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• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
• It's not about "my software", for the third time now; and it's not just about software. That third point does not really make any sense at all really, more profit means better (financial) prospects for the future.
  
  About the second part of your rant; you might just be right about it being a good approach to evade piracy (I still don't see your argument why it would make it any better though..), but I really guess you're bypassing the fact that service, support (two things often seen as the 'forte' of the open-source model) and online facilities are only viable to a certain extent, when it comes to the offering of entertainment products; and then I haven't even considered the actual meaning of an entertainment product yet. The productions costs and income generated through sales simply can not be replaced by additional service. As soon as the service loses the additional aspect, you're not selling a standalone entertainment product; which is pretty important.
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-20 23:32:49
• intro Atari ST TS3 by The Beasts Crew [web]
• bad taste is back in town :)
  
• rulezadded on the 2004-01-20 23:15:44
• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
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  I think having this kind of discussions here is totally redundant, especially in the comments for an executable that does just not deserve to be called demo or intro.
  

  
  
  It's "these kinds of discussions" for starters, and we can make that decision for ourselves, thank you.
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-20 22:58:48
• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
• i'm just getting tired of kids (or older jobless hangarounds) who havent seen the ways of the world yet ;)
  
  by the way, "maktone", i'll tell you a secret: it's actually possible to overthink your opinion before bringing it in a *normal* way :)
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-20 22:55:52
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  plek, i guess u would eat shit for money..
  

  
  
  Luckily, I can make a living another way.
  
  
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  there is other stuff in life except money!!
  

  
  
  I must certainly think so, yes.
  
  
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  but if it was possible to do as jesus did with the bread and wine..
  

  
  
  Tell me, you religious son of a bitch (just making assumptions based on nothing.. I'm from the U S of A, right?), what *did* "Jesus" do with the bread and the wine?
  
  
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  i don't c what the problem is for the bakery.. nothing gets erased by copying something..
  

  
  
  The whole idea is that you are profiting from a product that has been made by people who have to earn a living and other resources that can not just "be copied". It's how the system works these days; when using an argument like that, I could advise you to think about possible consequences first. But hey, you're probably too elite for that, right? Products come in various ways; a bread, a cab ride, an attorney's services, a pack of batteries, a piece of software, some music..
  
  
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  i bet u are from the us? told from early age, the more money u have the more successfull you are.. bullshit!!
  

  
  
  I'm Dutch, and people didn't talk about money all that much actually.
  
  
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  and laws? there is no law... laws are there to be broken..
  

  
  
  There is *no* law? Uhm, so, basically, I could walk out of the door and shoot someone through the head? I could go for a drive in my neighbour's car? I could hit someone to the back of his head with a stick and rape his wife? That's great to hear man. Thanks.
  
  
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  my god.. haha you are pathetic :)
  

  
  
  Invert that and you'll be closer to the truth, son. (<- Note the sarcasm, you might not spot it.)
  
  
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  my point was that just because something is outlawed doesnt mean it's "wrong"
  

  
  
  Oh sure, I agree. You don't seem to understand the whole point behind (economical) regulation and systems though, but that's okay. Besides this,
  
  
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  like maktone said "laws are there to be broken", how else are we going to progress? :)
  

  
  
  In the many centuries that have passed, theft of a production funded or owned (through whatever means possible) by someone else remains outlawed. And that is for a reason; you shall not take what is not yours; the ease of doing it anyway is no argument in favor of this.
  
  
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  the production of information is not the information itself. if i steal bread from a baker then his/her production itself is lost. but if i, as you put it, "steal" his or her information by copying it, there's never really any work lost.
  

  
  
  The production, or "information" as you put it, is not yours to be utilized without paying up to compensate the investments that have been made in order to produce it. When will you guys learn that software development, just like making movies and producing music, is *not* free, and is a product people sell in order to make a living off.
  
  
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  if you tell children a story and they then tell it to their own children when they grow up, is that piracy too?

  
  
  Things such as stories are and can certainly become cultural posession. If you could play a game, memorized it, and reproduced it yourself (and by that I mean by yourself, not by taking an original copy and copying it), that would be perfectly legal. The same goes for stories you might have memorized.
  This is not against any laws. It would be against the law to make money through something produced in this manner; but only in countries where there might be a patent pending on the intellectual good.
  But we're dealing with something fundamentally different here.
  
  Do your homework before trying to make a smart point.
  
  
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  didnt see the intro yet but i must say.. dipswitch has leading.
  plek+kusma+whomever: you suck.
  

  
  How *sad* PS, you turn out to be the derailed hippie I thought you were. The only thing Dip & Co. "have leading in" is clear intellectual discapability. I've had a *lot* of discussion on this topic on several other occasions, and I've heard a shitload of arguments that made more sense on their own than what you guys have been uttering here alltogether. Please, *think* before you speak, and evaluate the impact that your arguments would have on the practical situation as it is.
  
  But hey, you're dumb derailed shortsighted fucks alltogether, that's what this doomed (according to Mr. Intellect 2004 Dipswitch) subculture is about, right?
  
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-20 22:46:23
• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
• Comparing retarded racial and sexual matters with a simple thing called property is a little off the scale..
  
  On very important thing *not* to forget: The production of "information" representing property spread through different forms of (digital) media is not something that comes for free. People demand quality, people demand entertainment; and someone has to invest time and resources and thus get paid to do it. The only solution to keep this up is to protect and sell the property; your local bakery doesn't supply your daily bread for free either. It's essentially the same thing.
• isokadded on the 2004-01-20 18:12:08
• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
• "ffs no mather if it's moraly "wrong" or not piracy is Not stealing. if i copy your software you dont loose it do you?"
  
  According to (inter)national laws, copying software that, in it's unmodified form, is (intellectual) property of a developer violates various laws; the same goes for the modification of such software. Information is a subjective term; and your freedom stops at the moment it violates someone else's.
  
  All that aside, i'm not blind and I don't judge people who copy all kinds of (digital) media all that hard; it's just that I can't stand those who will claim that it is correct and morally sound behavior: it simply is *not*. Besides all that, pricks writing lousy installers, ripping CD/DVD images, coding mediocre presentations and in general spreading property that ain't theirs don't deserve any respect at all. A stick in the face would be all they should get.
  
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-20 17:28:18
• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
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  Should I give my son electric chair if I found him with a pirated copy of windows ?
  

  
  
  In a civilized society, nobody gets his ass thrown against the back of such a chair. Next to that, the comparison to rapists and murderers was made purely to emphasize the fact that some things are of a persistent nature, as opposed to cultural phenomena. Now I advise *you* to actually *read* and *understand* prior to reacting.
  
  The whole idea is that people always get pissed off and will engage in "discussions" like these, which is the whole point in fueling the fire, as it were.
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-20 17:16:06
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• it can all be summed up to one single line: BREAKING THE LAW IS NOT COOL; and *that* is my point :)
  
  *fuels the fire* !
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-20 14:02:51
• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
• i'm nowhere near xbox-only ;)
  
  but all that crap aside, i'm against any form of piracy; kids think leeching movies, music and games these days is 'just plain normal' - even parents condone it like it hasn't got anything to do with being a criminal offense. oh sure, the old "warez scene" was probably a cosy bunch of hippies alltogether, but that doesn't make the actual act less wrong.
  
  and don't start giving crap like 'a demoscener should be able to use 3DSMAX for free' please.. -> realise it, you do NOT have the right. simple as that. "but we're not making profit" -> indirectly you are. i'll have to pay for my food too you know.
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-20 14:01:12