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why not writing down here all the most awesome (uh) ideas you've ever thought about the demoscene (pouët excluded), demoparties, demo concepts, gfx effects, demo tools, code/drawing/music challenges, exotic hardware & platforms, etc. but never had the time/talent/motivation/relations to try to make them real...

maybe it could inspire some genius or unbusy students around, or help you to find some coworkers :) or else make you come down to earth (this is pouët nonetheless).

i've already thrown some ideas in former threads, i've been lately thinking of possibly new compo types to bring some fresh fun into parties, like :

- a cracking compo (hard to have it sponsored by intel or nvidia though ;D)

- a 'collaborative' compo even if the concept is hazy

- a 'new & improved' compo where groups can propose a harder better faster stronger version of a formerly released demo

- a VJ live act compo

- an 'interactive' compo where the purpose is to bring new funky input controllers to interact with your demos/games (like mic, webcam, 360 cam, bullet cam, wiimote, wii balance board, surface tablet, plastic guitar, etc.)


it would be also interesting to listen to the youngsters born in the late 80s/90s with the internets to know what sort of new compos they would like to see in a party.

i've also tought of a fast compo under the influence of some substance, but i'm not sure it would be legal in most countries, except maybe the Netherlands ;)

1. done before (eg. at Underground Conference and other small parties)
2. nooooooooooooo not again, kthxbye
3. done at various parties in the last years
4. would take FAR too long to set up and watch at any demoparty, but feel free to organize an event for this (oh wait, did I just suggest you should actually DO something? sorry.)
5. PPOT have won that one already
6. Already happening all the time
7. What exactly is the difference to any usual fast compo? ;)

Any other "idea" of yours that only explains how little scene knowledge apart from pouet.net (which is != scene) you have?

also in the french thread i've already told about a 'perfect sync demotool', as the synchronization between visuals and music is one the most important parameters to make a demo judged good by most.

but sync is usually done manually with not enough time before the deadline, the designer/coder is usually variabilizing one visual effect in accordance with the beats of the tune, or more rarely is the tune composed afterwards to match the visuals. There are also demos based on VJ systems or winamp plugins but the results are usually quite similar, with only one spectacular effect moving as a function of the spectral analysis...

that's why i've been thinking of an 'ultimate demotool' that would be both a musical sequencer and a visual sequencer, the designer would be the composer and inversely, each sound sample is associated to a visual effect/code, its pitch or loudness or bpm is associated to a parameter of this effect, and that way both visuals and music would be composed simultaneously and graphically, the result on bigscreen would be an explosion of concomitant effects, resonating to the least musical evolution, the perfect synch :)

some of you have probably already dreamt of it, is this wet dream attainable ? :>

kb: i wasn't taking about remix compos, but about the possibility for groups to enter a compo with an already released demo, with an improved or rearranged version. like Farbrausch entering a compo with Candytron final version.

can you please paste the link to the PPOT prod :)

the "perfect sync demotool" you describe is called a tracker. i believe the first one was made in 1989. demomakers have used the info in it for sync a tiresome amount of times (where only in very seldom cases, it was actually pretty)

however, that's not the perfect sync demotool at all, the results tend to suck. nevertheless, the perfect sync demotool has already been made, just nobody wants to tell you about it.

in other words, you're a moron. nothing's wrong with consuming but it's getting time for you to try MAKING something or SHUTTING UP. you so obviously have no clue what you're talking about, why do you want to underline that time over time?

Maybe he should team up with Magic and become a comic duo or smth.

skrebbel: that's a pity you don't read french because i had used the term tracker instead of sequencer in the french thread and i was flamed by kaneel because of that. oh well, i'll live =)

and no i won't shut up, if you find this thread lame then just skip it, i'm just trying to be positive instead of your usual negativity.

Zest: you're not positive, you're just not in touch with the reality of the scene, and the tools that actually use... does that make sense?

...the tools that are actually used...

and skrebbel i don't think you've really understood the concept of the tool i'm dreaming of, it would be both a tracker and a timeline authoring tool like the known demopaja, werkzeug, addict or stravaganza.

Skrebbel : consider yourself lucky, you did not have to read his clueless gibberish about demos in french as well :)

Okkie : now that's an idea for the box ! :)

guys you may be all 'leet' but it's striking how closed-minded you are when someone is thinking and acting different from your habits or standards.

if you could leave your corporate or veteran yokes for a while and think wildly outside the box, that would be a step ahead.

*sigh*... just sigh

Someone acting different from our habits ? You mean someone who never made any demos but who keeps opening clueless and redundant threads about how to make them ?

Seriously, go make one and come share your thoughts on how to make them once you actually have facts about that thing called DEMOMAKING.

geez keops why do you always feel attacked ? i've NEVER told anyone how to do a demo, i'm just throwing more or less stupid ideas around to question demoscene creativity, is that such a crime ?

or are you saying that demos have never elvolved since the very beginning or should never evolve any more ?

ayatollism is threatening :(

throwing ideas is easy
only accomplishing them is worthy.

Zest : nobody feels attacked here, we are just telling you for the 10th time that your suggestions usually make no sense and show how little you actually know about demomaking at all.

You want to make things evolve ? Go ahead, make a different demo, show us evolution. How hard is that to understand ? How many clueless thread with clueless suggestions will you open before you actually try and make a demo yourself to understand what you are talking about and why it usually doesn't make sense ?

Redundant clueless threads on pouet != evolution.

Really, start working on something and you will understand what we keep answering you over and over...

ok i know i shouldnt take the bait but i'm doing it anyway. zest, fuck you, i'm not closed minded (and neither are the others who've posted here so far). in fact, i daresay you are - you believe that things are possible or would work out that have been tried aplenty. your ideas aren't new or special, they're just bad. that's nothing to do with habits. it does with standards, i have to admit - your behaviour is below my standards.

let me illustrate it with examples from a few other "scenes" even you should understand the workings of. what you think is going on:
LEO: guys! we can make machines that fly! look, i've made drawings!
THE OTHER ITALIANS: yeah sure. and camels speak greek. keep going, leo.
LEO: but! but! you're just too closed minded!!

however, what's going on in fact is:
VILLAGE IDIOT: guys! you should all paint on water instead of canvases! it'll look cool in the wind, with all the ripples!
ACTUAL PAINTERS: eh, yeah sure mate. the paint wouldn't stick, you know. here's some candy.
VILLAGE IDIOT: but! but! you're just too closed minded!!

I planned a 4 paragraph reply with various pro's and cons on this subject matter.

I decided to not post it and post a dirty word instead! (because I'm all edgy 'n shit)

So here it comes..

poop

Feels good man!

haha! :-) he said poop!

actually, you could paint on something waterproof and put it under a highly refractive liquid.

yah let's start a flamewar again and again :(

keops you've apparently missed the fact that many scene tools (the scene in its large meaning, not only the demoscene) have emerged from more or less private web boards and threads, not only from the closed mind of a person or a small group.

and take your familiar example, how many people are working and *debating* together to produce the same game, how many meetings have they done, and aren't there people (usually your bosses) who 'only' think about the gameplay and the technical evolutions, who design the game only in their minds and on papers and organizational charts, without writing any code or modelizing any 3d ?

technologies are getting more and more complex, the time needed to pause and think is lacking, but internet links people very easily even if they don't know each others, so why wouldn't the emerging distributed and decentralized teamwork hit the demoscene too ?


and keops it may not be your own case but please think beyond it, some big groups now give a lead designer the responsability to design the demo besides the traditional coder and the musician, because they just aren't enough anymore.

and look at the most creative group ever, Farbrausch, they have broken the usual standards of a demogroup (like a limited number of active persons) by becoming like a collective, and by publically releasing their internal tools. Like many other groups of course, but FR is the most representative open group imho, while keeping themselves leet and with high standards.

They have welcomed haujobb veterans, they aren't afraid of releasing minus prods or 'different' prods, trying weird art concepts (like visualice's prods) or jokes (like menschenquellen) or sole code ideas (like ryg's momentum).

They wouldn't have achieved such a wild palmares if they had kept themselves to their original members, no matter how genius they are. They had to find ideas outside.


i dream of a demo that would emerge from a pouet thread :p