
added on the 2007-11-15 00:24:05 by superplek superplek
Niels: ..but collecting, categorizing and rating them (plus adding actual human interaction to them) can't really hurt, can it? :)
added on the 2007-11-15 00:26:04 by gloom gloom
guess you're right about that. i mean it's sad to see people resort to virtual cancers like NeHe.
added on the 2007-11-15 00:27:34 by superplek superplek
Niels: NeHe made me the man I am today. :(
added on the 2007-11-15 01:03:21 by kusma kusma
kusma: see ;)
added on the 2007-11-15 01:06:13 by kb_ kb_
It makes me sad.
added on the 2007-11-15 01:23:52 by kusma kusma
To the people asking for Pouet-but-indexed-by-individual-authors / Pouet-but-with-arbitrary-tagging / Pouet-but-for-music-and-graphics, please be aware that Demozoo is meant to be exactly that. As it happens, right now it kind of... isn't, but it will be. Soon.

Now, given that Demozoo has not exactly been bursting with development effort in the last couple of months (and right now, you only have my word that I do intend to fix this situation shortly) I can appreciate that people might want to do an end-run around me and beat me to it. Just... as long as people know that there might be some duplication of effort there, mmkay?
added on the 2007-11-15 01:33:06 by gasman gasman
kusma: Don't be, your NeHe experience enabled you to cure cancer, remember?
added on the 2007-11-15 09:30:31 by gloom gloom
gasman: There might be some duplication in effort, but since this is an official Scene.org rewamp, doing it ourselves is sort of the point. :) Besides, Demozoo and Scene.org has quite different approaches (and goals) I believe. The tagging-stuff is not really the most important part of Scene.org v2, as far as I'm concerned.
added on the 2007-11-15 09:33:17 by gloom gloom
to clarify my last post on the hornet-like code dump/collection thing, here is how it looked like back than:

hornet example

maybe one could add some user comment thing to it or screenshots..
added on the 2007-11-15 09:56:42 by spike spike
gasman: knowing how lazy the scene.org devs are im sure we'll end up leeching the authors info from demozoo whenever we finally bother implementing all these things :P i would like for you to be more involved with this whole scene.org and pouet.net revamp discussion and planning, you certainly had a lot of good ideas on what to do with the lot, and like you said, no use to duplicate effort when it's avoidable. :)
added on the 2007-11-17 16:39:22 by psenough psenough
gloom: doesnt scene.org v2 include a pouet v2 too?
added on the 2007-11-17 17:03:42 by Gargaj Gargaj
gargaj: it does, and ps - I believe this whole excercise is to make sure the scene.org devs are _not_ lazing off (including bringing in more people)
added on the 2007-11-17 21:12:24 by gloom gloom
A better file-search system for productions like software rendered demos, windows-ports, hardware, if it has pixel/vertex shader or not, vidcaps, sourcecode, tools and etc in a well arranged and non messy manner. Another suggestion from me is the support for technical and aesthetic reviews of productions that finally members of the scene.org staff must accept before it gets available for the public.
added on the 2007-11-18 00:21:07 by Preacher Preacher
web 2.0
added on the 2007-11-18 00:51:32 by noouch noouch
Air conditioning.
added on the 2007-11-18 01:43:48 by doomdoom doomdoom
no trolls.
added on the 2007-11-18 01:50:44 by Preacher Preacher